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    Posted: Oct 30 2017 at 4:57pm
WHO CARES??? Don't Middletown taxpayers deserve to know the full public cost of "downtown" tax abatements, city-owned building and/or land give-aways, direct financial "gifts" prior to (and during) the start of actual proejct re-development construction, project completion deadlines, city recourse for re-developer delinquent payment of Butler County property taxes, etc., etc.?  Provided hereafter are four geographically diverse broadcast and print media thought-provoking links on this oft-discussed topic:


Middletown and "Downtown" Tax Abatement Deals
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Cincinnati, Ohio -- WCPO TV -- Updated October 8, 2017
Over The Rhine Downtown Developers Cash-In On City's Property Tax Deals

http://www.wcpo.com/news/insider/otr-downtown-developers-cash-in-on-citys-property-tax-deals

Springfield, Missouri -- News-Leader -- 10/3/2015
Tax Incentives Play Part in Building Boom Cost

http://www.news-leader.com/story/news/watchdog/2015/10/03/tax-incentives-play-part-building-boom-cost/73280402/

Indiana Economic Digest -- October 28, 2017
City of Evansville, Indiana To Review Tax Abatement Deals

http://www.indianaeconomicdigest.net/main.asp?SectionID=31&subsectionID=299&articleID=42273

GOVERNING: The States and Localities -- March 13, 2017
When It Comes to Tax Incentives, How Transparent Is Your City?

http://www.governing.com/topics/finance/gov-economic-development-incentives-good-jobs-first.html
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Middletown and "Downtown" Tax Abatement Deals
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Columbus Dispatch -- Updated December 5, 2015
Property-tax breaks for developers shift burden to other taxpayers

https://search.aol.com/aol/search?s_it=webmail-searchbox&q=property-tax%20breaks%20for%20developers%20shift%20burden%20to%20other%20taxpayers

WCMH TV - Columbus -- Updated June 22, 2017
You Paid For it: Are Columbus tax abatements a burden on taxpayers?

http://nbc4i.com/2017/06/22/you-paid-for-it-are-columbus-tax-abatements-a-burden-on-taxpayers/

Dayton Daily News -- August 28, 2015
Downtown Dayton:  80 Percent of Property Tax is Exempt from Taxes

http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/news/local/downtown-dayton-percent-property-exempt-from-taxes/3f6F56vSsCN4e6HtrmZmNJ/
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Irony being that most businesses on the receiving end are as capable or better to pay the tax than are those citizens and other like businesses who catch the extra burden
does anyone monitor pre-conditions and compliance?
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SpiderJohn, I agree/empathize with you plus other business owners outside of "downtown"!  As for prospective re-developer "vetting" procedures/standards, contents of property conveyance documents/re-developer covenants, compliance monitoring, etc., I have no knowledge of how things are done here.  May I suggest that you speak with Vivian Moon as she's obtained some relevant city economic development-related documents of note.
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SWOhio75 -

Do you have any comments to offer about the several stalled or incomplete city-subsidized "downtown" community revitalization deals?
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Probably can't hear you over all the axes you're grinding...
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Former Middie 81 -

My suggestion for you is to try concentrating on how your tax dollars have been/are being spent and determining the value/benefit of the outcomes such as these "downtown" deals.  If you're satisfied or pleased with the direction the city is headed, then there's nothing much else for you to think about.
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You're spittin' in the wind-do the math. There's about 1700 members on this site. Roughly 100 post on a semi-regular basis. Maybe 10% of that show up to any event concerning city matters. NOBODY CARES ABOUT ANY OF THE CRAP YOU KEEP WHINING ABOUT!!!!!! If they did, things would change. Why can't you get it through your head that the majority are obviously satisfied that the buses are running and the trash is picked up. All the facts and figures in the world won't make people care. I guess if you get your jollies trying to get back at your former employees then all this pseudo-intellectual nonsense serves a purpose-otherwise it's just a waste of keystrokes... 
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