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Mike_Presta
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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acclaro
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The bizarre paradox, indeed, irony of the stringing together of Cincinnati State because the city is incapable of bringing private business into Middletown, only public sector gifts such as the appellate court, OJFS (now closed), MUM, and C State, social security office, is that MCSD is losing enrollment, and of course, has dismal performance, and now the city of Middletown is now TASKED with bringing in enrollment increases for Cincinnati State.
I mean, what a paradoxical relationship. The MCSD is losing enrollment, putting a greater burden on the residential property tax owner, and yet the city of Middletown is focusing on increasing enrollment for Cincinnati State. Does this madness ever end? Think raising tax rates don't matter to businesses? I ask you drive down Breiel again, and look at how many FOR LEASE signs are out. If you are renting or have a lease, companies are moving out of Middletown right and left. The building owned by the Schiavoni restaurant owner that was/ is across from the old Fenwick building is now up as well---FOR LEASE. Take a peek at CS & H's sign---FOR LEASE- AGGRESSIVE PRICING. They want out of that building and the tax burden so badly they'd give it to Cincinnati State. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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chmoore1
MUSA Resident Joined: Jan 25 2012 Status: Offline Points: 230 |
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Stefano's, not Schiavone. chmoore
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acclaro
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Correct, I used to eat there often as well as Capozzi's, but checked out of Middletown completely. My dining is now in West Chester or down on the Montgomery Inn. Thx for correction.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Downtown’s future linked to Cincinnati State
Businesses, residents look toward campus for downtown’s next phase
By Michael D. Pitman, Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Potential is what those who are invested in downtown now see since Cincinnati State Technical & Community College will open its first branch campus in August. |
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VietVet
MUSA Council Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Patrick Kay quote...... "Downtown Middletown Inc. Director Patrick Kay is also here because of Cincinnati State.
“I took the job because Cincinnati State was going to be coming here,” he said. “That would be another major stepping stone to push Middletown into that next phase.” THE "NEXT PHASE" IS GOING TO BE BUILT AROUND 200 STUDENTS AND A WISH LIST FOR 3000 IN FIVE YEARS? THAT'S IT? NO OTHER PLAN TO ESTABLISH SOME DIVERSITY TO FALL BACK ON IF CINCY STATE DOESN'T WORK OUT AS PLANNED? NO OTHER IDEAS FOR DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN A SCHOOL TO STIMULATE THE WHOLE DOWNTOWN AREA? COULDN'T THERE BE SIMULTANEOUS IDEAS IN PLACE OR ARE WE ONLY CAPABLE OF ONE-AT-A-TIME THINKING FROM CITY LEADERS? "And to have a destination location, like a college, will bring people downtown, Kay said. Cincinnati State officials anticipate that more than 200 students will enroll for the fall semester, and project more than 3,000 students within five years". OH, I DON'T KNOW KAY. WHEN THE COLLEGE IS UP AND RUNNING, UNLESS IT SPAWNS OTHER ENTITIES OF INTEREST LIKE RESTAURANTS, MOVIES AND OTHER ENTERTAINMENT, I DOUBT THAT MOST WILL BE HEADED TO DOWNTOWN.....UNLESS YOU USE THE COLLEGE FOR CLASSES. DON'T NECESSARILY SEE THAT HAPPENING WITH SUCH A SMALL COLLEGE OPERATION PLANNED. “Having a college downtown is like putting an amusement park right in the middle of your downtown,” Kay said. “You really can’t ask for much more to have a college in your downtown. It pushes the direction of the downtown in a positive direction. It’s definitely going to spring board (economic development) a lot faster.” AN AMUSEMENT PARK! 50/ 50 CRAPSHOOT ON THE "SPRINGBOARDING ECON. DEVEL. A LOT FASTER (IF AT ALL) WE SHALL SEE IF YOUR PREDICTIONS COME TRUE. WE WILL CONGRATULATE YOU IF THEY DO. WE WILL NOT LET YOU FORGET IT IF THEY TURN OUT TO BE PIPE DREAMS. WANNA REALLY STIMULATE TRAFFIC FLOW/PEOPLE FLOW, HOTELS AND ENTERTAINMENT IN THE DOWNTOWN AREA? PUT IN A CASINO. START WITH THE CONVERSION OF THE MANCHESTER INTO A SMALL CASINO AND SEE HOW IT GOES BEFORE EXPANDING. WHY SHOULD THE FOLKS IN INDIANA ENJOY ALL THE RESIDUALS OF CASINO REVENUE? JMO AND MORE FROM GILLELAND...... "But Gilleland said Cincinnati State “will have the most ability to significantly affect the downtown; perhaps the entire city.” The typical needs of many college students, she said, will likely spur development, such as coffee shops, small retail stores and restaurants. “I envision a thriving downtown area centered around education, entertainment and the arts,” Gilleland said. “There will be people walking around the streets visiting the many shops and restaurants. This energy will spill over into the entire city, which will make Middletown a more attractive place for young people and families.” NOPE! THE STIMULATION STARTS WITH GOOD PAYING JOBS TO AFFORD WHAT YOU ARE PROPOSING GILLELAND. GOTTA HAVE DISPOSABLE INCOME IN YOUR POCKET TO USE THE RESTAURANTS, COFFEE SHOPS, THE ARTS AND RETAIL STORES. NO EXTRA MONEY......NO SPENDING IN YOUR DOWNTOWN.......UNLESS YOU ARE COUNTING ON PEOPLE FROM OUT OF TOWN TO PATRONIZE YOUR DOWNTOWN. CART BEFORE THE HORSE MENTALITY IMO. GONNA TAKE MORE THAN A REVITALIZED DOWNTOWN TO ATTRACT YOUNG PEOPLE. GOTTA ENTICE THEM WITH DECENT EMPLOYMENT FIRST, RIGHT? |
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acclaro
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Vet, Cincinnati State is nothing but a smokescreen. I am still in shock over the complete bailout of businesses on all sides on Breiel. The only ones whom will benefit from the few students taking classes at Cincinnati State wil be the court system collecting traffic and drinking fines, and the few remaining attorneys whom haven't left Middletown for Springboro, hanging on a thread, who will get paid to keep the students out of jail, pay their fines, and charge $200./hr.
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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VietVet
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Concentration is on downtown. Forget Breiel or the East End. City leaders can't focus on more than one thing at a time as to econ. dev. Gilleland and crew either are not interested in maintaining the Breiel businesses or think the problem will magically fix itself in time. East End WAS the focal point........that is, until Mulligan, Kohler and others told Gilleland to do something about preserving some neighborhood home value where THEY live by attempting to make the nearby downtown area viable.(To hell with the rest of us as to preserving our home values) The rest of the town burns while the S. Main St. crowd fiddles. The professional office area on Breiel and the first impressions of the city at the I-75 interchange have taken a backseat to an area of town that has repeatedly seen attempts at revival taken and have repeatedly failed. Right now, the way the interchange looks, you may as well relocate the Riverside trailer park there. Would add to the trashy look at the interchange now. Totally misfocused. Totally inept......all of 'em.
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Mike_Presta
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First student enrolls at Cincinnati State has local officials discuss impact of campusBy Michael D.
Pitman, Staff Writer
Updated 12:05 AM Tuesday,
April 24, 2012
MIDDLETOWN — Cincinnati State’s first student enrollee at its downtown Middletown campus helped raise its first sign Monday, signifying the college is open for business here. Madison High School senior Mason Conley said the college’s location made his decision easy. City and business leaders said they hoped the location and partnership between the college and city will help others like Conley. “The first time a college looks for a regional campus, it’s a huge move,” said Bill Triick, president and CEO of the Chamber of Commerce Serving Middletown, Monroe & Trenton. “This is opening up not just a place of employment and filling a building, but it’s pairing the people who are going to be working in a variety of things down the road.” Middletown Mayor Larry Mulligan said the school will help people in the area improve their education and standard of life. “This is one step forward of many steps forward,” said Mulligan. “It’s going to mean so much to open up the entire region, and open up so many opportunities for so many people.” Earlier this month, Cincinnati State and Higher Education Partners signed a deal that would bring the community college’s first branch campus to downtown Middletown. A week later, the city signed off on its agreement to sell the former CG&E building at 1 N. Main St. for $202,000 and donate the former senior center to Higher Education Partners, for the Cincinnati State Middletown campus. Construction of the Cincinnati State Middletown building is planned to be finished by mid-July, and about six weeks later classes are expected to begin. Cincinnati State President Dr. O’dell Owens paid tribute to the late Perry Thatcher, the former city councilman and local businessman who envisioned Monday’s event. “We’re here today because it started out with one man who had a dream, Perry Thatcher,” said Owens to a crowd of about 100 in the lobby of the future branch campus. “We’re here today because once city council and the city manager and its mayor were brave enough to take a chance, brave enough to spend tax payers’ money because they felt they could help create a future for Middletown. The power of one little community college to raise its hand to say it wants to be a part of Middletown and its redevelopment. And one very unusual, and we’re very fortunate to find this company, the Higher Education Partners out of Boston who said, ‘We would like to invest in education.’ ” Owens told Kathie Wassenich, one of Thatcher’s daughters, that he would like to see Thatcher’s name grace the wall in the lobby of the Cincinnati State Middletown campus once it opens. “We make a commitment that we will always develop a legacy for your father,” Owens said. “And I hope that one day we will be able to dedicate hopefully the lounge here, the entrance here, to your dad.” Wassenich said she had a “warm glow” heading to the event “because I know he’s very happy. I’m sure he’s very proud.” Higher Education Partners will be taking the financial risk, developing the Middletown campus for Cincinnati State. And during a time where people are frustrated with government, Higher Education Partners CEO Michael Perik said Middletown, Cincinnati State and Ohio made progress happen. “Today’s an example that with the right leadership, with the right commitment from the state, the right commitment from the local community, you can actually still make progress,” he said. It’s projected that more than 200 students will enroll this fall at Cincinnati State Middletown, and more than 3,000 students will enroll within a few years. The school will offer eight associate degree programs, including Conley’s desired field of study, hospitality management. “At this point, I’m looking to do my two years and get into the field,” he said. Contact this reporter at (513) 820-2175 or michael.pitman@coxinc.com. Follow at twitter.com/mdptiman. Is it just me…or does anyone else find it strange that this article does not include information such as exactly in which course this first student enrolled, or where the class will be held??? |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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VietVet
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Some comments pertaining to the article.....
MIDDLETOWN — Cincinnati State’s first student enrollee at its downtown Middletown campus helped raise its first sign Monday, signifying the college is open for business here THAT'S A START. 4999 TO GO TO MEET THE PROJECTED 5000 IN 5 YEARS. THIS ARTICLE IS A LITTLE PREMATURE AS TO MEETING NUMBER QUOTAS AND RAISING THE IMPACT LEVEL ON THE "WOW" FACTOR, ISN'T IT? “This is opening up not just a place of employment and filling a building, but it’s pairing the people who are going to be working in a variety of things down the road.” Bill Triick comment. AND WHAT WOULD THAT "PAIRING THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO BE WORKING IN A VARIETY OF THINGS DOWN THE ROAD BE BILL? AS IT STANDS NOW, YOUR STATEMENT IS VOID OF ANY MEANINGFUL SUBSTANCE. JUST PAPER QUOTE JIBBERISH Middletown Mayor Larry Mulligan said the school will help people in the area improve their education and standard of life AND HOW WILL THIS SCHOOL "HELP PEOPLE IN THE AREA IMPROVE THEIR EDUCATION AND STANDARD OF LIFE" IF THEY CAN'T USE THE EDUCATION TO APPLY IT TO EMPLOYMENT IN AND AROUND MIDDLETOWN BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T ENTICED ANY COLLEGE LEVEL EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES TO TOWN? IT'S ONE THING TO SUPPLY THE PREREQUISITES TO UPSCALE EMPLOYMENT.....IT'S ANOTHER THING TO SUPPLY THE END RESULT OF THAT PREPARATION BY SUPPLYING JOB OPPORTUNITIES. YOU PEOPLE HAVE NOT COMPLETED THE CYCLE REQUIRED TO MAKE IT WORK. THEY MAY GET THEIR EDUCATION HERE, BUT THEY WON'T STAY. NOTHING TO APPLY THE EDUCATION TO LAWRENCE. “This is one step forward of many steps forward,” said Mulligan. “It’s going to mean so much to open up the entire region, and open up so many opportunities for so many people.” SEE COMMENTS ABOVE. We’re here today because it started out with one man who had a dream, Perry Thatcher,” said Owens to a crowd of about 100 in the lobby of the future branch campus A "CROWD OF 100" SLIGHT EMBELLISHMENT Higher Education Partners will be taking the financial risk, developing the Middletown campus for Cincinnati State. And during a time where people are frustrated with government, Higher Education Partners CEO Michael Perik said Middletown, Cincinnati State and Ohio made progress happen. “Today’s an example that with the right leadership, with the right commitment from the state, the right commitment from the local community, you can actually still make progress,” he said. MIGHT WANT TO BACK OFF THE RHETORIC A LITTLE OWENS. JUST ONE STUDENT SO FAR FOR SUCH FLAMBOUYANT TALK. SAVE IT FOR WHEN YOU REACH YOUR PROJECTED 200 STUDENT NUMBERS....OR BETTER YET, THE 5000 NUMBER. THEN THERE WILL BE CREDIBILITY IN YOUR STATEMENTS. It’s projected that more than 200 students will enroll this fall at Cincinnati State Middletown, and more than 3,000 students will enroll within a few years. The school will offer eight associate degree programs, including Conley’s desired field of study, hospitality management "PROJECTED"....MORE THAN 3000 STUDENTS WILL ENROLL WITHIN A "FEW YEARS". VAGUE, AMBIGUOUS, GENERALITIES OFFERED HERE. NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE AS YET. 3000 IN A "FEW YEARS" (3 YEARS?....4 YEARS?....WHAT CONSTITUTES A "FEW YEARS"?), WHAT IS THE TIME FRAME FOR THE 5000 NUMBER? THE ANSWER IS......THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CONFIDENCE IN ANY NUMBER PREDICTIONS AS YET WITH JUST THE ONE RESPONDENT SO FAR. IT IS STILL A "HOPE" THAT THIS WILL WORK OUT........SO JUST WRITE THE ARTICLE AS SUCH PITMAN. CUTOUT ALL THE DRAMA, REPORT WHAT HAS OCCURED AND TONE DOWN THE IMPACT TO THE "WE'RE JUST GETTING STARTED" LEVEL. THAT'S ALL.JMO |
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acclaro
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I swore I wasn't even going to waste a keystroke but the fact Middletown residents have this mindset, the city is comprised of either the people that own the business and those that work for the owner, just boils me.
Perry Thatcher had a dream of turning the Manchester into a partnership with culinary. That isn't the deal. The only thing this project brings and is for, is for Main Street to have something they can cling to on property valuation. To boast about the significance of this project is hyperbole at its highest. The spin is just that...spin. No substance, nothing special. Why attend school when there are no jobs in the town where the school is. And the crown jewel is void. Culinary is the only jewel in the education portfoloio at State because of price pt. It beats the hell out of the $40,000 at the French Culinary Institute. All the other programs offer no advantage, other than slightly cheaper in Sinclair. MUM is about $300./ credit hr, so save 20.00 going to C State? Why bother. |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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Pacman
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Why does everyone think that Middletown must have high paying jobs? This is something that just is not going to happen ever again. Middletown has a better chance of being a suburb to Dayton and Cincinnati if the City leaders get off their asses and clean out the garbage in the city.
Middletown needs a New High School and A New Middle School (Not remodeled) to compete with other local suburbs. If the city would concentrate on appeling to middle income residents and children rather the low income citizen that we currently have that cause most of the expense and problems, Middletown could turn itself around. Instead we have everyone around here moaing and groaning and getting nothing done. The last city I lived in prior to Middletown had 100,000 people in it and 0 industrail, mechanical, or other high paying jobs. It had 4 Walmarts, and a dozen or so grocery stores. Most jobs were average paying minimum wage filled by students and part time mothers etc. The Schools run on the grading systems and most schools in this city (aleast 8 yrs ago anyway) were graded "A" or "A+". This city was the place to live and raise your children. Pacman |
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Mike_Presta
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From cincinnati.com: Cincinnati St. approves tuition increase Cincinnati State Technical & Community
College students will pay an average annual full-time cost of $4,523 starting
this fall, up $265 from fall 2011. |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Let me be blunt.
Cinci state has not announced what classes will be held here at their “Middletown
campus” this fall, yet they have begun “enrolling students”!!! Apparently I am the only one who finds this
unusual. Are they really just “enrolling students” for classes at
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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SupportMiddletown
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I am always amazed at how Mike is so on top of things. Most assuredly, he knows more about enrollment and class schedules than Cincinnati State, which has only been holding classes since 1969.
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Mike_Presta
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Well, I am eager to learn, and I am after the TRUTH…so tell
me…EXACTLY what classes are being offered at Cinci State’s Middletown campus
this fall??? I am anxiously awaiting your answer, SupportMiddletown!! |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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SupportMiddletown: After you tell us what courses are being offered at Cinci
State Middletown Campus this fall, perhaps you should go for an eye
exam!!! You seem to have missed the “question
marks” in my posts. I simply pointed out that, amidst all of the hoopla
regarding the enrolling of the first student, no where was it mentioned in which
course he enrolled. In fact, no where
have I been able to find ANY information about what courses will be taught IN
MIDDLETOWN, yet much is being made about the college being “open for business
here”, and “place of employment and filling a building”!!! I have simply been asking one obvious question: “How can they be enrolling students in courses to be taught
here, when they have not publicly announced what courses will be offered
here???” It’s a pretty simple, obvious question…so answer it, Mr./Ms.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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VietVet
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I'd like to respond to your post Pacman.....
PACMAN-"Why does everyone think that Middletown must have high paying jobs?" Because high paying jobs allow people to have disposable income rather than "living from paycheck to paycheck" money. When people have disposable income, they buy houses instead of renting, they buy that car for the wife, they purchase more clothes, have more money for the kids, buy new furniture, appliances...more money flow in town. If we are content with Wal-Mart, fast food and Dollar General choices and the lousy wages they pay, no one has any hope for upgrading their standard of living. JMO Pacman- "This is something that just is not going to happen ever again" You're right....if we never pursue better jobs for the town. No one at city hall seems to see the need to even attempt the pursuit of decent jobs here, Sun Coke, being the exception. Instead of targeting $6 to $9 /hour, why don't we strive for $15-$25/hour? A household with two incomes at $15 to $25/hour can live quite nicely here in Middletown. Not a "Donny Trump" lifestyle, but not hurting either. Pacman- "Middletown needs a New High School and A New Middle School (Not remodeled) to compete with other local suburbs" Nope, disagree Pac. Don't need new facilities to compete. The new elementary schools have proven it's not the building. All new elementaries have produced minimal improvement. It's the method of instruction, the discipline needed, the parental support at home and the commitment of the admin. and teachers that will get the results we should be seeing. New buildings mean nothing if there is no quality of content inside. Pacman- "If the city would concentrate on appeling to middle income residents and children rather the low income citizen that we currently have that cause most of the expense and problems, Middletown could turn itself around" Not going to happen as long as Gilleland, Mulligan, Kohler, Landen and others are running the town. They don't care about the middle class (except at levy or tax time of course). Just care about your money. They care about their buddies and their masters, the MMF'ers who make their decisions for them. The low income are the reason for fed dollars and city revenue in lieu of bringing jobs to town for revenue. They need the low income for money, hence, they get all the attention. The low income programs are the cash cow and the city doles out the money to all who are participants like sugar daddies. Pacman- "The last city I lived in prior to Middletown had 100,000 people in it and 0 industrail, mechanical, or other high paying jobs. It had 4 Walmarts, and a dozen or so grocery stores. Most jobs were average paying minimum wage filled by students and part time mothers etc" Without decent jobs in this town, that makes Middletown a commuter town or bedroom community where people would live but would not work here. The wage taxes on commuter income goes to the town that the people work in, not Middletown. Not helpful to the city pocketbook. That drastically reduces the money flow and revenue generation needed so badly now (and currently supplied through fed government handouts like Section 8 and other ghetto producing programs) Pacman- "The Schools run on the grading systems and most schools in this city (aleast 8 yrs ago anyway) were graded "A" or "A+". IMO, the last time the schools even approached the "A" or "A+" level was in the 60's. This school system has been going down the toilet since the 70's as to quality of education. Pacman- "This city was the place to live and raise your children" Yep, in the 60's it was. Now, it has had the heart ripped right out of it by poor leadership, poor decision-making and with no vision, and with that went the quality of living that once thrived here. The city leaders we have had since the 80's has been extremely poor and we are seeing the end results of that now. This city has been decimated by ineptness at the helm. JMO |
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Richard Saunders
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acclaro
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Pacman, this issue has been discussed many times. It is city government greed which inhibits what you are stating. There are fundamentally two types of cities, which are generally the size of Middletown. Those that have some light service, industrial base, and also function as a bedroom community, which they are able to drawl residents whom perceive the availability of a quality of life, safety, good ethical standards, and schools which are providing the foundation for future success to their children.
The other communities are just the opposite. They don't rely upon a heavy influx of residents, but a small number, while attracting large businesses, or at least many of them. In this camp is Mason, and Sharonville. A city like Springboro offers both, perhaps 60-40. That is, quality of life and bedroom community to 60% of their population, and 40% which is industry or service. Turning to Middletown, it is attractive to either of the categories as listed. Firstly, residents fear for their health, as AK pollution is well documented and questioned as to its effect upon the individual. Secondly, the schools are not solid nor consistent. That point is without dispute. Next, throw in the lack of pride within city hall. The crumbling streets, the lack of services. Then, lets throw in a dask of 2.% taxes with amenities which are few, and frankly, none. Cheap housing means nothing when all the above dominate, and buying cheap means you'll also be selling cheap. And, Butler Cty property taxes are terribly out of whack with Warren Cty, by a significant margin. Now, lets dive into heavy industry and services. High taxes drive those businesses away. The poor infrastructure mandates, LOOK ELSEWHERE. Poor schools means, LOOK ELSEWHERE. A city without a vision, rudderless, means LOOK ELSEWHERE. So, while I could add easily another ten key pts, while easy to state Middletown COULD become a bedroom community, its dismal attractiveness makes it a non-fit for ever moving into that realm of reality. And for the reasons I have described. Its nice to dream though isn't it. SupMid...the student that used the paper for some recognition signed up for C State's classes at Cincinnati. He did not enroll with a class selection, he selected Cincinnati State in Cincinnati as his enrollment choice only, over Miami Valley Jacobs, and Sinclair. Strile a match....lightening is happening in downtown Middletown with students flocking. Perhaps all out of state collegs and universities should also put in the Journal, Mildred or Mike from Middletown will be attending their schools as well for the free publicity. How silly. Madison boy chose to enroll in Cincinnati State in Cincinnati by doing so in Middletown (wink, wink). I shake my head so often on the spin on C State, I am getting a neck brace before breaking a vertebrae. |
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I would hope the hype dies down, the spin stops spinning. Let's focus on Renaissance now.
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spiderjohn
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Rumor being that the relationship between city admin and Neyer is over, and that admin has considering suing Neyer as one of their options. Not sure how we could gain anything by that. Maybe someone in the know could clarify the status of the situation. East end progress seems to be a forgotten subject. Anyone heard anything regarding Towne Mall?
SWO75---rumor that I heard was that the new version of Red Onion might be located on the 2nd floor of the Pendleton building. Have heard yes--have heard no--somaybe I should shut up. Any comments on the failed Duncan Oil project, the cash/man-hours wasted and how we displaced functioning businesses with nothing, and made a very poor land swap?
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Hmmm. Interesting. That doesn’t make a lot of sense because from what I can tell, there is not a separate entrance upstairs, and the location does allow for great visibility. Perhaps they are looking to replace All About You as the caterer for the upstairs event center? That would make more sense. The whole Renaissance commercial end has been a disaster since Great Midwest/Clayton went belly up. Thankfully Fischer was able to step in and breathe new life into the residential component when GM/Clayton and Dixon failed. The mutli-family owner-occupied piece of the equation seems to have fallen off as well. Victims of the housing market, I suppose. The whole area feels so scattered with various pieces here and there. And Neyer has been a disappointment. Part Deux. What is Duncan Oil’s deal? Hopefully the city has learned its lesson with them. Thankfully we did see the new UDF come to fruition and business seems to be quite good for them. |
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acclaro
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Neyer was in litigation with Hamilton before it began its efforts on the east wend with the Renaissance and should have known there to be problems, but I disagree the problems are of Neyer's making. There are over 50 acres for sale now, maybe more, right across from the Atrium at the old Bond farm, and no movement on the property in years. Same with the area around Meijer's that is being auctioned. Neyer can develop the land, but it is not solely their responsibility to bring in businesses that want to have a presence in Middletown. CS & H is where...and why?
I believe the most common word used by the city and to describe it, is "hope". Hopefully they learned from jumping the gun and buying property hoping a railroad train would appear in Middletown. I think the whole charade with Cincinnati State is based upon salvaging the work associated with the train coming from Cincinnati (hope and change right), and Main Street for the city leaders and council afforded the pleasure of walking "uptown" from their abode. |
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Gee, it seems that it will be taking a while for
Spout-offMiddletown to return and tell us which courses will be taught by Cinci
State here at their Middletown campus this fall.
I’m sure that he/she will be doing it…right after he/she:
Lists the historic events that occurred
in downtown Middletown, and
Quotes the post wherein anyone who
posts on this forum was “celebrating” the demise of the restaurant and catering business
at the PAC, and cites the source, and
Backs up the other silly claims
he/she has made here.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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