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Come on--I wouldn't call our school district a failure---obsiously challenged in many ways.
Most of the teachers and administrators with whom I come into contact care very much about the students, schools
and community. The schools are hampered by the same issues that have crippled our community over the last 30 years.
We all see it every day--pujblic safety issues--health issues--housing/neighborhood issues.
 
Acquired area crime activity maps last night at the business watch meeting. Wonterful home safety presentation by the police dept. I believe that the school discipline/conduct committee meets this afternoonn.
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NCan we finally put the past behind us and concentrate on moving forward?
As with the basketball team--the Jerry Lucas era was very special, AND over 50 years ago.
Hopefully we quit re-living past glories, and begin to concentrate on future success?
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Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

Come on--I wouldn't call our school district a failure---obsiously challenged in many ways.
Most of the teachers and administrators with whom I come into contact care very much about the students, schools

and community. The schools are hampered by the same issues that have crippled our community over the last 30 years.

We all see it every day--pujblic safety issues--health issues--housing/neighborhood issues.

 

Acquired area crime activity maps last night at the business watch meeting. Wonterful home safety presentation by the police dept. I believe that the school discipline/conduct committee meets this afternoonn.

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Sorry Spider. When a district has the track record this district has and is light years behind the surrounding districts, I choose to call it a failure. We shall disagree. It's ok. You are more forgiving than I am.

This district, since the 70's, has taken a slow decent into the abyss compared to what it was prior to that time. IMO, the school people just flat out didn't address the decent in a timely manner. We didn't always have the problems we have today. The demographics of the town weren't at the poverty levels they are today and the schools didn't have the out-or-control discipline issues compared to today's extremes. The city didn't do the school any favors by bringing in more low income and all that comes with it either. Yet, the system was still failing at that time. The excuse today is that they have too many kids who come from broken, undisciplined homes who bring that behavior to school. What was the excuse in performance back then? If a district is still spinning it's wheels in the mud, and has been for decades, it is time to call it what it is and stop the excuse train from rolling along. Time to upgrade the improvement program.
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Spiderjohn, thank you for your posts, particularly answering questions about Wade E. Miller gym and climate/discipline. I appreciate your perspective and your involvement on the climate/discipline committee.
 
Tracyl, the academic support specialists are paid for from grants for professional development. They are in the buildings to help teachers. If you don't feel that the academic support specialist in your building is helpful, then you should raise your concerns with someone who could actually do something about it. The administration cannot read your mind. I suggest starting with your principal. If you are not comfortable raising the issue with your principal (which is really another issue, that you also should raise), then you should discuss it with Sam Ison, who has responsibility for the academic support specialists (and the principals). I have received unsolicited emails from teachers in several buildings saying how helpful their academic support specialists are.
 
Enough is enough, I agree with you that we don't want discipline/suspension numbers to improve by intimidating teachers into not reporting incidents. We want the numbers to improve because there are actually fewer incidents. This concern has been discussed with administrators. The check we have on that is an anonymous survey given to all staff members each year. Many questions should be negatively impacted if such intimidation was going on, or if principals were just leaving teachers to deal with discipline on their own without backup or consequences to the students (including, do you feel supported by your building principal, do you feel supported by central office administrators, is their a positive climate in your building, is discipline/behavior improving in your building). Positive responses on these survey questions has gone up each of the last 2-3 years, while suspensions have gone down.
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I am curious about the anonymous survey taken by teachers? It is my understanding that it is not only broken down by building but also by grade level. Does the survey go one step further and break down by subject taught. Probably would not be to difficult to figure out who is filling out the anonymous survey?  Is the survey done by MCSD?

As far as the Academic Support Specialist are concerned maybe a better idea would have been to hire retired teachers with say 25 plus years in the classroom for these positions. I am sure when you send someone with limited to no classroom experience to do this job it will most likely be a disaster. Kinda of like sending someone to teach swimming who cannot swim.

I am in no way anti Middletown born and raised here. Just from what I have experienced in the district it would be nice to see the teachers administrators and the board truly work together to make the district better. But you have to back your teachers for they are on the front lines on a daily basis. Maybe it is high time to introduce some students and parents to the states home schooling options for repeat offenders since Garfield is no longer and option.


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Well, looks like the few in the school community are making preparations to build their school buildings and the funding might be available from the state. Journal story.....

Middletown closer to receiving state facilities funding

MIDDLETOWN —
The Middletown school district is moving up the ranks to receive more than $40 million in state funding for future building projects.

George Long, business manager for Middletown City Schools, said the district’s master plan is currently being updated and will likely come before school board members for a vote on May 20.

The 2013 master plan will “firm up” the long-term facilities plan for the district and include cost estimates for the final 50 percent — which includes building a new middle school, renovating and expanding the high school, and minor renovations of Central Academy and Amanda Elementary.

The Ohio Facilities Construction Commission — through its Classroom Facilities Assistance Program — will fund 26 percent of the “big picture cost,” or $41 million, Long said.

Long said the most recent update he received from the state on April 24 is it’s “probable” Middletown could receive the state share of 26 percent this summer.

“‘Probable’ is a very positive thing,” Long said.

CFAP funding and the priority ranking is based directly on the property wealth of the district, according to Ohio School Facilities Commission.

The district’s overall master plan consists of $157 million in total construction projects, for which Middletown’s local share is 74 percent, or $116 million.

Phases of the master plan were completed in 2003 and 2005 amounting to a $77 million investment by the Middletown school district to build six new elementaries and renovate two, Long said.

The state begins funding in the Top 20 of an eligibility list for its Classroom Facilities Assistance Program. Middletown Treasurer Kelley Thorpe was notified in late March the district had reached the Top 40 mark.

“We’re getting moved up more and more literally every day as (other) districts drop out,” Long said. “The state funds somewhere in the 20 range depending on size and scope” of projects.

Long said the state funding will be used to cover 50 percent of the cost for final master plan projects, which will also include demolition of the current middle school on Girard Avenue, the vacant George M. Verity Middle School and the current Manchester Building at the high school. Long said Manchester classes would be moved inside the high school as part of the expansion.

Long said the state funding would not come in one large sum.

“We have to design the buildings, put them out to bid, enter a contract and then the state transfers money to the district as bills come due,” Long said.

Long said he will present the most recent updates from the Ohio Facilities Construction Commission at the May 6 board of education meeting.

“The board may need to consider a future bond issue,” Long said, but emphasized no monetary amount or timeline has been established yet.

In February, the school board moved to pull its $55 million bond issue off the May 7 ballot to wait on the state process. The district has to collect an additional $40 million in order to fulfill its local-share obligation.

THIS SMALL GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AREN'T GOING TO ASK THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IF THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT. NEVER DO. WE WILL HAVE TO TELL THEM WHEN THE LEVY IS PRESENTED. HOPE EVERYONE VOTES NO. HOPE EVERYONE HAS LEARNED A LESSON CONCERNING ROI FROM THE 45 MILLION DOLLAR BOND APPROVAL FOR THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOLS BUILT YEARS AGO. JUST PROVES THAT NEW FACILITIES PRODUCE LITTLE IMPROVEMENT AND, IN SOME CASES, NO IMPROVEMENT AT ALL.......FOR YEARS. FOLKS, YA GOTTA VOTE NO ON THE ADDITIONAL BUILDINGS. THE SCHOOLS HAVEN'T EARNED THE RIGHT TO ASK FOR MORE NEW BUILDINGS AS THERE HAS BEEN ONLY MINOR PROGRESS TO DATE. HAVE ANY OF YOU SEEN MONUMENTAL GROWTH OUT OF THE ELEMENTARIES AS YET? SCORES AND PERFORMANCE IS ONLY SLIGHTLY BETTER THAN WHEN THE NEW SCHOOLS WERE BUILT, RIGHT? AND THE INDICATORS? THEY HAVE FALLEN FROM 10 TO 6. YOU BE THE JUDGE. THE SCHOOL FOLKS WILL NOT LIKE THIS, BUT IT IS WHAT IT IS. THE NUMBERS DON'T LIE. DO YOU REALLY THINK NEW BUILDINGS WILL MAKE A DIFFERENCE? DID THE NEW ELEMENTARIES MAKE A DIFFERENCE?
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Today's Journal....

Districts use state funds for new construction

School districts nationwide invested more on renovating buildings in 2012 than was spent on building new facilities, according to the 2013 Annual School Construction Report.

Nationally, school districts spent $6.2 billion on new construction — the lowest rate spent on new construction since 1996. However, the investment in renovations or additions to school buildings led to an overall increase in construction costs — up to $12.9 billion from $12.2 billion in 2011, according to the report by School Planning & Management

LOOKS LIKE MIDDLETOWN IS BUCKING THE TREND BY WANTING TO BUILD ALL NEW SCHOOLS.

The Middletown City School District is slated to receive $40 million in state support this summer from the Ohio Facilities Construction Commission to build a new middle school and renovate and expand its high school facility. A local share of $55 million will need to be raised.

“We made a conscious decision to re-utilize the walls and existing spaces,” said George Long, joint business manager for the Monroe and Middletown districts. “The community had a facilities committee that reviewed the high school and determined it was more economical to renovate and expand.”

DON'T UNDERSTAND. THE NUMBER ENROLLED IN THE MIDDLETOWN CITY SCHOOLS HAS DECREASED OVER THE LAST TWO OR SO DECADES. WHY THE NEED FOR MORE SPACE? FEWER KIDS MEANS LESS SPACE NEEDED, RIGHT?

In 2006, Middletown spent around $78 million to construct six new elementary schools and renovate two additional elementary facilities.

“Middletown did a great job of building brick facilities with metal roofs to last,” Long said

ENVELOPE PLEASE.....AND THE ACADEMIC RESULTS FOR THE 78 MILLION SPENT TO BUILD THOSE NEW ELEMENTARIES AFTER MANY YEARS ARE?..........DID IT HELP TO DO THIS, RESULTS WISE?

School board members have discussed the possibility for a new two-story middle school to be built alongside the high school on its 45-acre site on Breiel Boulevard, or building a new school on the 39-acre site at the former George M. Verity Middle School on Johns Road

AND WHAT WOULD THE RESULTS BE IF THESE SCHOOLS WERE BUILT? THE SAME AS THE ELEMENTARY RESULTS PERHAPS? YOU CONTINUE TO BUILD, BUT YOU DON'T PRODUCE AN EQUIVALENT RESULT FOR THE MONEY SPENT. SO WHAT IS THE REAL REASON FOR YOUR OBSESSION WITH NEW SCHOOLS?

JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE GETTING FREE STATE (TAXPAYER) MONEY SHOULDN'T AUTOMATICALLY TRIGGER THE PROCESS FOR A LEVY OR THE NEED TO BUILD ALL NEW BUILDINGS. FREE MONEY GONNA BURN A HOLE IN YOUR POCKET, IS IT? LIKE KIDS IN A CANDY STORE WHEN FREE MONEY IS THROWN AT YOU.....YOU WANT EVERYTHING IN THE STORE.

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Vet, 

The one thing that would result would be the closing and demolition of Vail. Ive done work in that building over the summers of 2010-2012. No modern AC or cooling and it was pretty much hell (no pun intended). I could see a new middle school helping the students so they do not have to suffer heat stroke until fall / winter arrives.  

Just my two cents.  
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Originally posted by itsamee itsamee wrote:

Vet, 

The one thing that would result would be the closing and demolition of Vail. Ive done work in that building over the summers of 2010-2012. No modern AC or cooling and it was pretty much hell (no pun intended). I could see a new middle school helping the students so they do not have to suffer heat stroke until fall / winter arrives.  

Just my two cents.  


Ok, fair enough. I get the fact that in today's world, society tends to want to make it as comfy and cozy as we can for the kids. But let's back up a bit in this discussion. I went to summer school at the old high school (Vail) in the 60's. No air then either. Classrooms were hot and the fans were blowing at top speed, not really doing anything but stirring the hot air around. Same was true for the kids in classes through the 70's, 80's, 90's and 2000's. We all survived. No one (that I know of) died from the heat. It was uncomfortable but we all made it and moved on. I guess my question is, what makes the new breed of student deserve the comforts of home any more than the previous generations of students? A little hardship in life builds character. Why is it now imperative that we spoil the new kids and no one gave it a thought as to the comfort of those who came before? Are they more special?
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Vet,

You are like a broken record, Do you have AC at your place of business?  What the hell for? Just sit there and sweat your a** off.  When I was in school we didn't have AC either.  Schools nowadays are more modernized to keep up with the times.  that's just a fact of life.  Your constant crabbing about the Elementary being built and the academic results not making the leaps and bounds as you wish is getting old.  I never heard anyone promise that the academic grade would rise substantially by building new schools. 

VET: "LOOKS LIKE MIDDLETOWN IS BUCKING THE TREND BY WANTING TO BUILD ALL NEW SCHOOLS."

Your above statement is false.  Middletown is planning on build one new Middle school and renovating the High School.  And yes when the money becomes available from the state you form a reasonable plan to use that money as you never know when the money will come around again, if ever.  Now can you move on to some productive issues, other than Movie theaters and Middle Schools and High Schools.

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Pac,need to ask more questions.There is talk about building a New High School.
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PAC:

"Your constant crabbing about the Elementary being built and the academic results not making the leaps and bounds as you wish is getting old."

CHANGE THE RESULTS AND I'LL STOP THE CRABBING. HOW LONG WILL YOU GIVE THEM TO SHOW ANY REAL IMPROVEMENT PAC? .....YOUR CHOICE, JOIN THE REST OF THE SUPPORTERS OF THE SCHOOLS AND ACCEPT SLOW, ALMOST NON-EXISTENT PROGRESS OVER THE LAST FEW DECADES, OR CALL IT LIKE IT IS AND SEE THE NUMBERS EACH YEAR AFTER PROFICIENCY TESTING AND SEE THE PERCENTAGES EITHER STAY THE SAME OR IMPROVE BY A PERCENT OR TWO. IT IS WHAT IT IS PAC. NO DENYING THE NUMBERS. MY STATEMENTS MAY BE "GETTING OLD" PAC, BUT SO IS THE PERFORMANCE VERSUS EFFORT AND COST. WE KEEP PLOWING MONEY INTO A SYSTEM THAT IS NOT PRODUCING COMPARABLE RESULTS. ARE THE SCHOOLS A GOOD RETURN ON INVESTMENT IN YOUR OPINION. I THINK NOT. CONGRATULATIONS. YOU HAVE NOW JOINED THE GROUP THAT IS IN DENIAL.

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"Now can you move on to some productive issues, other than Movie theaters and Middle Schools and High Schools".

THANK YOU FOR ALIGNING MY PRIORITIES HERE. I'LL TAKE YOUR SUGGESTION UNDER ADVISEMENT. (SEE THE DIE HARD MOVIE FOR REFERENCE)

YOU SOUND A LITTLE BITTER BUD. GOT SOME NEWS FOR YOU. YOU ARE CONVERSING WITH A PERSON WHO IS JUST AS BITTER WITH LIFE RIGHT NOW AS YOU SEEM TO BE. JUST DIFFERENT REASONS FOR THE BITTERNESS. WE BOTH MOVE ON.

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Vet, 

I'm shooting from the hip here. I have done work as a contractor at the schools (here and in other districts), so I have limited knowledge. I do know that ratios have changed and are on the verge of 30:1. That means there are 30 kids pre every teacher per classroom.  In the early 2000's when I started it was 24:1 in most districts.  Add a few more bodies (some of which sweat or provide a little more funk) and you raise the temps.  

Other than that, yes, I went to school in the 90's in a building that had no AC, and I do remember how unpleasant it was at the time.  who knows, maybe I would have done better had I not had hot conditions... I dont know.  
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Vet Again, 

I am not a school apologist, I promise.  But, Improvement is hard to track when the state keeps changing the rules. What do you use as a benchmark?  Standardized test scores? If so, you are about to see a huge drop as the state recently changed the rules again.  


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Originally posted by itsamee itsamee wrote:

Vet Again, 

I am not a school apologist, I promise.  But, Improvement is hard to track when the state keeps changing the rules. What do you use as a benchmark?  Standardized test scores? If so, you are about to see a huge drop as the state recently changed the rules again.  




Agree, the state keeps changing the rules. We also know that the state changes the rules for EVERY school district including the ones who are struggling like Middletown has been for years. Given the fact that the changes are the same for every district, how do we explain why some districts seem to do well with the constant adjustment to the changes and others seem to use the changes as a means to explain the inability to do well? The last article I saw mentioned that Hamilton is similar to Middletown in demograhics, yet Hamilton has made improvements that Middletown has yet to see. Look at the test scores....look at the indicator numbers. Wonder why? Can't use rich district/poor district- parents care/parents don't care arguments in this case. The only thing left is effective methods of instruction and effort, right?
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Originally posted by itsamee itsamee wrote:

Vet, 

I'm shooting from the hip here. I have done work as a contractor at the schools (here and in other districts), so I have limited knowledge. I do know that ratios have changed and are on the verge of 30:1. That means there are 30 kids pre every teacher per classroom.  In the early 2000's when I started it was 24:1 in most districts.  Add a few more bodies (some of which sweat or provide a little more funk) and you raise the temps.  

Other than that, yes, I went to school in the 90's in a building that had no AC, and I do remember how unpleasant it was at the time.  who knows, maybe I would have done better had I not had hot conditions... I dont know.  


The ratio was 30:1 in the 60's in my classes. Effectiveness of learning was better back then due to rigid class rules, structure and the discipline factor missing in today's classrooms.
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All I know having lived  in Springboro is that some parents won't be happy until the classroom has a ratio of 1:1  LOL
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Vet, 
I can certainly agree on the lack of classroom policies. I often wonder why they tie teachers hands in the classroom. When I was in school, they gave us the boot.


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Originally posted by itsamee itsamee wrote:

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I can certainly agree on the lack of classroom policies. I often wonder why they tie teachers hands in the classroom. When I was in school, they gave us the boot.




From what I have heard/read from the folks who have kids in school now is that when a teacher does call an admin. to the classroom to handle a student, who can't seem to obey the rules, they take the student down to the office and before the teacher can continue teaching, they return the student to the class. IF...IF this is correct info., what kind of example did that set for the problem kid and for the kids who witnessed the return to class? Kinda takes the intimidation out of any semblence of discipline program the schools would have, wouldn't it? No wonder the kids just laugh at any attempt to control the classrooms.

Teachers should have support (don't care for their union). It would appear that the new method of classroom instruction is to place all the pressure on the teacher to not only teach but to force them to deal with a problem kid who has been returned to the classroom. Too much for one person to handle and still be effective. Admin. should offer the support needed to maintain a steady learning environment in the classroom by handling the disruptions. Removal and quick return does nothing to solve the issue IMO. Examples, sometimes harsh, need to be made for the system to gain respect.
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You have heard correct as to problem students being returned to the classroom almost immediately. Until the school board grows a pair and they hire administrators who have a pair you will never see test scores go up. The simple fact of the matter is the students run the school. They know that no matter what they do or how poorly they perform on tests they are going to be moved on to the next grade level. This explains why a student in 8th grade only reads on a 3rd grade level. No accountability from the students or the parents. These kids are learning how to live off the system. Free breakfast and now free lunch and no school fees. I'm just wondering if all the high school students will now be eligible to take college entrance exams for free? I know as a fact that there are students who get a voucher to take the test. With all the federal money the district is going to be collecting maybe they can do all the building they want to and not have to pass  a levy.  Seen this for years with my own two eyes.


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