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Date Obligated Date Spent Street # Street $ Obligated $ Spent Program Inc Activity # Notes
6/25/2009 7/22/2009 723 Tenth $4,959.00 $4,959.00 401 Demo Completed 7/14/2009
6/25/2009 8/4/2009 214 Young $7,200.00 $7,200.00 401 Demo Completed 7/27/2009
8/5/2009 8/5/2009 1810 Columbia Ave $175.00 $175.00 403 Title work
8/5/2009 9/16/2009 624 Moore $7,800.00 $7,800.00 402 Demo Completed 9/10/2009
8/5/2009 8/25/2009 1317 Woodlawn $8,891.00 $8,891.00 402 Demo Completed 8/21/2009
8/5/2009 9/4/2009 1120 Garfield $5,350.00 $5,350.00 402 Demo Completed 8/26/2009
8/5/2009 8/18/2009 1903 Casper $6,994.00 $6,994.00 402 Demo Completed 8/13/2009
8/13/2009 8/13/2009 624 Moore $175.00 $175.00   402 Title work
8/13/2009 8/13/2009 1317 Woodlawn $175.00 $175.00 402 Title work
8/13/2009 8/13/2009 3008 Omaha $175.00 $175.00   402 Title work (Revised/moved to Admin - see Admin Tab 9/17)
8/18/2009 8/18/2009 1117 Young $175.00 $175.00   404 Title work
8/18/2009 8/18/2009 403 Baltimore $175.00 $175.00   404 Title work
9/4/2009 9/4/2009 527 Baltimore $7,250.00 $7,250.00 403 Demo Completed 9/1/2009
9/4/2009 9/4/2009 830 Sixteenth $9,740.00 $9,740.00 403 Demo Completed 9/1/2009
9/4/2009 9/10/2009 1810 Columbia Ave $7,300.00 $7,300.00 403 Demo Completed 9/10/2009
9/4/2009 9/16/2009 1425 Oxford State Rd $4,998.00 $4,998.00 403 Demo Completed 9/10/2009
9/8/2009 9/8/2009 403 Baltimore $7,130.00 $7,130.00 404 Demo Completed 9/3/2009
9/8/2009 9/22/2009 814 Fifteenth Ave $6,124.00 $6,124.00   404 Demo Completed 9/10/2009
9/8/2009 9/22/2009 1117 Young $6,984.00 $6,984.00   404 Demo Completed 9/15/2009
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 214 Young $75.69 $75.69   401 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/04/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 723 Tenth $63.73 $63.73 401 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/20/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 624 Moore $63.75 $63.75 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/21/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1903 Casper $63.75 $63.75 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/22/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1120 Garfield $63.75 $63.75 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/23/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1317 Woodlawn $63.75 $63.75 402 Demo Program Del for Skip7/23/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1903 Casper $37.84 $37.84 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/31/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 624 Moore $37.84 $37.84 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/31/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1120 Garfield $37.84 $37.84 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/31/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1317 Woodlawn $37.84 $37.84 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 7/31/09
9/11/2009 9/11/2009 1810 Columbia $75.69 $75.69   403 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/04/09
9/17/2009 9/17/2009 3008 Omaha -$175.00 -$175.00   402 Title work charge moved to Admin due to being demo'd by owner
9/18/2009 9/22/2009 232 Park St $175.00 $175.00 404 Title work
9/18/2009 10/6/2009 232 Park St $8,364.00 $8,364.00 404 Demo Completed 10/01/2009
10/15/2009 10/23/2009 115 Crawford St $6,124.00 $6,124.00 405 Demo Completed 10/22/2009
10/15/2009 11/18/2009 2106 Pearl St $3,994.00 $3,994.00   405 Demo Completed 11/2/2009
10/15/2009 11/18/2009 2007 Pearl St $3,994.00 $3,994.00 405 Demo Completed 11/2/2009
10/15/2009 11/18/2009 1508 Taylor Ave $5,998.00 $5,998.00   405 Demo Completed 11/4/2009
10/15/2009 11/2/2009 2011 Linden Ave $4,385.00 $4,385.00   405 Demo Completed 10/26/09
10/15/2009 11/2/2009 2100 Grand Ave $5,852.00 $5,852.00   405 Demo Completed 10/28/09
10/15/2009 10/23/2009 215 Baltimore $7,780.00 $7,780.00 403 Demo Completed 10/21/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 723 Tenth $75.96 $75.96   401 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/10/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 624 Moore $75.96 $75.96 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/10/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 624 Moore $37.98 $37.98 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/11/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 1120 Garfield $113.94 $113.94 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/11/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 1903 Casper $113.93 $113.93 402 Demo Program Del for Skip 8/12/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 830 Sixteenth $151.91 $151.91 403 Demo Program Del for Skip 9/9/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 403 Baltimore $151.92 $151.92 404 Demo Program Del for Skip 9/10/09
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 1425 Oxford State $151.92 $151.92 403 Demo Program Del for Skip 9/11/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 814 Fifteenth $151.92 $151.92 404 Demo Program Del for Skip 9/12/2009
10/23/2009 10/23/2009 1117 Young $151.92 $151.92   404 Demo Program Del for Skip 9/15/2009
11/23/2009 12/1/2009 604 Yankee $175.00 $175.00 406 Title work
11/23/2009 12/1/2009 2302 Woodlawn $175.00 $175.00 406 Title work
11/23/2009 12/1/2009 1909 Henry $175.00 $175.00 406 Title work
11/23/2009 12/1/2009 1721 Sheffield $175.00 $175.00 406 Title work
12/1/2009 12/1/2009 604 Yankee $103.00 $103.00 406 Obl & Spent warranty deed prep & recording
11/23/2009 11/23/2009 1909 Henry $5,450.00 $5,450.00   406 Demo Completed 11/19/2009
11/23/2009 11/23/2009 1721 Sheffield $4,987.00 $4,987.00   406 Demo Completed 11/19/2009
12/1/2009 12/1/2009 527 Baltimore $151.37 $151.37 403 Demo Prog Del for Skip 9/20/2009
12/1/2009 12/1/2009 1810 Columbia $151.37 $151.37 403 Demo Prog Del for Skip 9/21/2009
12/1/2009 12/1/2009 232 Park St $189.21 $189.21   404 Demo Prog Del for Skip 10/1/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 604 Yankee $4,938.36 $4,938.36   406 Required delinquent taxes paid as a result of acquiring property for demo
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 2302 Woodlawn $6,625.00 $6,625.00   406 Demo Completed 12/8/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 215 Baltimore $151.37 $151.37 403 Demo Prog Del for Skip 10/21/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 115 Crawford St $189.20 $189.20   405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 10/23/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 2100 Grand Ave $151.37 $151.37 405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 10/28/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 2011 Linden Ave $151.37 $151.37 405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 10/26/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 2106 Pearl St $151.92 $151.92 405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 11/02/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 2007 Pearl St $151.92 $151.92 405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 11/02/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 1508 Taylor Ave $151.91 $151.91   405 Demo Prog Del for Skip 11/04/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 1909 Henry $151.37 $151.37 406 Demo Prog Del for Skip 11/23/2009
12/8/2009 12/8/2009 1721 Sheffield $151.37 $151.37   406 Demo Prog Del for Skip 11/24/2009
12/31/2009 604 Yankee $848.46 406 Buter County Treasurer reimbursement for overpayment of taxes
12/30/2009 2106 Pearl St $500.00 405 Sale of 2106 Pearl Lot to Gail Long for $500
12/30/2009 2011 Linden Ave $500.00 405 Sale of 2011 Linden Ave Lot to Gary Hall for $500
1/5/2010 1/5/2010 1509 Forest Ave $5,390.00 $5,390.00   407 $1848.46 paid from PI. Demo Completed 12/13/2009
1/7/2010 1/7/2010 1325 - 1329 Central Ave $200,000.00 $83,403.55   408 Acquisition cost for 1325 Central necessary for demo project
1/12/2010 1/12/2010 604 Yankee $9,603.00 $9,603.00 406 Demo Completed 1/5/2010
1/12/2010 1/12/2010 715 Seventh $175.00 $175.00 407 Title work
1/12/2010 1/12/2010 2301 Wilbraham $3,338.54 $5,187.00 407 Demo Completed 1/11 - Less was obligated than cost b/c of PI spent for 1509 Forest
1/12/2010 1/12/2010 2810-18 Verity Parkway $132.00 $132.00 407 Rekey required to secure building for prepping for demo
  1/21/2010 2007 Pearl St     $500.00 405 Sale of 2007 Pearl lot to Joseph Brown for $500
1/28/2010 1/28/2010 1504 Penfield $6,840.00 $6,840.00   407 $500 paid from PI. Demo Completed 1/21/2010
1/28/2010 1/28/2010 715 Seventh $6,900.00 $6,900.00   407 Demo Completed 1/15/2010
2/10/2010 2/10/2010 813 Sixteenth $4,984.00 $4,984.00   409 Demo Completed 1/28/2010
2/10/2010 2/10/2010 823 Seventeenth $1,483.00 $1,483.00   409 Demo Completed 1/28/2010
2/10/2010 814 Fifteenth $500.00 404 Sale of 814 Fifteenth to Pepper Woffard (neighbor)
2/18/2010 2/18/2010 1909 Woodlawn $6,000.00 $6,000.00   409 Demo Completed 1/28/2010
2/18/2010 2/18/2010 408 Baltimore $455.00 $455.00 409 Asbestos survey
  2/18/2010 115 Crawford St     $150.00 405 Sale of demo'd lot to Steve Bohannon
  2/18/2010 2100 Grand Ave     $150.00 405 Sale of demo'd lot to Tina Wilson
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 604 Yankee $1,326.36 $1,326.36   406 Past taxes due from acquisition
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 604 Yankee $28.11 $159.14   406 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 12/26/2010. $131.03 paid from PI
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 1509 Forest Ave   $159.14   407 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 12/26/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 2301 Wilbraham $159.14 407 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 12/26/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 1504 Penfield $275.25 $228.48 407 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 1/9/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 715 Seventh   $228.49   407 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 1/9/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 813 Sixteenth $229.01 $229.01   409 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 1/23/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 823 Seventeenth $229.01 $229.01 409 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e 1/23/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 1909 Woodlawn $229.02 $229.02 409 Demo Prog Del for Skip p/e/ 1/23/2010
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 408 Baltimore $1,200.00 $1,200.00 409 Asbestos Abatement @ 408 Baltimore
3/9/2010 3/9/2010 408 Baltimore $7,914.00 $7,914.00   409 Demo Completed 3/4/2010
  3/19/2010 1508 Taylor Ave     $72.16 405 Refund of Taxes paid on 1508 Taylor and 2100 Grand
  3/19/2010 2100 Grand Ave     $72.16 405 Refund of Taxes paid on 1508 Taylor and 2100 Grand
4/14/2010 4/14/2010 408 Baltimore $141.13 $141.13   409 Demo Prog Del for Kyle p/e 3/6/2010
1/7/2010 5/28/2010 1325 - 1329 Central Ave   $107,587.50   408 Demo completion
6/23/2010   1325 - 1329 Central Ave -$9,008.95     408 Adjusted obligation amount to actual amount spent
8/19/2010 8/19/2010 606 Crawford St $12,075.00 $375.00 410 Obl of Demo Cont & legal fees to purchase 606 Crawford from State
8/19/2010 9/2/2010 324 Yankee $9,151.58 $930.00   410 Obl of Demo & paying for the asbestos survey
8/19/2010 9/2/2010 606 Crawford St   $28.00   410 Recording fee for deed
9/3/2010 606 Crawford St $28.00 410 Obligation of additional funds for recording fee
9/3/2010 324 Yankee $2,440.42 410 Obligation of additional funds for demo & asbestos survey/abatement
8/19/2010 10/11/2010 606 Crawford St   $11,700.00   410 Demo completed 10-6-10. Additional $1,100 owed will be paid upon receipt of PI
9/3/2010 11/29/2010 324 Yankee   $10,662.00   410 Demo Completed 11-24-10
  3/14/2011 1508 Taylor Ave     $1,167.70 405 Refund of Taxes due to exemption filed ($702.60 CDBG PI & $574.92 HOME PI)
n/a 5/31/2011 206 Garfield   $175.00   411 Title exam
n/a 5/31/2011 522 Baltimore $175.00 411 Title exam
n/a 5/31/2011 652 Auburn $175.00 411 Title exam
n/a 5/31/2011 2306 S. Sutphin $175.00 411 Title exam
n/a 5/31/2011 411 Yankee   $175.00   411 Title exam
n/a 5/31/2011 206 Garfield   $195.00   411 Asbestos survey
n/a 5/31/2011 522 Baltimore $566.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 5/31/2011 652 Auburn $510.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 5/31/2011 2306 S. Sutphin $542.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 5/31/2011 411 Yankee   $856.00   411 Asbestos survey
n/a 8/8/2011 318 Garfield   $11.34   411 Lock to secure property
n/a 8/23/2011 210-212 Vanderveer   $175.00   411 Title
n/a 8/23/2011 206 Garfield $23,088.00 411 Demo completed 8-22-11
n/a 8/23/2011 1309 First $175.00 411 Title
n/a 8/23/2011 1206 Calumet $175.00 411 Title
n/a 8/23/2011 1901 Fernwood $175.00 411 Title
n/a 8/23/2011 3108 Selden   $175.00   411 Title
n/a 8/30/2011 710 Sixteenth   $20.85   411 Water bill
n/a 8/30/2011 522 Baltimore $8,850.00 411 Demo completed arnd 8/25/11
n/a 8/30/2011 2602 Aspen $3,199.00 411 Demo completed arnd 8/25/11
n/a 8/30/2011 2306 S. Sutphin   $6,515.00   411 Demo completed arnd 8/22/11
n/a 9/6/2011 1510 Smith   $486.00   411 Asbestos survey
n/a 9/6/2011 2904 Morgan $470.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 9/6/2011 2013-2015 Queen $518.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 9/6/2011 2212 Grand Ave $728.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 9/6/2011 652 Auburn $5,865.00 411 Demo completed 9/1/11
n/a 9/6/2011 317 Charles $51.50 411 Warranty deed prep & recording
n/a 9/6/2011 319 Young   $51.50   411 Warranty deed prep & recording
n/a 9/19/2011 411 Yankee   $10,900.00   411 Demo completed arnd 9/15/11
n/a 9/19/2011 318 Garfield $462.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 9/19/2011 318 Garfield   $150.00   411 Pest treatment
n/a 10/11/2011 710 Sixteenth   $6.95   411 Water bill
n/a 10/11/2011 2013-2015 Queen $175.00 411 Title work
n/a 10/11/2011 2904 Morgan $175.00 411 Title work
n/a 10/11/2011 1510 Smith   $175.00   411 Title work
n/a 11/7/2011 710 Sixteenth   $6.95   411 Water bill
n/a 11/7/2011 319 Young $231.94 411 Property tax bill
n/a 11/7/2011 2212 Grand Ave $6,366.75 411 Property tax bill
n/a 11/7/2011 913 Garden $893.24 411 Property tax bill
n/a 11/7/2011 317 Charles $132.53 411 Property tax bill
n/a 11/7/2011 823 Seventeenth   $5.65   411 Property tax bill
n/a 11/29/2011 1510 Smith   $7,772.00   411 Demo completed 11/28/11
n/a 11/29/2011 2904 Morgan $5,900.00 411 Demo completed 11/26/11
n/a 11/29/2011 2212 Grand Ave   $9,850.00   411 Demo completed 11/29/11
n/a 12/13/2011 212 Vanderveer   $800.00   411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 810 Seventeenth $478.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 3108 Selden $494.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 1901 Fernwood $518.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 324 Vanderveer $566.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 829 Tenth $526.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 809 Fifteenth $478.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 1309 First $502.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 1208 Calumet $478.00 411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/13/2011 1206 Calumet   $518.00   411 Asbestos survey
n/a 12/14/2011 318 Garfield   $7,900.00   411 Demolition completed 12/13
n/a 12/14/2011 2013-2015 Queen   $8,450.00   411 Demolition completed 12/13
n/a 1/3/2012 324 Vanderveer   $28.00   411 Recording fee for deed
n/a 1/3/2012 829 Tenth $28.00 411 Recording fee for deed
n/a 1/3/2012 809 Fifteenth   $28.00   411 Recording fee for deed
1/26/2012 1/26/2012 810 Seventeenth   $4,987.00   411 Demo completed 1/10/12
1/26/2012 1/26/2012 809 Fifteenth $7,132.00 411 Demo completed 1/11/12
1/26/2012 1/26/2012 829 Tenth $7,849.00 411 Demo completed 1/18/12
1/26/2012 1/26/2012 1208 Calumet $13,062.00 411 Demo completed 1/10/12
1/26/2012 1/26/2012 1206 Calumet   $7,740.00   411 Demo completed 1/10/12
2/6/2012 2/6/2012 1901 Fernwood   $14,950.00   411 Demo completed 2/6/12
2/6/2012 2/6/2012 3108 Selden $16,028.00 411 Demo completed 2/6/12
2/6/2012 2/6/2012 1309 First $11,081.00 411 Demo completed 2/6/12
2/6/2012 2/6/2012 210-212 Vanderveer $14,136.00 411 Demo completed 1/31/12
2/6/2012 2/6/2012 324 Vanderveer   $11,222.00   411 Demo completed 1/31/12
2/24/2012 2/24/2012 2212 Grand Ave $980.00 411 Proceeds from sale of demo'd lot
3/5/2012 3/5/2012 2212 Grand Ave   $103.50   411 Deed prep & recording
3/5/2012 3/5/2012 715 Fifteenth   $103.00   411 Deed prep & recording
5/8/2012 5/8/2012 721 Elwood 438 $438.00   411 Asbestos survey
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote acclaro Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 21 2012 at 11:10pm
I didn't realize had declared itself to be under state supervision for fiscal emergency. Who would have thought?

http://www.ohioattorneygeneral.gov/SpeakOutOhio/Foreclosure/Demolition-Guidelines-5-2-12.aspx
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Originally posted by greygoose greygoose wrote:

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If you listened to the same council hearing I did, you would have heard Mr. Adkins state that the city’s plan for matching funds had the blessings of both HUD and the AG’s office. It just requires the two step shuffle……

  

GG

At least we are in agreement that the folks at Donham Plaza are experts at the ol' DOUBLE SHUFFLE!!! Big%20smile
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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A suggestion to Middletown and Ms. Moon. As it requires no capital outlay to receive $500,000., take 0$ outlay, and make $500,000. If the concern is leverage, you have it. No money, and you get $500,000. what a deal. I read the state AG reference that no matching grant is allowed unless there is a fiscal crisis. As virtually every county in Ohio got an allocation, crisis must be defined by % of foreclosures against total number of housing stock. There would not be a handful of cities in Ohio that were truly in fiscal crisis, but as it points to ORC 118, call the AG office and ask. There isn't much wiggle room here. But as Dewine was begging counties to form LandBanks, he'll probably run it by a loose interpretation. Inquiring minds ask the questions at the AG level, a quick phone-call.  Mr. Adkins has had this discussion with Columbus. 
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A suggestion to Middletown and Ms. Moon. As it requires no capital outlay to receive $500,000., take 0$ outlay, and make $500,000. If the concern is leverage, you have it. No money, and you get $500,000. what a deal.
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If you read the Guidlines in order to get the $500,000 that you do not need to match you MUST match the entire sum of the grant of 2.35 million. You can not get only the $500,000 no match and walk away.
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MikeP,

I know that you are a strong advocate of using the funds to repair our streets. I agree that our streets are in bad shape and need to be addressed. However, Mayor Mulligan made a statement at the last council meeting that, if true, strengthens my conviction that removing blighted homes is a more impactful use of our limited funds.

If I heard him correctly, he stated that the $1M that the city would have to put up for the Ohio Moving Forward grant wasn’t enough money to completely pave Main Street. If his statement is accurate, wouldn’t you agree that removing 325 of the most blighted residential properties in our community would be more impactful?

Please note….. I do not know if his statement is accurate. I am hopeful that someone on this board can enlighten me on what typical road resurfacing costs are. Again, I am in favor of improving our roads and have stated that I would have supported road repair over the removal of blighted homes if the leveraged dollars were available for it instead of the demolition. If I heard his statement correctly, I am shocked at how little road improvement is accomplished with a million dollars. Did I hear him (and understand) his statement correctly?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote VietVet Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: Jun 22 2012 at 1:58pm
GG

"I know that you are a strong advocate of using the funds to repair our streets. I agree that our streets are in bad shape and need to be addressed. However, Mayor Mulligan made a statement at the last council meeting that, if true, strengthens my conviction that removing blighted homes is a more impactful use of our limited funds"

I agree with you on the need to knock down all the blighted properties in town. However, there is a secondary portion to this conversation that needs to be addressed......

Since the mid 80's, when the city council, at that time, asked the voters to move funds from the street repair fund to the General Fund, as the city had some financial issues to resolve, the road repairs have been little to none in coming. THAT is the problem with the city as it applies to road repair. They have never returned to the days when their budget called for money allocation back into that fund, They always have another area to spend their money and the roads are always the ugly stepsister in the budget, receiving no attention what so ever. That's why we have grass and weed growing through the cracks of the asphalt on the residential streets now......doesn't matter what area of town you live, your residential street shows signs of neglect from 20-35 years of the absence of a street repair program. The residents have been asking for years to fix the roads at a more rapid pace to no avail. The council and city leaders have never put streets on the highest priority list. Streets, infrastructure and safety should be the basic requirements supplied by the city to it's residents. It has not been done in this city for over two decades or more.

To answer your question concerning costs of lane miles of roadway. There was a road repair committee set up a few years ago during the Marconi, Becker, Gilleland, Ginger Smith days. Some of us attended those meetings and received some info. on how the city graded out the roads as to condition and priority of repair. In that information packet, was some cost per lane mile depending on severity of repair. If the road was to be taken down to it's base, it was (I think) something ridiculous like a million bucks per lane mile. If just the top layer, would be cheaper with patching the cheapest. Since the city hasn't bothered to place any money in the budget for repairs, they had to wait for fed money to do University and other resurfacing that we all have noticed. Not much has been done at this pace and don't see much being done in the next decaded either unless they want to change their priorities. S. Main gets the new street because of who lives there and to enhance the neighborhoods around their precious downtown area. The rest of us must wait for our streets to turn to gravel or mud I guess for them to take notice. (unless, of course, all of us on the block finance the new street ourselves)   
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Since the mid 80's, when the city council, at that time, asked the voters to move funds from the street repair fund to the General Fund, as the city had some financial issues to resolve, the road repairs have been little to none in coming. THAT is the problem with the city as it applies to road repair. They have never returned to the days when their budget called for money allocation back into that fund, They always have another area to spend their money and the roads are always the ugly stepsister in the budget, receiving no attention what so ever

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Thanks for tuning me in to "the rest of the story”..... this clears things up for me and explains the frustration that I sense from so many on this board. The picture is starting to come into focus for me.

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Each HUD program is designed to address different problems in areas of greatest need within our City. CDBG Funds were never intended to be used as the street paving department of this city.
For many years between $100,000 - $150,000 of CDBG Funds were designated for demo of blighted residential structures in the 1st and 2nd Wards. So the city was removing about 10 to 15 homes and or old garages per year. If demo was such a high priority why haven't they demo more houses per year since they had the HUD money to accomplish the task. 
 The Neighborhood Stabilization Program or NSP is a new program. Now it seems that Mr Adkins is using NSP Funds for all the demo in the city. (see above list that I posted).
I have been told by a local realtor that if the city continues to remove several homes in a block it will only further decrease the value of the homes in the 1st and 2nd Ward. He said if the city really wants to impact an area then they need to demo an entire block of homes at one time.

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Originally posted by greygoose greygoose wrote:

MikeP,

I know that you are a strong advocate of using the funds to repair our streets. I agree that our streets are in bad shape and need to be addressed. However, Mayor Mulligan made a statement at the last council meeting that, if true, strengthens my conviction that removing blighted homes is a more impactful use of our limited funds.

If I heard him correctly, he stated that the $1M that the city would have to put up for the Ohio Moving Forward grant wasn’t enough money to completely pave Main Street. If his statement is accurate, wouldn’t you agree that removing 325 of the most blighted residential properties in our community would be more impactful?

Please note….. I do not know if his statement is accurate. I am hopeful that someone on this board can enlighten me on what typical road resurfacing costs are. Again, I am in favor of improving our roads and have stated that I would have supported road repair over the removal of blighted homes if the leveraged dollars were available for it instead of the demolition. If I heard his statement correctly, I am shocked at how little road improvement is accomplished with a million dollars. Did I hear him (and understand) his statement correctly?

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GG:
Perhaps you have missed my point.  Yes, I am a strong advocate of repairing our crumbling streets.  But my main point on the subject of the landbank and the matching funds has been the way that the money appeared out of thin air, as seems to be normal when money is needed for a City Hall (or "friend of City Hall's") pet project.  If our going broke, cash-strapped, cut-to-the-bones city can wave a magic wand, shout "ABRA-KA-DABRA", double-shuffle the nutshells and find a million bucks under shell number 1 for the landbank, then they should be able to find at least an equal amount under shell number 2 or 3 for our streets!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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What the residents of Lefferson being assesed for?  And why don't the residnets of Main Street have to pay the same assessment?
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GG:
I have been saying for years that there is money available in funds other than the General Fund that could be used for streets, and other immediate needs of our city.  The denizens of City Hall keep saying "No, the other funds all have restrictions on what they can be used for."
 
Yet, every time the city needs money for a pet project, they manage to find it "tucked away in one of our other funds."
 
This blatant example of the ol' DOUBLE SHUFFLE clearly shows that I have been correct and the city has been hypocritical (and a liar), not to mention the fact that street repairs and repaving is, and always has been, a legitimate use of CBDG funds!!!
“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Understood.....

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If the city doesn't put money back into the street and infrastructure fund, and hasn't since 1986, isn't it true if they keep on doing that, we'll always get what we got before, and that's a failing infrastructure, paraphrasing GG. Mutilple councils have ignored streets and sewers and the infrastructure for so long, its a problem beyond repair. There is too much cost involved. I wonder if there is HUD and NSP money that could be used to destroy the sewers and start over again, and same with roads.

It will take 11 years to destroy the housing stock, and the question remains, is the motivation to eliminate cost for mowing grass, crime, upkeep, or is the motivation to eliminate housing to the point there would be rquity with supply and demand. If its the latter, the city will need to knock down about 75% of residential property in Middletown.
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    I was told the other day that I needed to add another multi million dollar item to the critical needs list of
Middletown, the Water Treatment Plant.
One of these days EPA will ride into town and there will be no more kicking these big cans down the road. Where on earth are we going to come up with the money to solve the EPA problems and then repave the streets?
   


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GG -Ms. Viv,
If you listened to the same council hearing I did, you would have heard Mr. Adkins state that the city’s plan for matching funds had the blessings of both HUD and the AG’s office. It just requires the two step shuffle……
It is time to wipe away those tears   

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Please provide me with copies of these letters of approval from HUD and the AG office and post them on this blog.
I have been told that documention of the approval from these two enities does not exist  as per this date.

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GG -Ms. Viv,
If you listened to the same council hearing I did, you would have heard Mr. Adkins state that the city’s plan for matching funds had the blessings of both HUD and the AG’s office. It just requires the two step shuffle……
It is time to wipe away those tears

Grey Goose
Please provide me with copies of these letters of approval from HUD and the AG office and post them on this blog.
I have been told that documention of the approval from these two enities does not exist as per this date.


Ms. Viv,

Give me a break and re-read my post….. I said that Mr. Adkins “stated” that he had the blessings of both the AG’s office and HUD. Please provide a link to the video and folks can view and hear it for themselves. Just because the documentation “may” not exist doesn’t mean that a verbal blessing wasn’t issued. In all probability, this is how it went down. I don’t know why I am telling you this because you already know it. In my eyes, things are looking up.

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If the city doesn't put money back into the street and infrastructure fund, and hasn't since 1986, isn't it true if they keep on doing that, we'll always get what we got before, and that's a failing infrastructure, paraphrasing GG. Mutilple councils have ignored streets and sewers and the infrastructure for so long, its a problem beyond repair. There is too much cost involved. I wonder if there is HUD and NSP money that could be used to destroy the sewers and start over again, and same with roads.

It will take 11 years to destroy the housing stock, and the question remains, is the motivation to eliminate cost for mowing grass, crime, upkeep, or is the motivation to eliminate housing to the point there would be rquity with supply and demand. If its the latter, the city will need to knock down about 75% of residential property in Middletown.

Guys…. I have been brought up to speed with the city’s history of ignoring street and infrastructure maintenance. I also agree with acclaro’s assumption that “high cost” is the reason they keep kicking the can down the street. I am championing the Moving Ohio Forward over street & infrastructure repair for the following reasons:

1.     The removal of blighted residential properties from our city has equal importance.
2.     We can accomplish much more for the dollar spent
3.     It will result in upward pressure on property values
4.     It will reduce concentrations of poverty & its related problems
5.     It will enhance the our ability to bring business investment to the city

I know where acclaro came up with 11 years to accomplish our goal but I truly believe that it will be closer to half of that amount of time. Although there are 3,000+ abandoned homes, there are not 3,000 homes that need to be demolished. In all honesty, I like acclaro’s idea of the city incentivizing citizens to take over some of our housing stock. Grade the properties based on the impact that they will have on the city. Tear down the ones that have outlived their useful life or will cost more to renovate than they are worth. Give the properties to adjacent property owners or to investors that contractually obligate themselves to develop the properties within a predetermined amount of time. For those properties that grade high enough, let them stand and make them available to investors that commit to occupying them. Although I now make my living as a landlord, I think that these properties should only be made available to investors (with intention to rent) as a last resort. This city is extremely unbalanced in the amount of rental properties that exist and reducing that imbalance should be a top priority.

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It seems that every time we have talked about the housing problem here in Middletown since 2000 we have stated over and over again that we need to demo 3,000 properties. However I can not find proof that this is a true statement or a correct number.
Here is the link to the 2012 HUD Substantial Amendment
Please read page 8
During 2008 it states the following:
305 homes need major rehab
25 homes dilapidated and occupied
18 homes condemnable and vacant

http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/2012-HUDAnnualActionPlan.htm

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It seems that every time we have talked about the housing problem here in Middletown since 2000 we have stated over and over again that we need to demo 3,000 properties. However I can not find proof that this is a true statement or a correct number.
Here is the link to the 2012 HUD Substantial Amendment
Please read page 8
During 2008 it states the following:
305 homes need major rehab
25 homes dilapidated and occupied
18 homes condemnable and vacant
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~ohcmiddl/2012-HUDAnnualActionPlan.htm

Ms. Viv,

I can only speak to recent conversations and the 3,000 properties pertain to homes that are abandoned, not the number that needs to be demolished. In theory, if they go forward with the grant, the monies would enable the city to address all of the properties, above. In my eyes, that would give us a good start to ridding ourselves of our excessive blight.

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Ms. Viv,

I can only speak to recent conversations and the 3,000 properties pertain to homes that are abandoned, not the number that needs to be demolished. In theory, if they go forward with the grant, the monies would enable the city to address all of the properties, above. In my eyes, that would give us a good start to ridding ourselves of our excessive blight.
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No way do we have 3,000 abondoned properties in this town
Did you go to the link and read the entire page?
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Ms.Moon,I have came to the conclusion that Grey Goose has his head stuck so far up someones A$$(Mr.A And Queen Judy)that they need to pull out and get sme air.LOL
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Ms. Viv,

I can only speak to recent conversations and the 3,000 properties pertain to homes that are abandoned, not the number that needs to be demolished. In theory, if they go forward with the grant, the monies would enable the city to address all of the properties, above. In my eyes, that would give us a good start to ridding ourselves of our excessive blight. GG

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No way do we have 3,000 abondoned properties in this town
Did you go to the link and read the entire page?
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Mercy, Ms. Viv,

What is your point! If I’m not mistaken, this number includes rental units and homes that are just transitioning from one owner to another. If you look at a 10% vacancy rate on 9,000 rentals, you account for about 30% of that total. No one in their right mind thinks that there are 3,000 abandoned houses in town. I will give you this point…..at the last council meeting; Mayor Mulligan used the 3,000 number when he thought it was to his benefit and backed off of it when Mr. Smith suggested that tearing down 300 houses only amounted to 10% of the problem. He clearly knew that the “true” number was much less and tearing down 300 would make a significant impact. As I stated earlier, I have only been following our city council for a short period of time and this was an example of what those on this board have been telling me is the norm rather than the exception.

With that said…. What point are you trying to make. If the number is less…. GREAT! My frustration is that you seem to oppose whatever decision is made, if they decided to use the money for street repair, you would state that it should have been used to remove blight. I’m real clear on your feelings about our leadership. Other than replacing them, what would you like to see done? What do you want made a priority? If I know what your priorities are, I might better understand the positions that you take.

As for LMAO……… you are an idiot not worthy of my time.....

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Or...could the denizens of City Hall just be salivating at the opportunity to get their hands on another $1.1 million (via this landbank thing) with the idea of somehow DOUBLE SHUFFLING the money into their slush funds to "feed the beast" at Donham Plaza and funnel some more dollars to their pals at MMF???  ($2.2 million would make a good start at restoring the opera house...IF they didn't award too many "no-bid" contracts to their cronies.)
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Things seem somewhat fuzzy on this situation, and I missed most of the last meeting.
 
So--another "emergency" meeting is scheduled to re-vote?
 
Wouldn't that require emergency legislation to approve the scheduling of that meeting?
Didn't Ms.Scott Jones and Mr.Laubaugh(and/or Mr.Smith) mention opposition to the emergency meeting?
Two votes would shoot down any emergency legislation.
 
Yes--we have the failed ward peition chicanery playing out yet again.
 
No issue with the whole land bank concept, other than the shifty way our govt. would shuffle the funds to their benefit. Would all probably end up in the pockets of the very few private entities in the former downtown.
 
We still have the Studio/Strand, Hobby House and other properties that were promised to be leveled long ago.
The Duncan land swap mess(that was never mentioned after it quietly imploded), the Sorg Opera House disaster(along with both sides of that block on S Main).
Collaspsed/empty strip centers from one end of the town to the other.
 
Want to REALLY understand why no one will go to the former downtown to open a business?
1.CRIME--is everywhere in the area. The good straight people are overwhelmed like Custer and his men @ Little Big Horn..
2.POVERTY--brought on by the im-baklance of govt.assistance families and the mass exodus of living wage jobs from larger businesses that have shut down or moved(along with the upscale families associated) on to better situations in neighboring communities.
 
The blight continues to spread similar to the Colorado forest fires.
Career criminals continue to terrorize businesses and residents who only want to do their part and be left alone(safely).
 
Sorry--"Art" won't take us out of this.
Neither will "Bashes".
Probably not be fed assistance either.
Simply can't trust the money trail qwhen it goes into the city building
A reputation well-earned by past and current Councils and Administration.
 
jmo--i could be wrong
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