Middletown Forum : Central Avenue Demolition Project http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Economic Development : Central Avenue Demolition Project Tue, 10 Nov 2026 06:10:03 +0000 Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:22:40 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2387 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Central Avenue Demolition Project : SupportMiddletown wrote: You... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14992&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14992 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 21 2009 at 8:22am

Originally posted by SupportMiddletown SupportMiddletown wrote:

You are wrong. You can argue a million ways that you are right, but I am not wasting my time pulling out pieces of the zoning code and attempting to explain it, because I am sure you would never believe that the city is not out to get you.

If you want to think you are correct, go right ahead.
I see.  The words in Middletown's Codified Ordinances are too big for you, eh?  They seem very self-explanatory and simple to me.
Be sure to let us know if you ever get a traffic ticket.  I'm sure that many of us would like to attend court the day you try to explain to Judge Wall that speeding, running a red light, or whatever is NOT illegal in Middletown because you can "drive around town and see many, many, people doing it all the time.
 
]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2009 08:22:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14992&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14992 Central Avenue Demolition Project : If you are on the historic register... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14989&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14989 Author: viper771
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 21 2009 at 1:22am

If you are on the historic register you can also get federal grants if I am not mistaken. ]]> Mon, 21 Dec 2009 01:22:33 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14989&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14989 Central Avenue Demolition Project : You are wrong. You can argue a... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14987&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14987 Author: SupportMiddletown
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 20 2009 at 11:09pm

You are wrong. You can argue a million ways that you are right, but I am not wasting my time pulling out pieces of the zoning code and attempting to explain it, because I am sure you would never believe that the city is not out to get you.

If you want to think you are correct, go right ahead.
]]> Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:09:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14987&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14987 Central Avenue Demolition Project : Regarding the homes in the so-called... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14986&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14986 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 20 2009 at 10:00pm

Regarding the homes in the so-called "historic districts":
 
Of course they get variances!!!  As I have stated before, the whole "history hysteria" in this town is not about history.  It is all about keeping out (or kicking out) those that the "it" people find undesirable.  When they actually have to do something to their own property with their own money, they tend to do it as cheaply as possible, hence the vinyl siding on their "historic" structure.  Their MMF friends make sure they get a variance (if ithey even bother to apply for a permit).  It's generally only when its the public's money that nothing but the best will do, just for historical accuracy, of course.
]]> Sun, 20 Dec 2009 22:00:28 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14986&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14986 Central Avenue Demolition Project : SupportMiddletown wrote: You... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14985&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14985 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 20 2009 at 9:46pm

Originally posted by SupportMiddletown SupportMiddletown wrote:

You are drawing conclusions that are not accurate. I can understand from the text you posted above why you might, however.

Drive around the city and you can observe vinyl siding being installed on many, many homes. The city has not restricted this. There are even properties within the South Main Street Historic District that have vinyl siding on them; although I'm sure that had to go through the Commission on Landmarks.
Excuse me?  How can you draw the conclusion that my conclusions are not accurate when I cited the actual law and you seem to be posing a hypothetical???
 
Did you actually "drive around town"???  As you "drive around town" do you stop at these "many, many homes" and check to see if they had building permits???
 
If these "many, many homes" are having vinyl siding installed they are either:
 
A:  Doing so legally under a variance,
or
B.  Doing so illegally.
 
I can cite laws on drugs here and state a "conclusion" that drug dealing is illegal, yet "drive around the city and and you can observe" drugs being dealt at "many, many" locations.  Does that mean that I was "drawing the wrong conclusion" when I said drug dealing is illegal???
]]> Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:46:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14985&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14985 Central Avenue Demolition Project : You are drawing conclusions that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14984&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14984 Author: SupportMiddletown
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 20 2009 at 8:59pm

You are drawing conclusions that are not accurate. I can understand from the text you posted above why you might, however.

Drive around the city and you can observe vinyl siding being installed on many, many homes. The city has not restricted this. There are even properties within the South Main Street Historic District that have vinyl siding on them; although I'm sure that had to go through the Commission on Landmarks.
]]> Sun, 20 Dec 2009 20:59:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14984&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14984 Central Avenue Demolition Project : Here is a little “light reading”... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14952&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14952 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 18 2009 at 5:11am

Here is a little “light reading” from Middletown’s Codified City Ordinances that some of you sane folks might want to peruse at your leisure:

(I would post a link, so you could find it more easily, but find it yourself!!! It’s enough to drive you INSANE!!! )

§ 1222.01 CONFORMITY WITH ZONING ORDINANCE.

The regulations set by this Zoning Ordinance within each district shall be minimum regulations and shall apply uniformly to each class or kind of land or structure, as provided herein.

(2) No building or other structure shall be erected or altered in any other manner contrary to the provisions of this Zoning Ordinance.

§ 1222.02 NONCONFORMITY WITH ZONING ORDINANCE.

Within the districts established by this Zoning Ordinance or amendments that may later be adopted, there may exist lots, uses of land, structures or uses of structures which were lawful before this Zoning Ordinance was passed or amended, but which would be prohibited, regulated or restricted under the terms of this Zoning Ordinance or future amendment. It is the intent of this Zoning Ordinance to permit these nonconformities to continue until they are abandoned, but not to encourage their survival. It is further the intent of this Zoning Ordinance that nonconformities shall not be enlarged upon, expanded, extended or be used as the basis for adding other structures or uses prohibited elsewhere in the same district.

§ 1225.03 ARCHITECTURAL STANDARDS.

(b) Building materials.

(1) Walls.

A. One and one-half and two-story dwellings. All first floor exterior walls that are visible from the street shall be constructed of natural material (stone, brick, wood, stucco, cultured stone, cement siding or hardy plank). All other exterior walls areas of the dwelling may be constructed of other code approved building materials.

B. One story dwelling. All exterior walls shall be constructed of natural materials stated in division (b)(1)A. of this section.

　

PS: If you don’t think the Commission on Landmarks and Historic Structures can FORCE the wrath of God upon you, just look up all the powers they managed to sneak through for themselves over YOUR property…IF you can find it among the 1400 plus pages.

]]> Fri, 18 Dec 2009 05:11:24 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14952&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14952 Central Avenue Demolition Project : SupportMiddletown wrote: Hermes...Mike... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14951&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14951 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 18 2009 at 12:23am

Originally posted by SupportMiddletown SupportMiddletown wrote:

Hermes...Mike is insane. As long as your home isn't in a historic district, you are fine with siding. There are design guidelines for new construction as well, but you should be fine otherwise.

Oh really???  Just go try to get a building permit to REPLACE your aluminum or vinyl siding, WITHOUT a variance!!!  Then let us know what you find out.  I'm not talking about repairing or replacing a small, damaged portion, but replacing ALL of it.
(When I have time later, I'll cite the ordinance.)]]> Fri, 18 Dec 2009 00:23:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14951&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14951 Central Avenue Demolition Project : Well only if you are not doing... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14950&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14950 Author: swohio75
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 17 2009 at 9:41pm

Well only if you are not doing new construction. New homes must use mostly all natural material (wood, stone, brick, stucco, etc. Unless you request a variance from the ARB.]]> Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:41:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14950&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14950 Central Avenue Demolition Project : Hermes...Mike is insane. As long... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2387&PID=14948&title=central-avenue-demolition-project#14948 Author: SupportMiddletown
Subject: 2387
Posted: Dec 17 2009 at 8:10pm

Hermes...Mike is insane. As long as your home isn't in a historic district, you are fine with siding. There are design guidelines for new construction as well, but you should be fine otherwise.

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