SECTION 8
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Printed Date: May 06 2024 at 8:22pm
Topic: SECTION 8
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Subject: SECTION 8
Date Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 3:43pm
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Posted: 1:00 p.m. Sunday, July 21, 2013
City awaits response from Section 8 reviewBy http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/" rel="nofollow - Michael D. Pitman Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — Now that the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development has conducted its on-site Civil Rights Compliance review of the city’s Section 8 program, the only thing the city can do is wait.
Investigators with HUD came to the city Tuesday to review the Middletown Public Housing Agency’s Housing Choice Voucher Program, commonly referred to as Section 8. They finished the on-site investigation Thursday. HUD officials are not commenting on the review. “We are in the middle of a review of compliance with a civil rights law. We are not at liberty to discuss our investigation, the subjects or the timing,” said HUD spokeswoman Shantae Goodloe. City officials said HUD has not disclosed any type of timetable for a response. The review is on the heels of the MPHA board, which consists of the seven-member City Council, deciding to reduce its Section 8 voucher allocation by 1,008 over the next four to five years. The city’s justification is the city can only support 654 Section 8 vouchers within the public housing agency’s program. The plan approved by way of a 6-1 vote by MPHA indicates that the 1,662 vouchers represents 49.8 percent of all subsidized housing in the city, and 14.3 percent of all available housing. The reduction in Section 8 vouchers would reduce all subsidized housing in the city to 10 percent of all available housing. According to its May 31 letter to the city, Carolyn Murphy, HUD’s Columbus Fair Housing Center director, told the city the review will cover the administration of the Section 8 program and consists of reviewing documents and conducting interviews. The review will be carried out in two phases, Murphy wrote: an on-site review, which has been conducted, and an in-house review of data pertaining to the program. The on-site review consisted of interviews of MPHA staff, city officials, and local advocacy groups, as well as collecting, analyzing and verifying data and documents. The city had prepared 1,000 pages worth of documents. HUD requested a lengthy list of data, information and materials, which was due by June 27. CONTINUING COVERAGE The Middletown Journal is committed to reporting the news that affects your community. The debate between the city’s efforts to reduce Section 8 vouchers and the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development will have an impact on the ultimate outcome, and you will hear about this outcome first with The Middletown Journal. |
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Posted By: Pacman
Date Posted: Jul 21 2013 at 5:58pm
| We are now in "wait 'n see" mode and hoping for the best!! |
Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 10:30am
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someone n eeds to show HUD this video about the truth of Section 8. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1375594134" rel="nofollow - http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=1f8_1375594134
or http://www.700wlw.com/pages/EddieTracy.html?article=11560550&fb_action_ids=10151769944833960&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B10151769944833960%3A666842933345297%7D&action_type_map=%7B10151769944833960%3Aog.recommends%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D" rel="nofollow - http://www.700wlw.com/pages/EddieTracy.html?article=11560550&fb_action_ids=10151769944833960&fb_action_types=og.recommends&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151769944833960%22%3A666842933345297%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151769944833960%22%3A%22og.recommends%22%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D
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Posted By: swohio75
Date Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 12:25pm
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Wonder if this will have any impact.. http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2013/08/09/hud-proposes-plan-to-racially-economically-integrate-neighborhoods
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 12:59pm
| ktf1179: That was sickening.That is criminal damaging. He can get them removed from the program as they should be. |
Posted By: Historic House Guy
Date Posted: Aug 11 2013 at 4:27pm
| So loosing these vouchers; what are they trying to achieve? I guess I don't get it. |
Posted By: ktf1179
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 8:30am
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By reducing the number of Section 8 Vouchers, Middletown hopes to reduces the type of population that typically increases crime, and strain our cities services. And overall drives down our cities property values. The only reason the city of Middleotwn agreed to Section 8 in the first place was for federal $$$ for their pet projects, and now they are leaning the consequences of their decision. |
Posted By: acclaro
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 9:33am
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What's wrong with this city? More time, effort, and money has been expended driving out Section 8, than bringing in, new businesses and residents. Doug Adkins salary is paid for by fed money, while he is reducing vouchers and inviting lawsuits into Middletown. The old adage, careful, not to bite the hand that feeds you----seems rather prophetic? When AK Steel and the union were going through their union negotiations and strike, the city would not get involved, made no effort to take a position one way or another, which is understandable. But, for the past years, they are socially re-engineering every aspect of city living, from Section 8 vouchers, buying property, bailing Thatcher estate out of debt, passing buildings to friends and colleagues, throwing money at MMF, with no accountability nor objectives defined. They have spent $500,000 keeping grass low around the fairway at Weatherwax while keeping it high, on the streets on every corner of the city streets. Red is green, white is black, and up is down....in the rudderless city called Middletown. BTW HHG----you never want to bu property in downtown, you want them to give it to you via a lease, as they pay no taxes. Let them make you a deal where you lease property from them for $1 annually. Heck, you might be able to get office space up with the MCSD board and administrators, use their closets to store your floor wood stripper(s) and such. ------------- 'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill |
Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 10:59am
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Acclaro, Back in 2008 a few months after the arrival of J. Gilleland, she became fixated with using as many Federal dollars as possible to undertake a massive property demolition program in older neighborhoods. To do this, housing rehabilitation efforts were minimalized; they did have some cosmetic efforts though. Next, there's the NSP fiasco where millions were squandered outside of Ward 2 and part of Ward 1 where they were most needed. Most recently, Federal dollars craftily shifted around to enable the demolition of 350 properties. This further reduced funding allocated to the city to address increasing needs in the Wards named above. Not much is known about efforts of a couple of city employees working out of the basement of city hall to attack CONSOC who then administered the S8 program. They constantly bit the ankles of J. Gilleland with the hopes of getting rid of them. In fact, one of these employees, someone very, very much in the know now, was directed by his supervisor to stop concerning himself with S8 issues and CONSOC. Note: there's a lot more to this that may be revealed later. Acclaro, so much staff time and administrative money has been spent on S8 matters. The other consideration is the disgusting waste of Federal dollars and failed efforts to stem the tide of deterioration and disinvestment in older neighborhoods. You're correct once again in pointing out the array of missed opportunities in furthering economic development and badly needed quality job growth. Thanks to Judy, Doug, City Council, etc., Middletown has lost five years of possibilities for a better community in favor of downtown, property demolition, Section 8, etc. A sad story. Thanks to people like Vivian Moon, you, etc., there may be hope for better times in the future. Keep up the good work. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 11:49am
| The reason JUDY was brought here was to get rid of SEC 8. So she came in loaded for bear. The problem was she did not do her homework first. She knew nothing about Sec 8 or how it worked, so she started something she had no idea how to win.So she "winged" it while bragging how she was going to get rid of it. Well, you know the rest of the story.She's being REAL quiet right now because her name is at the head of the list " Executive Director Of Middletown Public Housing". How's that working for you? |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 12:18pm
| I hope that they give them to Butler County. If that happens Mr.A will loose one of his checks he doesn't deserve. |
Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 6:22pm
I had reason to be at the courthouse in Hamilton earlier today, and I overheard two guys talking about Middletown City officials. (I don't know who the two guys were, but they had cheap suits and beady eyes, so I guess they were lawyers.  )
One told the other that Landen and the other high muckety-mucks from Middletown City Hall were planning on hiding behind the fifth amendment when called to testify before HUD. ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 12 2013 at 8:15pm
Hmmmm Hmmmm  This is getting REAL INTERESTING!!!
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 13 2013 at 11:25am
There is a housing meeting Thursday at 4:30 at the city building may be we all should show up to see what they have to say about the current situation. 
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 12:52pm
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Over the Hill
Hmmm....I thought the MPHA meeting wasn't until next Tuesday just before the council meeting. Surly those at City Hall aren't trying to hide something from us. Is HUD still in town? Will this meeting be live on TV Middletown? Does the Middletown Journal know about this meeting? |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 4:05pm
| There will a meeting at the city building in the chamber I think. It's at 4:30 today. They will probably take it to executive session so no one knows what's said. Does Sunshine laws cover that? Just wondering. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 9:04pm
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Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 9:14pm
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Hmmm...did City Hall forget to notify the public about this public meeting? |
Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Aug 15 2013 at 10:14pm
Judy and Dougie have always been staunch supporters of their own "unique brand" of community participation??  How pathetic and certainly not what the mainstream of our country is about. So sad that the MJ is also complicit in filtering and sanitizing the so-called news that's in their little paper.
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Posted By: Mike_Presta
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 3:30am
 ------------- “Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012 |
Vivian Moon wrote:Posted By: 409
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 8:11pm
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From MJ: City meets in executive session about potential litigation By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/" rel="nofollow - Staff Writer
MIDDLETOWN — After an abundance of correspondence from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, the city’s public housing agency held an unscheduled closed-door meeting Thursday afternoon. It wasn’t unexpected HUD would shine a spotlight on the city following its October 2012-approved plan to reduce the number of Housing Choice Vouchers, also known as Section 8, by 1,008 over a five-year period. And despite subsequent letters from HUD asking the city to reconsider, the city is staying the course — a course of action many on council said they believe is right. “I am concerned about the many hoops HUD is making us jump through,” said Vice Mayor Dan Picard. “I’m not surprised by the requests of the other programs that we have. We’re rattling their cage and they’re rattling back.” Councilwoman Ann Mort said she also isn’t surprised by HUD’s responses and chalked it up as “part of the way we work through all of this.” The process, Mort said, is moving slowly, but “it’s like everything in government that grinds slowly, and that’s one of the things we have to wade through.” MPHA, which consists of all seven members of city council, called for the executive session meeting on the second floor of the Middletown City Building. The purpose of the meeting was for “disputes involving the public body that are the subject of pending or imminent court action,” according to the only notice of the meeting, which was published among the legal ads in Wednesday’s Middletown Journal. No discussion happened before or after the close-door session, and no decisions were made, according to City Manager Judy Gilleland. Picard, who said he couldn’t talk about Thursday’s discussion, said he “fully expects” that wasn’t the last executive session on the topic since it is an ongoing issue. In July, the city underwent a three-day Civil Rights Compliance review of its Section 8 program, and a second three-day review occurred earlier this week. Since it’s an ongoing review, HUD officials aren’t commenting. Councilwoman Anita Scott Jones was brief in her comments, saying, “I believe that where we are is where we need to be, and that’s all I can say right now.” Councilman Joe Mulligan was also hesitant to talk too much Friday, just a day after the executive session meeting. “I think that staff is working through answering HUD’s concerns,” he said. “The report that Doug Adkins and his team put together (and presented in October), that really was a comprehensive analysis of what direction the city should go in terms of the number of vouchers.” Mayor Larry Mulligan and Councilman Josh Laubach declined to comment about the meeting, or the scrutiny HUD has been placing on the city. Councilman A.J. Smith, who couldn’t attend the 4:30 p.m. meeting due to a work conflict, said his concern is with “the actions of the city of Middletown.” “It’s been well documented and well stated my position on the direction the city of Middletown is interested in taking,” he said. “I believe HUD is doing the right thing, and I think they need to continue and monitor what’s going on. It’s quality control.” |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 8:19pm
Obama and his minions at HUD are getting ready make examples of these fools and they don't even realize it 
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Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 8:22pm
Any one else impressed that AJ actually has a job now ?
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Posted By: FmrMide81
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 8:45pm
| Well, them fries aren't gonna cook themselves!!! |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Aug 16 2013 at 10:02pm
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Posted By: OVER SIGHT
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 10:35am
Council weighs options for response to HUD
By http://www.middletownjournal.com/staff/michael-d-pitman/" rel="nofollow - Michael D. Pitman Staff Writer MIDDLETOWN — The city is not at risk of losing federal funding or being sued by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development if it proceeds with a plan to eliminate 1,008 Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers over the next five years — at least not right now, said Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins. “You’re at no risk right this minute,” Adkins told Middletown City Council at the board’s Tuesday meeting. “Zero.” Adkins presented council members with five options for responding to a Dec. 21 letter the city received from HUD about its plan to cut Section 8 vouchers. In the letter, HUD officials told city officials that they needed to either fill Middletown’s available vouchers, transfer the city’s voucher program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Agency or face possible legal action. Adkins told council he disagreed with characterizations of HUD’s letter as being “strongly worded.” He said he thought the letter was “diplomatically written” given each side’s differing point of view on the matter. “No fair housing or civil rights threats were made, no regulatory violations were cited,” said Adkins, a former attorney with the U.S. Labor Department. “We have been politely asked if we would like to walk away and give our program to Butler Metro… As an attorney, I’m looking for, where’s the hammer?” SEEMS LIKE TO ME THOR HAS CAME TO TOWN |
HEY DOUG DOES IT HURT?Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 11:43am
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“You’re at no risk right this minute,” Adkins told Middletown City Council at the board’s Tuesday meeting. “Zero.” No risk RIGHT THIS MINUTE? Wow, now there's some confidence for council to make a decision.  HOW ABOUT TOMORROW DOUG. ANY RISK THEN? "Adkins told council he disagreed with characterizations of HUD’s letter as being “strongly worded.” He said he thought the letter was “diplomatically written” given each side’s differing point of view on the matter." NO, DOUGIE, HERE'S WHAT THEY SAID IN THEIR LETTER..... HUD officials told city officials that they needed to either fill Middletown’s available vouchers, transfer the city’s voucher program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Agency or face possible legal action. LOOKS LIKE THE CITY HAS THREE CHOICES AND THERE IS SOME URGENCY AS TO MAKING UP THEIR MIND IN MAKING THAT CHOICE.....EITHER FILL 'EM, TRANSFER 'EM, OR FACE LEGAL ACTION. NO AMBIGUITY THERE PAL. I'M TELLIN' YA COUNCIL, IF YOU LISTEN TO DOUG'S ADVISE AND PROCRASTINATE ON YOUR DECISION, YOU ALL MIGHT FIND YOURSELVES IN FEDERAL COURT FASTER THAN YOU CAN WHISTLE DIXIE. I KNOW YOU HAVE EGO ISSUES HAVING DONE THINGS YOUR WAY FOR SO LONG, BUT I BELIEVE THE FEDS CAN TRUMP YOUR EGOS AND THERE IS A GOOD POSSIBILITY THAT YOU WON'T LIKE THE OUTCOME AS IT MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO THE CITY AS TO FINES. YOU DUG THE SECTION 8 HOLE  ....NOW, PAY THE PIPER. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 12:47pm
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I expect this to be settled constructively, and not in a punitive manner. Will we lose the program? Maybe Will we lose the vouchers? Doubtful but hopeful They are looking for agreeable resolution instead of confrontation. Don't expect any pound of flesh! |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 1:07pm
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The city is not at risk of losing federal funding or being sued by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development if it proceeds with a plan to eliminate 1,008 Section 8 Housing Choice Vouchers over the next five years — at least not right now, said Community Revitalization Director Doug Adkins. “You’re at no risk right this minute,” Adkins told Middletown City Council at the board’s Tuesday meeting. “Zero.” Adkins presented council members with five options for responding to a Dec. 21 letter the city received from HUD about its plan to cut Section 8 vouchers. In the letter, HUD officials told city officials that they needed to either fill Adkins told council he disagreed with characterizations of HUD’s letter as being “strongly worded.” He said he thought the letter was “diplomatically written” given each side’s differing point of view on the matter. HUD stated in 2010 that they would not reduce the number of vouchers in Then Dougie used the program transfer from CONSOC to Nelson and Assoc. for not filling the vouchers and HUD said nothing. The above article is word for word the very same statement that Dougie made in front of council six months ago…sooo why would council need a closed door meeting to hear this very same information again.? Well Dougie what are you, Ms Judy and council members going to do when HUD presents you with a long list of violations? Do you really believe that HUD after spending all this time and money will forgive and forget and let Where is all the money needed for this legal action and these attorney fees going to come from for you and your ego to fight HUD? |
Posted By: Perplexed
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 1:13pm
| Doug's misguided and utterly wasteful actions of the past five years has already further harmed the city. Anything that HUD may do (not do) will only be icing on the cake. In other words, so many lost opportunities and poor stewardship of our federal tax dollars. Remember the famous quote of Doug when asked about financial management of the HUD Neighborhood Stabilization Program (NSP), "we can lose up to $75,000 per each housing acquisition, rehabilitation and resale project." Urban Renewal is alive and well in Middletown. In my opinion, he can take it to Mason where he lives. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 1:27pm
Spider, I'd like to think that you are correct in your thinking. I have my doubts given the stubborn nature of the city leaders and council and their insistence on having it their way. Wouldn't surprise me that in the final chapter, the fed hammer falls on the city and the city honchos will be in denial til the end. I'd like to see the program administration go elsewhere. Would rather see the program dissappear to the level we are suppose to have. All of this could have been avoided and no reason for reduction talk if past/current city leaders had accepted no more than the correct number of vouchers for a city this size. But...... ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 1:44pm
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Could Aj have seen the writing on the wall and bail before the feds put the hammer down? |
Posted By: LMAO
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 1:53pm
Was thinking the same.Hope that they give them to Butler County and are dear Council can thank Dougie. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 2:34pm
| Vet I think you were right in your message to council that is the warning they need to heed. I think they are in such denial and so arrogant that if penalties come down it's going to come as a shock. What are the other attorneys on council doing,sitting on their hands? Will this help Judy on down the road? Take Dougie with you. |
Posted By: spiderjohn
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 3:09pm
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Totally agree about poor/ misguided use of tax $$. Still-- the current group did not bring on the majority of the section 8 situation, and IMO the program is being somewhat scapegoated for many of our other municipal ills. The "losing $75,000 per house" thing has always bothered me, so much that mr.A and I had a STRONG discussion about that at a charter review meeting session. I simply don't expect the hammer to come down in a punishing manner. The goal is to resolve the situation to the best result for everyone. Govt. is not always out to attack(well... Did I really say that?) |
Posted By: Stanky
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 3:39pm
| Three way trades are always fun in sports. So let's agree to transfer control to BMHA who will then hire Dougie from us, HUD agrees that BMHA will be allowed to reduce from 1600 vouchers to around 800 over an agreed upon period of time, and HUD agress not to fine or prosecute city officials. Done. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 4:23pm
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HUD agrees that BMHA will be allowed to reduce from 1600 vouchers to around 800 over an agreed upon period of time, and HUD agress not to fine or prosecute city officials. Done.
The demand in Butler County for affordable houseing is greater now than in 2010.
HUD will NEVER agree to a recuction in the Section 8 vouchers..they have never did it before and they are not going to do it for Dougie.
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Posted By: Observer
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 4:30pm
| Just a few years ago most on this forum were citing Sec. 8 as a huge problem in Middletown. They called on council to change direction. If my memory serves me correctly several council candidates in 2009 had Sec. 8 reduction as a major platform of their campaign. Now just a few years later this forum seems to sit back a laugh has HUD has begun to fight back. It seems to me council listened to the community, and many on this forum, and is trying to change course. Genuine question....why did opinions on here change so quickly? |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 5:02pm
It's the era of handouts.
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 5:22pm
| As I understand the issue of reducing the vouchers has not been fought by landlords. The real issue has be the vilifying and criminalizing of the landlords and the participants in the program. The illegal tracking of water bills, the asking by police "is this a Sec 8 house"when they respond to a call. It's the illegal procedures being instated from Doug Adkins office. He was asked point blank at a council meeting about that and he admitted you are not allowed to do that. Some landlords have had this happen I'm told. There are violations through his office..If you want to believe what he is telling everyone you may be surprised at the out come also. IMO |
Posted By: Bocephus
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 5:36pm
I agree with council for trying to reduce the number of section 8 vouchers and realize that most of them are not responsible for adding more vouchers over the years, but there is no way in hades that Obama and his HUD minions are going to let the city or county reduce these vouchers. At this point it is a political issue and with elections coming up there will be a politician (or two) that rides into town to save the poor and down trodden. If the vouchers required the occupant to have a job while they lived there I would bet there wouldn't be that much of a need for the vouchers.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 5:55pm
Well, let's see Observer. You cite a 2009 date as a Section 8 reducing platform for the candidates. This is now 2013 and the council and city leaders just started talking about cutting the voucher levels in 2012/2013 didn't they? If so, that would make it three years with no talk on voucher reductions. Did they really listen to the community and this forum as you state? Why did they wait so long? Don't know about others on this forum but I've never changed my tune on Section 8 from the beginning. I didn't want it in town when it started and I stand by that thinking as of today. If it was my decision, I would still be unhappy with the correct amount of around 700 or so. He--, 30 would be too much for me. IN GENERAL AND TO STEREOTYPE....I have always said that Sec. 8 (and the drug issues) are associated with bringing a ghetto mentality/ increased crime to town, it contributes in destroying a town's reputation/image as a decent middle class city and does nothing positive in helping this city out of the mess it is in and both issues usually attract low income, handout type individuals who bring their friends from out of town to help with the crime. It is all PERCEPTION by non-residents that if there is an overabundance of this segment of society in a town, the town is considered the bottom of the barrel. That is what I believe many surrounding towns now think of us. It is sad seeing the city going from a hard-working blue collar industrial town with some dignity in the mix to one of low income, crime-ridden, lower echelon clientele creating a breeding ground for every unwanted activity most cities wouldn't tolerate nor want. If Sec. 8 had any advantages, wouldn't Mason, Springboro, West Chester, Fairfield and others done what Middletown did? Middletown officials were the only fools who bit on the excessive vouchers, right? ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 6:30pm
| So again I say thanks Doug for declaring our city 54% poverty. That certainly helps our city's image. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 7:36pm
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Vet
The reduction of Section 8 Vouchers started in 2010 when City Hall did the 96 page Section 8 Analysis and mailed it to HUD.
HUDs reply in 2010 stated that because of the amount of proverty in Middletown they would NOT reduce the vouchers |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Aug 19 2013 at 9:47pm
| The city let more poor people in and then are prohibited from reducing vouchers because, lo & behold, there are too many poor in town. These voucher residents came from somewhere -- so why can't some of them move away? Amazing how many of us have to transfer for our jobs or drive long distances to them but these people getting free rent can't possibly be inconvenienced by taking their TAXPAYER funded voucher and go to nearby town. |
Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 6:44am
Bill. Ya gotta love the government's logic here. THEY acknowledge that this community is poverty stricken. SO, to add to the misery, they insist on saturating the city with even more poverty.  Yep, the folks running HUD are the poster children for the overall thinking of the lousy government, be it city, state or the feds. No wonder we are in such bad shape in this country. No one running the show at any level, that has a clue how to make decisions based on any common sense. ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: Observer
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 9:03am
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Vet, I thought it started much earlier than Feb. 2013. I'll trust Vivian's date of 2010 which would be just after those running in 2009 were sworn in. I'll give this current Council credit for fighting this battle and those that have been advocating a reduction in numbers should as well. If we are going to point out the failures we need to also be able to give credit where it is due.
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Posted By: VietVet
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 9:47am
AGREE OBSERVER. CREDIT GOES OUT TO THE CURRENT COUNCIL FOR TRYING TO CORRECT THE MISTAKES OF PREVIOUS COUNCILS AND CITY ADMIN. JUST SEEMS LIKE IT WAS MORE RECENT THAN 2010 THAT THEY STARTED AN ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THE VOUCHERS. MY MISTAKE. WHEN DID OLSEN LEAVE? HOW LONG HAS GILLELAND AND COMPANY BEEN IN CHARGE? WASN'T SHE AROUND WHEN THE ESCALATION OF VOUCHERS WERE HAPPENING AND IF SO, WHY DID SHE NOT ATTEMPT TO REDUCE THEM THEN? ------------- I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over. |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 10:21am
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Gentlemen Olsen, Becker,Huseman and then Gilleland were the recent city managers.
The June 2010 City of |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 10:54am
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HUD Response to Mr. Adkins 96 page report Page 4-5 “The housing and neighborhood conditions identified in the City’s analysis are real. Blaming the voucher program for these conditions however, is, in the words of former HUD Secretary Dr. Robert C. Weaver referring to claims about the public housing program “like blaming the doctor for the disease.” The City has several tools available to address its obsolete housing stock and concentration of poverty. A well administered housing choice voucher program in conjunction with a targeted Neighborhood Stabilization Program and Community Block Grant funding can certainly help revitalize neighborhoods and help the City meet its long term goals. The Department has many resources to assist the City in meeting its goals and is available to work with City staff to develop and design programs that are consistent with HUD rules and regulations and in the best interest of the City.” |
Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 1:32pm
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Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 2:38pm
| Thanks Bumper |
Posted By: bumper
Date Posted: Aug 20 2013 at 9:53pm
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then after all that they jumped in with both feet and said bring it, cause we want mo and mo fed $$$$$$$ so they could stream line the organization, cause that's what they do best .... |
Posted By: Historic House Guy
Date Posted: Aug 21 2013 at 3:35pm
| Affordable housing??? I'd say the real estate bubble bursting took care of that. If you can't find an affordable house in Middletown then your eye's are closed... |
Posted By: over the hill
Date Posted: Aug 21 2013 at 3:37pm
| It's aufully quite around the city building today. Could there be meetings going on behind closed doors? Are the big boys back? Dunno!, |
Posted By: Vivian Moon
Date Posted: Aug 21 2013 at 6:46pm
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Yep I heard that HUD was back in town today to interview all those at City Hall. |
Posted By: Bill
Date Posted: Aug 21 2013 at 6:48pm
| What happened to jag123? I thought he was an insider at city hall. |
Posted By: wannaknow
Date Posted: Aug 22 2013 at 6:55pm
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Say what you want about A.J. but you have to admit he is up-front. He doesn't pretend to be what he's not unlike some of the sneaky, lying crooks at the city building. |