Hydraulic Canal
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Printed Date: May 13 2024 at 9:04pm
Topic: Hydraulic Canal
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Subject: Hydraulic Canal
Date Posted: Oct 02 2010 at 6:23pm
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Hydraulic Canal In an effort to move downstream the Aeronca discharge into the canal, the City has hired aconsultant to design the Aeronca discharge pipe relocation and any associated pump station modifications needed. The initial phase of this project was included in the 2010 budget and was one of the goals for the engineering department. Work with Aeronca has been slowed due to the retirement of the exec with whom we were working. The plan is to continue the design project with the company’s approval once we make contact with the new CFO.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 03 2010 at 6:41am
| And what has happened since this report came out? |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 5:45am
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We were told last year that this project was to be completed in 2010. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 6:56am
| Vivian, you jump from one topic to the next just trying to find fault with everything. When you got shot down on the Section 8 and Nelson & Associates issue it is on to the next tirade, the Hydraulic Canal. What will it be next week back to the Cemetery? |
Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 7:36am
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Vivian
Negative, negative, negative. If you don't like the way things are going at the City do something about it! Run for office next year. |
Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 8:00am
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Unfounded...character...assassinations...of...Miss...Vivian??
Who...are...these...anonymous...critics...anyway??
What...are...their...credentials...to...judge...her??
Why...doesn't...Miss...Vivian...hide...her...identity...like...them??
Too...bad..Miss...Vivian...isn't...serving...Ward...2...on...the...City...Council.
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Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 8:40am
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Nelson
I did not question Vivian's character. I merely made an observation about her strong tendency to be negative. I then issued her a challenge to run for office. From what I have read of your posts, if anyone is engaging in character assassination it is you. |
Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 9:11am
| I just have one question. Nelson, what's with your posts lately and all the dots in between your words? |
Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 12:29pm
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Predictable...responses.
I...trust...that...the...truth...is...confirmed...regarding...City...waste...&...mismanagement.
I...commend...Randy...Lewis...Miss...Vivian...VietVet...Mike...Presta...SpiderJohn...Hermes.
They...and...other...MiddletownUSA...participants...truly...care...about...Middletown...Ohio.
They...seek...and...expect...improvement...not...the...perpetuation...of...the...status...quo.
The...odds...are...staked...against...those...who...try...to...reveal...the...truth.
Any...predictions...as...to...the...condition...of...Middletown...in...five...years?
Will...circumstances...in...Middletown...remain...the...same...be...worse...or...be...better?
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 12:36pm
| Mtown/Neil- the "finding fault with everything" is warranted by most citizens of this community. Past history decisions and the current climate of the town seems to bring out the frustration in the citizens. Tell us what frustrates you concerning the decisions made by the folks running this town. Certainly you both don't endorse everything that is done in this town do you? There must be something that irritates you with respect to the past/current directions taken in town. Would be interested in hearing what has been done/ what is in the planning that you disagree with. Just as you may be sick and tired of hearing the complaining/finding fault on this site, some of us are sick and tired of your attempts at character assasination of participants who care what happens to this town. Do you care? You have not demonstrated it by your constant criticism of the people on this site. If you disagree with us, offer some info. to sway us. To date, you have offered nothing to persuade us to support the city leaders. |
Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 12:46pm
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Thanks...VietVet.
You...speak...the...truth.
You...are...driven...only...by...the...love...of...your...city.
Thanks...again...for...your...service.
Your...dear...wife...remains...in...our...thoughts...and...prayers.
It...is...an...honor...to...know...you!
I...feel...the...same...about...Miss...Vivian...as...well.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 3:00pm
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Ahh Wasteful
You haven't shot me down on Section 8. I'm waiting on more info from other sources. I'm not buying the bad addresses and bad phone numbers (Crap) from CONSOC to TIG.
QUESTION: How is TIG setting up appointments if they do not have the correct phone number..and while they have them on the phone wouldn't they confirm the address that they are going to inspect? When Leon Jackson did the inspections he worked as many hours as needed per week to keep the inspections current. |
Posted By: Rhodes
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 5:06pm
| I guess if we want to get inside the head of Mtown, it's ok to come on this message board and be negative towards people posting, but don't dare be negative with criticism of the city government. Mtown is a typical hypocrite. |
Posted By: Mtown
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 8:33pm
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Rhodes
I have challenged people to backup their assertions and charges with supporting facts. I have questioned why some are constantly negative. I can be critical of the City or anyone or organization. I just think charges without facts to support them are a waste of time. Constant negativity is just as big a waste of time. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 9:17pm
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I also wonder what's up with Nelson's dots. Are you using some sort of voice recognition software or something? |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 10:00pm
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Charges with out facts!!! Here are some facts for you, Middletown has 68% of Buter counties section 8, 1662 vouchers ...FACT!! 5 businesses in Middletown closed in the past 5 months, just that I know of....FACT!!!
Shall I name a few more things that have people upset with Middletown? How about you name some things that are going great in this town. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: Hermes
Date Posted: Oct 04 2010 at 11:49pm
Gees I feel left out. 
I'm the biggest pessimistic SOB on this board and believe that city hall is so full of corruption that some people down there make the MOB look like boy scouts and Mtown goes and picks on Vivian. Apperantly Mtown never reads my post. 
What up Mtown ?  Bust a move dawg ! ------------- No more democrats no more republicans,vote Constitution Party !! |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 11:32am
Vivian you continue to try and confuse the issues. Consoc and the City have a contract is one issue. TIG and the City have a contract that is another issue. If you listen to the council meetings since last Spring I am pretty sure you will find that the issues with Consoc involve more than just bad addresses and phone numbers.
What Leon Jackson did is immaterial to any of the above issues.
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Vivian Moon wrote:Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 11:48am
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Wasteful - Adkins was the one that brought up the wrong numbers and address. So there fore it is an issue between the city and Consoc. I also feel if there was a 3rd party investigation into the manner you would see the city was making sure that they did not get along with Consoc. JMO - you will see a huge lawsuit, they were holding consoc up to the new agreement that had not been enforce as of yet. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 12:33pm
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From Letter dated May 11, 2010, from Mr. Adkins to Consoc: "Address Mistakes:
Consoc Response: At the December 28, 2009 meeting, Consoc was told that the City needed to have this information in a format where Street, Avenue, Drive, Boulevard, Lane, etc. should be abbreviated based upon the post office approved abbreviation list. It was agreed at the meeting that Consoc, on a monthly basis, would abbreviate the above mentioned address information as participants were re-certified. To expedite the correcting process, Consoc used the find and replace command in excel so that the list given to the City would be in compliance with the City’s request. In Consoc’s recollection, the overall tone of the meeting was that the addresses and spellings were correct. Consoc was requested to abbreviate certain words to conform to the City’s format. To date, Consoc is unaware of the approximate 300 addresses that are incorrect. Consoc is requesting that the City forward the 300 addresses to us so that they can be corrected before the next submission to the City. City Answer: Consoc and Foo San from the City Information Systems Department are actively working on resolving the address issues and it appears as of the date of this letter that Consoc has made initials repairs in the system during the first week of May 2010, which is acceptable to the City." Bobby if you read my response above and I quote, "If you listen to the council meetings since last Spring I am pretty sure you will find that the issues with Consoc involve more than just bad addresses and phone numbers." I never said it wasn't an issue, I simply stated that there were many other issues than just the addresses. In the May 11, 2010, Letter I believe it addressed 18-20 issues.
Why in the world would we want to spend money we don't have on a Third Party investigation of this issue. Talk about a complete waste of money and time. This Section 8 mess with an administrator has dragged on for almost 3 years now and I think most of you are missing the big picture here, which is the reduction of Section 8 Voucher holders in Middletown. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 12:41pm
| Bobby If they are terminated according to the "Convenience Clause" I doubt they will sue. |
Posted By: Bobbie
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 2:54pm
| Wasteful - I never said we should get one - I said if there was one. I know there are more issues then the address situation. By the way were we still having the address issue over the summer - or had this been taken care of? But it always takes two to tango - and I really do not think the city management ever wanted to tango with Consoc. Therefore if the city has in any part mishandled anything they will be sued. Don't get me wrong - I am not a fan of Consoc or the abundance of vouchers we have in Middletown - however, I don't like to people fired for wrong reasons. Especially if the firing does not get rid of the problem. I think you will see - we still have the problem, getting rid of Consoc is not the fix we need. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 3:15pm
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Vivian, you jump from one topic to the next just trying to find fault with everything. When you got shot down on the Section 8 and Nelson & Associates issue it is on to the next tirade, the Hydraulic Canal. What will it be next week back to the Cemetery?...wasteful Well Wasteful I didn’t receive your email informing me that I was only allowed to speak or have an opinion on one subject on this blog. So please share all your info about when the canal problem was to be completed.
Ahhhh yes so you want to go back to the Section 8 issue. Since you are sooo well informed...Did you know that CONSOC set up the majority of all Section 8 Programs in the State of Ohio? So please Wasteful show me a company that is more qualified. In fact the second reading of the Middletown Cemetery Board goes before City Council tonight. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 3:43pm
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Vivian you continue to try and confuse the issues. Consoc and the City have a contract is one issue. TIG and the City have a contract that is another issue. If you listen to the council meetings since last Spring I am pretty sure you will find that the issues with Consoc involve more than just bad addresses and phone numbers. Wasteful I may only have three little grey cell but even I understand that the City has two seperate contracts. In the What Leon Jackson did is immaterial to any of the above issues...Wasteful Wasteful this will remain a problem with the program if the City continues to use an outside inspection firm...You need a quick turn around time to make this program run smoothly. |
Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 5:37pm
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Thanks..Miss..Vivian..&..Bobbie.
For..those..who..can't..or..refuse..understanding..my..prior..posts..here's..a..few..tidbits..to..recontemplate:
A)..Before..I..began..working..for..the..City..in..January..2007..senior..Planning..Department..staff:
1)..did..not..to.have..Housing..Code..Inspectors..concern..themselves..with..Section..8..properties;
2)..CONSOC..was..responsible..to..ensure..compliance..with..the..International..Property..Maintenance..Code;
3)..In..early..2007..I..changed..this..policy..so..that..Housing..Code..Inspectors..would..note..code..issues;
4)..In..a..number..of..instances..I..would..call..Sandra..Joseph..when..a..problem..might..arise.
5)..In..each..and..every..instance..she..and..her..staff..promptly..corrected..any..problems.
6)..In..the..second..half..of..2007..I..requested..and..began..receiving..monthly..databases..from..CONSOC.
7)..These..electronically..reproducible..spreadsheets..listed..of..all..Section..8..tenants..and..addresses.
8)..In..early..2008....I..requested..and..began..receiving..other..monthly..databases..from..CONSOC.
9)..These..electronically..reproducible..spreadsheets..listed..of..all..Section..8..landlords..and..addresses.
10)..Both..of..these..spreadsheets..were..forwarded..to..the..following..City..departments..as..they..arrived.
11)..Marty..Kohler/Finance..Department/Law..Department/Police..Department/City..Manager/Etc.
Certain..senior..City..staff..also..talk..about..inadequate..background..checks..and..tenant..screening.
I..must..remind..them..that..I..held..meetings..with..CONSOC..and..the..Police..Department..about..this.
These..early..2008..discussions..led..to..improved..and..mutually..acceptable..means..of..screening.
Sandra..Joseph..&..Harrison..Joseph..plus..Sargeant..Cunningham..&..other..Police..staff..took..part.
How..funny..it..is..that..three..years..after..the..fact..certain..City..staff..bellyaches..about..bad..addresses..etc.
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 6:30pm
I think you may be confusing the Admin Plan and the Contractual Agreement, they are two different things. The Admin plan is not an agreement it is an operational plan for operating the Section 8 program. Did not Mr. Adkins not get in touch with HUD concerning the Admin Plan and Consoc?
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 7:01pm
How....funny....it....is....that....for....2....to....3....years....after....
the....fact....Nelson....as....himself....for....a....change....
bellyaches....about....everything....to....do....with....his....old....job.
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 7:29pm
| Go read tonights Council workbook pages 17 through 27 to refresh your mind on the circus from 2 weeks ago about terminating Consoc. It is easier to read and understand the issue rather than to go through all of the melodramatics from the actual meeting. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 8:20pm
I would think that by the City doing the initial inspections in house as was discussed this would speed up the inspection issue. Also with TIG hiring a local inspector should help with the speed of the inspections.
I still don't understand why you are stuck on one issue, the inspections, when tonights workbook outlines about 15 issues the city has with Consoc.
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Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 9:15pm
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Wasteful,
Not..one..single..fact..that..I;ve..shared..with..MiddletownUSA..readers..has..ever..been..refuted..by..City..staff.
Not..one..single..fact.
As..for..you..it's..my..opinion..that..you..must..be..a..fairly..high..ranking..City..employee.
In..any..event..your..efforts..to..disrupt..the..MiddletownUSA..blog..are..failing.
You're..nothing..more..than..a..mean..uninformed..saboteur..of..open..andtransparent..government..here.
If..you're..such..a..relevant..and..informative..contributor..please..provide..any..facts..to..the..contrary.
Until..that..great..day..arrives..you're..nothing..more..than..an..anonymous..shill..for..Miss..Judy..Etc.
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Posted By: Nelson...Himself
Date Posted: Oct 05 2010 at 9:24pm
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Being..forced..out..of..my..job..with..the..City..has..caused..me..great..financial..and..psychological..consequences.
The..issue..is..not..how..senior..City..staff..can..jettison..mid-level..managers..from..their..jobs.
It's..all..about..providing..insight..as..to..the..motives..biases..arrogance..and..ineffectiveness..of..certain..senior..City..staff.
Thaaaaaaaaaaaaat's...all...Wasteful.
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Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 8:54am
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Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 9:21am
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wow-I just don't see wasteful as being mean-spirited or a city shill, though I honestly don't know Wasteful's identity. His(?) opinions seem as sensible and valid as any others.
I seriously value Mr.Self's sharing of insider info and protocol during his employment period.
The Section 8 situation is going to be difficult, and MAYBE we should give Mr.Adkins time to implement his plan. Hopefully it will work, and not add to increased municipal staffing.
Watched very little of last night's meeting--and what I watched was pitiful.
Still--the citizens voted these Councilmembers in--and only the citizens can replace them.
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 12:44pm
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Not trying to disrupt anything. Just stating things as I see it. I think Adkins may have a viable plan to reduce Section 8 Voucher Holders in Middletown and would like to see it at least put into action soon...Wasteful
HUD will not allow |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 1:38pm
Vivian, I did not say reduce the number of Vouchers in Middletown. I said "viable plan to reduce Section 8 Voucher Holders in Middletown....." This is two different matters. Mr. Adkins made it quite clear that HUD would not reduce the voucher numbers at this time, so lets move forward with the plan he has laid out and modified. I fail to understand your reluctance to reduce the number of Voucher Holders in Middletown and thus reduce the excessive amount of poverty making the city more approachable by outside businesses in the retail and service industries. It seems that all you are interested in is what you can find wrong with this issue next. Will it work not sure, but one thing we do know for sure is that what the city has been doing for the last 15 years sure has not been working to move the city forward at all.
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Posted By: Neil Barille
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 2:35pm
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Wasteful, I think Vivian is doing a great job by not bowing down to the popular sentiment against S8. We need affordable housing for all. Actually, I believe having free housing is an inalienable human right. |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 2:53pm
Here you go Neil, some more like minded individuals like yourself, 
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 3:08pm
Affordable housing for all.- No Neil, let 'em go out and work for it like we all have to and pay the going price for that housing. No discounts- no reduced amounts, no special rates for being "underpriviledged" (aka -lazy) What?? FREE housing is an inalienable human right (in this case provided by the wages of the working taxpayer while they continue to sponge off of societies welfare programs) Who says so Neil? You have managed to astound us with this incredible comment. Congratulations. Anyone want to dignify old Neil's statement with a response? |
Posted By: wasteful
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 3:18pm
| Not worth a reponse Vet. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Oct 06 2010 at 4:53pm
OK, when will YOU start making MY house payment???
Actually, I agree!!! Make yourself right at home in the nearest cozy cave...or up in any nice tree. You have a "right" to a "home" like one of those--at least until some more fit creature decides that he/she/it has a greater, more inalienable right to that same home. Then it is "survival of the fittest".
(They might ask you to stick around "for dinner" though.) ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Oct 07 2010 at 3:36am
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I fail to understand your reluctance to reduce the number of Voucher Holders in
Wasteful I have NEVER stated that I was for Section 8 Housing. It’s not my job to reduce Section 8 here in I’m tired of hearing that the Section 8 problem is the fault of landlords, tenants and Consoc, while those that caused the problem are STILL sitting at City Hall. Why are we making all these demands on Section 8 landlords about their property while we allow the slumlords house next door remain the same or the dirty business property down the street? |
Posted By: angelababy
Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 9:44pm
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Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Nov 17 2010 at 11:11pm
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Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 1:42am
| Yeah I agree 409. I think she is a "bot". They are on all forums, unless they AI can't get though the sign up process (you know, where you have to spell out 2 different words, etc). Usually bots spam or something but this bot seems to copy/paste stuff from older posts. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 7:40am
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I have suspended their account while I look into this, I am not sure if they are a bot, some of the post are real comments made and others are just jibberish. Again I am looking into this. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 9:53am
| Thanks randy!!! If you notice on some of the real looking posts, if you scroll up and check out previous posts, you will see it is a direct copy/paste. I noticed this weeks ago. I would be thinking, I KNOW someone said EXACTLY this not long ago.. :) |
Posted By: gemneye70
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 11:05am
| She always says, "Thanks so much for the wonderful information you provided us." But last time I think there was a typo...WTF? |
Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 11:59am
| You never know.. sometimes that is done on purpose. I have come across many a bot. Some scripts get pretty elaborate. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 2:34pm
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Bots have gotten smarter, but the main reason for a bot on sites like this is to spam, that does not seem to be happening. I dont get it but we should not see anything from them anymore, if they email and ask what happened I will go from there. ------------- Call me for a www.CameraSecurityNow.com" rel="nofollow - www.CameraSecurityNow.com quote 513-422-1907 x357 |
Posted By: viper771
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 4:54pm
| Sounds like a good plan Randy. I/we all appreciate it!! If it were me, I would test a bot on a site like this... and make it not so obivious that it isn't a bot. I am glad you took care of it :) |
Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Nov 18 2010 at 5:48pm
| Thanks Randy! |