Are we getting our Monies worth

After reading these posts the wages may be high and unrealistic in this economy but the unions are not about to give much back given the typical union mentality of entitlements.  When times were good past administrations and commissions gave too high of increases that now must be accounted for.  From what some have said the state doesn't help cities while negotiating with unions.  Do you penalize employees not in unions (typically senior level top staff with advanced educational degrees) who have worked hard to achieve their current positions?    

acclaro wrote: Hmmm....first it was Ms. Andrews, and now Marianne, all who...   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE

No, I haven't bitten the dust, just stated that my personal information doesn't need to be paraded on a message board with a group of strangers just because someone says I need to demonstrate my "work history diversity".

My statement that you can't really evaluate the "fairness" of MJ's list of salaries without knowing their context still stands. I don't see those lists as particularly useful.

transplant wrote: After reading these posts the wages may be high and unrealistic in this economy but the unions are not about to give much back given the typical union mentality of entitlements.  When times were good past administrations and commissions gave too high of increases that now must be accounted for.  From what some have said the state doesn't help cities while negotiating with unions.  Do you penalize employees not in unions (typically senior level top staff with advanced educational degrees) who have worked hard to achieve their current positions?

To correct Mariane's misstatement as if fact, I have provided a few compnaies I have had the pelasure of working with some general background on experince. That is to lend some crdibility to comparison to salry ranges for the privte sector from one whom work with VP's of HR weekly, uses Hay Points, and knows in a large firm like Ernst & Young, or a big 4 consultancy, the EA would support about 7 Partners (shared resource), and make maybe $55,000. in a prime market like NYC, where the COL is much higher than Middletown.

Hermes I beg to differ with you.  The city does produce services:

I also see that ashkicker who normally chimes in on these issues hasn't.  Still wondering what all that Brass at the Fire Dept. is needed for? [/QUOTE wrote:     I feel like I'm back in grade school and have been called out on the playgr

thanx for the reply, ash.

Spider,

ashkicker The firefighters were ask to take a freeze but did not,thats the way the union works.

acclaro wrote: In both Texas, Michigan, and North Carolina, the very highest end of a city manager's position is about $125,000., and in Michigan, its 100,000.

Perhaps acclaro isn't so clear in his posts, so I may be misreading what he wrote, but his statement regarding the "very highest end of a city manager's position is about $125,000" in Texas is wrong.


http://www.texastribune.org/library/data/government-employee-salaries/search/title/?q=city%20manager

Employee Title Search : "city manager"
Name     Agency     Title     Salary
Sheryl L. Sculley     San Antonio     City Manager     $315,000
Mary Suhm     Dallas     City Manager's Office     $278,460
Thomas Muehlenbeck     Plano     City Manager     $270,969
Tomas Gonzalez     Irving     City Manager     $246,384
Marc Ott     Austin     City Manager     $242,008
William E Dollar     Garland     City Manager     $229,500
Taylor Alan M     Amarillo     City Manager     $228,820
Fisseler Dale A     Fort Worth     City Manager     $226,595
LEE ANN DUMBAULD     Lubbock     City Manager     $225,002
Joyce Ann Wilson     El Paso     City Manager     $216,744
Ryan Evans     Dallas     City Manager's Office     $204,117
Pasquale Digiovanni     San Antonio     Deputy City Manager     $193,445
Arthur Rodriguez     San Antonio     Deputy City Manager     $191,602
Martin E Glenn     Garland     Deputy City Manager     $187,864
Michael Mcdonald     Austin     Assistant City Manager     $185,848
Humberto Lumbreras     Austin     Assistant City Manager     $185,848
Robert Goode     Austin     Assistant City Manager     $185,848
Rudy Garza     Austin     Assistant City Manager     $185,848
Sue Edwards     Austin     Assistant City Manager     $185,848
Bruce Glasscock     Plano     Deputy City Manager     $178,001
J Jordan     Dallas     City Manager's Office     $177,085
Montgomery Karen Lynne     Fort Worth     Assistant City Manager     $176,134
Arthur Gonzalez     Dallas     City Manager's Office     $175,500
Angel R. Escobar     Corpus Christi     City Manager     $172,708
Forest Turner     Dallas     City Manager's Office     $172,220
Atkinson William J     Amarillo     Deputy City Manager     $172,000
Frank Turner     Plano     Deputy City Manager     $171,221
Costa Fernando     Fort Worth     Assistant City Manager     $169,957
Higgins Thomas M     Fort Worth     Assistant City Manager     $169,957
Daniels Charles W     Fort Worth     Assistant City Manager     $169,957

Marianne your comparison is out of kilter also you are comparing Dallas to Middletown.....San Antonio to Middletown.......Fort Worth to Middletown.  Lets do Like the BOE likes to do and compare like demographics at least.

acclaro wrote: Your figures are grossly exaggerated, and the ave medium physician in the nation Marianne makes < than $150,000 annually nationally.

Your posts are making less sense to me the more I read them. Maybe you should change your handle?

You made a claim about what city managers in Texas made that seemed wildly inaccurate. I provided facts that show your statement was incorrect. Pretty basic stuff. That's all there was to my post: correcting an error. :)