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   <title>More city real estate adventures : Nelson, if the matter involves...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 7:52pm<br /><br />Nelson, if the matter involves senior city staff members and at least one of the members is the city manager, and the plans are in the works to send her packing, that would be good news. However, that shouldn't be the end of the deadwood cleanout. Kohler, Landen, Robinette, and others need to follow. ]]>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures : Rumor has it that recent Executive...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 3:06pm<br /><br />Rumor has it that recent Executive Session gatherings of City Council have been quite contentious.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>A certain personnel matter involving senior city staff is alleged to be under serious consideration.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We'll have to wait until January to learn if this is wishful thinking or reality.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures : Ahhh yes&#226;&#8364;&#166;just ask for the records,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 2:24pm<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>Ahhh yes…just ask for the records, seems like such a simple little task doesn’t it. <SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes">&nbsp;</SPAN>It isn’t that simple because several funds have been used for the completion of these projects.<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 14:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures :   Mtown wrote:Nelson Himself...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 10:42am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mtown" alt="Originally posted by Mtown" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mtown wrote:</strong><br /><br />Nelson Himself obviously has an axe to grind with the City (his former employer).  The questions he raises could be answered if he wanted.  The information needed is public record.  Ask for it.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Mtown obviously has an axe to grind with the people on this forum (the place where he can get the correct information). The questions he raises as to why we complain could be answered if he wanted. The information needed is public record, with suggestions for improving the city. Ask for it. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 10:42:56 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures : My commentson the City&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 9:30am<br /><br />My comments&nbsp;on the City's lavish waste of NSP funds are&nbsp;offered&nbsp;as&nbsp;a&nbsp;<FONT color=#0000ff><strong><U>concerned</U>&nbsp;<U>taxpayer</U></strong>&nbsp;</FONT>only!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mtown,&nbsp;many of us taxpayers are <FONT color=#0000ff><strong><U>eagerly</U> <U>awaiting</U></strong></FONT> your&nbsp;answers&nbsp;to some easy-to-answer&nbsp;questions.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>At&nbsp;a&nbsp;public&nbsp;hearing&nbsp;in <strong><FONT color=#0000ff><U>11/2008</U></FONT></strong>,&nbsp;senior City&nbsp;staff&nbsp;touted&nbsp;these&nbsp;anticipated NSP&nbsp;program&nbsp;accomplishments:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; 20&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;foreclosed&nbsp;homes&nbsp;were&nbsp;to&nbsp;be acquired, rehabbed and resold;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; 54&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;dilapidated&nbsp;homes&nbsp;were&nbsp;to&nbsp;be demolished;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3)&nbsp; 40+ income-eligible foreclosed home&nbsp;buyers were to receive&nbsp;down&nbsp;payment/closing&nbsp;assistance;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4)&nbsp; 10%&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;$2,144,000&nbsp;HUD&nbsp;grant was to&nbsp;be utilized for administrative purposes.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As one examines what has&nbsp;been&nbsp;accomplished by&nbsp;the&nbsp;city&nbsp;over the past <strong><FONT color=#0000ff><U>two</U> <U>years</U></FONT></strong> they'll sadly&nbsp;discover:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; only <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>11</strong></FONT>&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;foreclosed&nbsp;homes&nbsp;were&nbsp;acquired&nbsp;with&nbsp;some&nbsp;rehabbed and&nbsp;none&nbsp;resold;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; only&nbsp;<FONT color=#ff0000><strong>35</strong></FONT>&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;dilapidated&nbsp;homes&nbsp;were&nbsp;actually demolished;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3)&nbsp; <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>no</strong></FONT> income-eligible foreclosed purchasers were to receive&nbsp;down&nbsp;payment/closing&nbsp;assistance;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 4)&nbsp; with&nbsp;10%&nbsp;($214,400)&nbsp;utilized for administration,&nbsp;what&nbsp;are&nbsp;added&nbsp;<FONT color=#ff0000><strong><U>program</U>&nbsp;delivery </strong></FONT>costs;&nbsp;and,</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 5)&nbsp; what&nbsp;about&nbsp;<FONT color=#ff0000><strong>$300,000</strong>&nbsp;</FONT>that&nbsp;was&nbsp;later&nbsp;diverted demolish&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;dilapidated&nbsp;commercial&nbsp;buildings.;</DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The&nbsp;record&nbsp;of&nbsp;city&nbsp;staff&nbsp;implementation&nbsp;speaks&nbsp;for&nbsp;itself:</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1)&nbsp; progress&nbsp;in&nbsp;implementing&nbsp;NSP-funded&nbsp;activities&nbsp;is&nbsp;<U><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>questionable</FONT></strong></U>;</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2)&nbsp; expenses&nbsp;for&nbsp;11&nbsp;&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;foreclosed&nbsp;homes&nbsp;being acquired/rehabbed/resold&nbsp;is <strong><U><FONT color=#ff0000>excessive</FONT></U></strong>;&nbsp;and,</DIV><DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 3)&nbsp; administration&nbsp;(plus&nbsp;program&nbsp;delivery)&nbsp;costs&nbsp;will&nbsp;total&nbsp;more than&nbsp; <strong><U><FONT color=#ff0000>10%</FONT></U></strong>&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;$2,144,000&nbsp;&nbsp;NSP grant.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Middletown&nbsp;has&nbsp;an&nbsp;abundance&nbsp;of&nbsp;vacant,&nbsp;foreclosed&nbsp;residential&nbsp;properties.</DIV><DIV>Many&nbsp;of&nbsp;these&nbsp;are&nbsp;situated&nbsp;in&nbsp;otherwise&nbsp;stable&nbsp;neighborhoods&nbsp;and&nbsp;are&nbsp;for&nbsp;sale&nbsp;under&nbsp;$90,000.</DIV><DIV>Why&nbsp;does&nbsp;the&nbsp;city&nbsp;seem&nbsp;so&nbsp;comfortable&nbsp;with&nbsp;losing&nbsp;up&nbsp;to&nbsp;<strong><U><FONT color=#ff0000>$75,000/transaction</FONT></U></strong>&nbsp;because&nbsp;HUD&nbsp;won't&nbsp;object?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This&nbsp;latest&nbsp;HUD-funded&nbsp;real&nbsp;estate&nbsp;adventure&nbsp;of&nbsp;the&nbsp;city&nbsp;depicts&nbsp;how&nbsp;hard-earned&nbsp;tax&nbsp;dollars&nbsp;are&nbsp;wasted!&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:30:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures :    Nelson...Himself wrote: Oh,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 9:11am<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Nelson...Himself" alt="Originally posted by Nelson...Himself" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Nelson...Himself wrote:</strong><br /><br /></P><P>Oh, to eavesdrop on certain City Council executive sessions where these matters are deliberated!</td></tr></table> </P><P>But Nelson, such “matters” as the rehabilitation, remodeling, room additions and the like of city-owned property cannot be discussed in executive sessions--<B><I>at least not legally.</P></B></I><P>Now, I realize that some of the fine legal minds at City Hall often feel certain documents are worded “vaguely”, and they may very well feel that way about Ohio’s Public Meetings Law (ORC 121.22) since the <B>VERY FIRST SENTENCE </B>states:</P><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>“This section shall be <B>liberally construed to require public officials </B>to take official action and <B>to conduct all deliberations</B> upon official business <B>only in open meetings </B>unless the subject matter is <B>specifically excepted</B> by law.”</P></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Of course there is what is commonly referred to as the “real estate exception” --ORC 121.22(G)(2)--which allows executive session discussions:</P><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>“To consider the <B>purchase</B> of property for public purposes, or for the <B>sale</B> of property at competitive bidding,<FONT size=3><EM> </EM></FONT><strong><FONT size=3><EM>if </EM></FONT>premature disclosure of information would give an unfair competitive or bargaining advantage</strong> to a person whose personal, private interest is adverse to the general public interest.”</P></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Even without being “liberally construed”, I can’t find extravagant remodeling listed as a “subject matter specifically excepted”!!!</P><DIV></DIV>On the other hand, what do I know???&nbsp; I can't even understand how the city can recognize a "certificate of appropriateness" <strong><EM>issued by a commission that council abolished over a month earlier!!!!</EM></strong></SPAN>]]>
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   <pubDate>Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures :   Mtown wrote:Nelson Himself...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=469">LMAO</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 9:05am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mtown" alt="Originally posted by Mtown" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mtown wrote:</strong><br /><br />Nelson Himself obviously has an axe to grind with the City (his former employer). The questions he raises could be answered if he wanted. The information needed is public record. Ask for it.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>Is it public record for bussiness owners that owe the city how much they owe and the paymeants are being made on time?<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Smile" />]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=677">Mtown</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 7:14am<br /><br />Nelson Himself obviously has an axe to grind with the City (his former employer).  The questions he raises could be answered if he wanted.  The information needed is public record.  Ask for it.]]>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures : According tocityrecordsobtainedby...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;13&nbsp;2010 at 10:11pm<br /><br />According to&nbsp;city&nbsp;records&nbsp;obtained&nbsp;by Miss Vivian,&nbsp;the&nbsp;property&nbsp;in&nbsp;question is 3523 Jewell. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It&nbsp;seems&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;city&nbsp;is&nbsp;spending&nbsp;far&nbsp;more&nbsp;on&nbsp;a&nbsp;building addition&nbsp;than&nbsp;the&nbsp;purchase&nbsp;price&nbsp;of&nbsp;this&nbsp;house.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As&nbsp;she&nbsp;also&nbsp;noted,&nbsp;the&nbsp;total&nbsp;cost&nbsp;of&nbsp;this&nbsp;one&nbsp;endeavor&nbsp;far exceeds market value of other nearby homes!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There are&nbsp;additional examples where the city is lavishly over-spending on vacant, foreclosed homes.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I wonder what is&nbsp;the City Council's thinking about this extravagant disposal of taxpayers money?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>After all, they're the ones&nbsp;granting final approval for these wasteful&nbsp;Community Revitalization boondoggles.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Oh, to&nbsp;eavesdrop on certain City Council executive sessions where these matters are deliberated!</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 13 Dec 2010 22:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>More city real estate adventures : Thought there was an RFP in the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=665">Talking Heads</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3532<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;13&nbsp;2010 at 8:46pm<br /><br />Thought there was an RFP in the paper for the city to hire a realtor for these homes - don't know what happened with that. I heard one city rehab project included making an addition to a home on Jewell - seems an odd area to invest in expensive additions.]]>
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