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    Posted: Mar 12 2012 at 2:24pm
Justice Department files objection to Texas voter ID law

Published March 12, 2012

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The Justice Department is objecting to a new photo ID law in Texas for voters, saying the state has failed to demonstrate that the the law is not discriminatory by design against Hispanic voters.

The department's head of the civil rights division, Tom Perez, wrote a a six-page letter to Texas' director of elections saying that Texas has not "sustained its burden" under Section 5 of the Voting Rights Act to show that the new law will not have a discriminatory effect on minority voters. About 11 percent of Hispanic voters reportedly lack state-issued identification.

Perez wrote that while the state says the new photo ID requirement is to "ensure electoral integrity and deter ineligible voters from voting" the state "did not include evidence of significant in-person voter impersonation not already addressed by the state's existing laws."

Perez added that the number of people lacking any personal ID or driver's license issued by
the state ranges from from 603,892 to 795,955, but of that span, 29-38 percent of them are Hispanic.

"According to the state's own data, a Hispanic registered voter is at least 46.5 percent, and potentially 120.0 percent, more likely than a non-Hispanic registered voter to lack this identification," Perez wrote.

"Even using the data most favorable to the state ... that disparity is statistically significant," he said.

A spokesman with the Texas Secretary of State's office, which runs the Elections Division, was not immediately available. Gov. Rick Perry's office was also working on a response. However, a Democratic state lawmaker told the Houston Chronicle that he was thankful for the decision.

"Throughout the pre-clearance process, Texas consistently failed to produce information showing the law would not have a discriminatory impact on minority voters. The Voting Rights Act exists for this exact purpose: protecting the ability of all Americans to access the ballot box," Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, told the newspaper.

However, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said the Texas law was based on an Indiana law that was upheld by the Supreme Court.

"Voter ID laws help ensure the integrity of our elections and protect the rights of lawful voters. If citizens are required to show ID in order to open a bank account, cash a check, drive a car or board a plane, how much more important is it to show ID in order to exercise one of our most valuable democratic rights?" he asked. "This is an abuse of executive authority and an affront to the citizens of Texas. It's time for the Obama administration to learn not to mess with Texas."

Perez noted that the Texas law allowed voters to show military ID, a U.S. citizenship certificate, a U.S. passport or a license to carry a concealed handgun, but the state did not provide any statistics noting how many people lack state ID but have the other allowable forms.

"Nor has the state provided any data on the demographic makeup of such voters," Perez wrote.

Texas is the second state to have its voter ID law challenged. The Justice Department already blocked a similar law from taking effect in South Carolina -- the first time a voter ID law was rejected by the department in nearly 20 years.

South Carolina sued Holder in response, arguing that enforcement of its new law will not disenfranchise any voters.

As for the Texas law, Perez wrote that while lawmakers offered to make election identification certificates available to protect low-income voters who don't already have any ID, the documents are not free, and it creates the additional burden of traveling to a driver's license office, undergoing an application process that includes fingerprinting and finding supporting documentation to prove one's identity.

Using Census data, the Justice Department argued that the law creates an undue hardship on Hispanic populations that don't have the means to get a vehicle, live extremely far from a driver's license office or can't make it during the offices' limited operating hours.

Upon a federal court order, Texas recently changed its March 1 primary date to May 29 after a months-long fight over redistricting.



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I think I am pretty liberal in most regards, but I don't see how requiring someone to have an ID is discriminatory.

You would think if you are legal and to help rid any doubt, that you might be inclined to have a state issued ID. How about setting up a station to give out legal ID's? Err..process them or make them more readily available..

People go through the trouble of setting up sites to get voters registered, why not make sure they have an ID?

Voter fraud works both ways. Billy Bob from the back woods can 2 or 3 times too you know..

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"The Justice Department is objecting to a new photo ID law in Texas for voters, saying the state has failed to demonstrate that the the law is not discriminatory by design against Hispanic voters"

Then get them a frikkin' legal ID and the Hispanic discrimination problem is solved for voting. If you are illegal, you can't get an ID card to vote- the way it should be. Perez wants ALL Hispanics to be able to vote......even the illegal ones and is using this discrimination bullcrap as the cover for allowing illegals to do this.

Civil rights should not pertain to illegals. Until they are legal, they shouldn't have civil rights (or any other rights).

"Throughout the pre-clearance process, Texas consistently failed to produce information showing the law would not have a discriminatory impact on minority voters".

It is NOT discriminatory if the majority are required to obtain proper ID's to vote. That is the rule for EVERYONE. It is, however, discriminatory against the majority if you allow these people to vote WITHOUT proper ID's.

"The Voting Rights Act exists for this exact purpose: protecting the ability of all Americans to access the ballot box," Sen. Rodney Ellis, D-Houston, told the newspaper"

Even illegals, RODNEY? The people in question are NOT Americans, but are here illegally. Doesn't apply, RODNEY.

"However, House Judiciary Committee Chairman Lamar Smith, a Texas Republican, said the Texas law was based on an Indiana law that was upheld by the Supreme Court".

"Voter ID laws help ensure the integrity of our elections and protect the rights of lawful voters"

Bingo, Lamar Smith.

"Perez noted that the Texas law allowed voters to show military ID, a U.S. citizenship certificate, a U.S. passport or a license to carry a concealed handgun, but the state did not provide any statistics noting how many people lack state ID but have the other allowable forms"

The problem with your statement, Perez, is that your illegals can't show ANY of these ID forms mentioned above, including the state ID you are complaining about, but you still want them to have the right to vote.

"As for the Texas law, Perez wrote that while lawmakers offered to make election identification certificates available to protect low-income voters who don't already have any ID, the documents are not free, and it creates the additional burden of traveling to a driver's license office, undergoing an application process that includes fingerprinting and finding supporting documentation to prove one's identity"

Then provide them transportation to get to the voting place/drivers license place, money to buy the certificates and resources to help them find supporting documentation to prove identity. Everyone's been fingerprinted Perez. Put your money where your mouth is. How bad do you want this to happen? JMO



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Originally posted by rngrmed rngrmed wrote:

I think I am pretty liberal in most regards, but I don't see how requiring someone to have an ID is discriminatory.

You would think if you are legal and to help rid any doubt, that you might be inclined to have a state issued ID. How about setting up a station to give out legal ID's? Err..process them or make them more readily available..

People go through the trouble of setting up sites to get voters registered, why not make sure they have an ID?

Voter fraud works both ways. Billy Bob from the back woods can 2 or 3 times too you know..

You bring up a good point that voter fraud is not limited to one race or political party.
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This voter ID conversation could be solved with the application of a little common sense. In November when you go to vote, you get a picture ID issued. Then, when any new voter is registered, they get a picture ID. Those that for whatever reason don't vote in the next election cycle must register to vote and receive a voter ID. Take a little pro-active approach toward this and it becomes a non-issue. The next cry will be who pays for it; has to be the state that issues the ID; otherwise, it is a "poll tax" which is illegal. Voter fraud isn't as big a problem IMO as rigged voting machines and fraudulent absentee ballots. That's where the fraud problems seem to be.
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