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Vivian Moon
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Topic: SECTION 8Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 9:53am |
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over the hill
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Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 7:04pm |
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Wow this reporter has been one of only a few to get HUD to respond to questions about what's going on. Does Doug want to second quess The Brookings Institution in D.C. I don't think he has the credentials for that. Our city council can't even get him to sign his contract. If he can push them around now , what will he do down the road? This guy is about to get out of control before he even gets started. IMO
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VietVet
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Joined: May 15 2008 Status: Offline Points: 7008 |
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Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 7:20pm |
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Don't understand the city at all on this Vivian. In an earlier post, you brought to the table information that the council with Smith, Nenni, Scott-Jones and others who actually wanted 800+ additional vouchers on top of what the city had at the time which was 700+, a more balanced number.
Now, they change direction 180 degrees and want all the excess vouchers out of the city. All of a sudden, while, once upon a time, striving to make this a low income community, an about face has happened and they want all low income out. Apparently too late as HUD will probably make them keep the excess. The damage has been done I believe. Typical for this group. It is the city's fault that we have an overabundance of Section 8 in the first place. Look in the mirror city officials to see who is to blame here. Did they really think that the Section 8 program would bring a comparable amount of fed revenue to the city rather than generating revenue using more traditonal new company taxation and employee income taxes? Must have been easier to reach out for the fed money as they are not smart enough to manufacture new jobs like normal cities do. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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over the hill
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Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 7:37pm |
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It was easy money. Just apply for it and you probably will get it. So then they figured out how to move it to other places to use it for things than aren't quit for the most needed areas. What will they do now that it all goes away.
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Vivian Moon
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Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 10 2014 at 7:56pm |
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Vet
This article is excellent because it is filled with pure facts and not a bunch of fluff that we get from City Hall. When all this HUD money leaves City Hall they are going to be in a world of hurt and then everyone will be able to see who has really been on the Welfare Rolls. I have been reading the old city council meeting minutes and over the past 15 years we have spent every extra dollar on THEIR DOWNTOWN. Million of dollars and what do we really have to show for all this time and money? |
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Vivian Moon
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Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 11 2014 at 10:17am |
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Those serving on Middletown City Council in 2000 when the Section 8 vouchers were increased were:
1. Laura Williams 2. Robert Sonny Hill 3 Dave Schiavone 4. Earl Smith 5. Jerry Banks 6. Fred Sennet 7. Robert Wells |
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Vivian Moon
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Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jun 23 2014 at 2:25pm |
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December 1, 1999…………75 Vouchers |
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over the hill
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Posted: Jun 23 2014 at 4:38pm |
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And all this was in a 5 yr. period. Interesting!
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over the hill
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Posted: Jun 30 2014 at 6:14pm |
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Well, I guess we will be hearing an official announcement at the council meeting about Sec 8 going buy buy. Stay tuned!
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Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jun 30 2014 at 6:37pm |
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Posted: Middletown expected to transfer Section 8
vouchers to Butler Metro
Staff Writer Middletown Public Housing Agency will cease
to exist after Sept. 30 provided the board accepts a Voluntary Compliance
Agreement and Memorandum of Understanding at its meeting Tuesday night,
according to a news release from the city. If accepted by MPHA, this will end a
dispute with the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development where the
city’s housing authority wanted to give back 1,008 of its 1,662 Section 8
vouchers, also known as housing choice vouchers. The Voluntary Compliance Agreement and Memorandum
of Understanding, which was not available to the Journal-News late Monday,
calls for the city’s housing board to give all of its 1,662 Section 8 vouchers
assigned by HUD to the Butler Metro and Warren Metro housing authorities,
according to city Law Director Les Landen. Butler Metro Housing Authority Executive
Director Phyllis Hitte declined to comment because HUD has not yet issued a
statement. Butler Metro does handle more than 1,100 Section 8 vouchers and Warren Metro handles
nearly 450 Section 8 vouchers. The potential agreement will give housing
authorities in each “At this point, we were the only housing
authority in the state of The MPHA approved a plan in October 2012
that would reduce its vouchers to 654, which is what city officials said Until “The city didn’t accomplish what they
wanted to accomplish by doing things the wrong way,” According to the latest report, the city
has just more than 1,300 Section 8 vouchers. |
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over the hill
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Posted: Jun 30 2014 at 9:43pm |
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It will probably be back to the previous number of 1662 in a very short time.
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over the hill
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Posted: Jun 30 2014 at 9:46pm |
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It appears Mr. Tracy was right all along in saying it was going.
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Mike_Presta
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Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 3:24am |
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Oh, my!!! I thought our new City Manager said that it would never happen!?!?!?!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Mike_Presta
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Joined: Apr 20 2008 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 3483 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 3:46am |
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So...now what happens to our city budget without all of the big bucks from HUD that go along with the administration of this program???
Oh, my!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Richard Saunders
MUSA Resident
Joined: Jun 30 2010 Status: Offline Points: 232 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 6:33am |
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Have those geniuses on Council signed his employment contract yet?
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over the hill
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 7:55am |
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Unfortunately, yes.
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over the hill
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 8:30am |
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Loved the article in the Jounal about Sec8. Spin it Dougie,Spin it!! Does he really think anyone believes what he just said? The real truth has been posted on this forum for a long time. I guess all he and Judy really accomplished was to avoid their indictments. IMO
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Stanky
MUSA Resident
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 9:15am |
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Aggressive Section 8 reduction bravado, in-your-face challenges to HUD, claims that the city will prevail.....then defeat. Result -- no voucher reduction and a promotion to City Mgr! Up is down, black is white here in Backwardsville.
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over the hill
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 9:44am |
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And we still have the hefty attorney bill to pay. I suppose the city insurance will pay that,but will they cancel the city insurance especially with another suit possibly coming?
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Talking Heads
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Joined: Aug 18 2010 Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 9:52am |
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Spin City. Mr. D's comments do not surprise. He's been using the spin cycle so long now that he is a pro at cleaning the dirty laundry he and admin create. Council blindly follows their lead. D secured himself a nice position, knowing the MPHA transfer would happen - Middletown did not follow the Fed rules, pushed it to the max and this is the gentle way out - get out of jail free card. Great achievement. Judy retired just at the right time to allow D to continue covering up all of their mess. Landen hog ties it all together. Mr. D has Council eating out of his hands, which was his plan all along. Now, who moves up the ladder from the inside to fulfill his previous duties and new deceptions? Who does he trust to follow him blindly?
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council
Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 10:12am |
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I believe that Miss
Judy said that we would be short 1.5 million dollars in revenues in the 2015
budget. Our reserves are now at 15% so we can’t balance the budget using this
money any more. I believe the only major
expense that City Hall can now cut from the budget is to transfer the Health
Department over to |
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spiderjohn
Prominent MUSA Citizen
Joined: Jul 01 2007 Location: United States Status: Offline Points: 2749 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 10:14am |
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Didn't we purchase some incredibly expensive software to have our "operators" run this program?
If so--what happens with that? All being said, the guy didn't get us in to this situation, and in his way, tried to get us out and fix it to where we would be better. As Winwood used to sing: Who knows what tomorrow will bring?" <object width="420" height="315"><param name="movie" value="//www.youtube.com/v/9JgbPG1tOQg?hl=en_GB&version=3&rel=0"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="//www.youtube.com/v/9JgbPG1tOQg?hl=en_GB&version=3&rel=0" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" width="420" height="315" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true"></embed></object> |
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Vivian Moon
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Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 10:25am |
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Spider
I believe Mr Doug paid about $250,000 for the new Section 8 software that connected the Section 8 tenants with the police department and the water department. |
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over the hill
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 10:30am |
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It will probably bring more of the same. He knew all along how this would end but council bought every bit of his spin. I heard he's having a little bit of trouble "hitting the ground running" as he said he could do. We'll see.
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Perplexed
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Posted: Jul 01 2014 at 2:25pm |
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My bet is that Mr. Fooks will be promoted to the Dougmeister's previous position. Just think, once again he will be earning thousands similar to his days as a High-Risk, Sub-Prime Home Mortgage Originator with Countrywide and Chase. Go figure? He knows well of the problems that Nelson Self inherited in 2007-08 as well as the undertakings of the Dougmeister since early 2009.
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