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I'm not sure I would term the concern about the ongoing discipline problems to be "griping".  Considering the rampant negative impressions in that regard and the concerns expressed by teachers both publicly (on this forum) and privately, I think the discipline/behavior crisis is the 800 pound elephant in the room.  Many of us were hoping the replacing of Price would result in bold change on this issue.  That has not happened. 
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As I have explained several times before on this forum, Mr. Ison was not hired into a new position, the position was renamed when he was hired.  Two years ago, there were 8 Director positions in central administration. Last year, two Directors were eliminated (Community Relations and Technology) and their duties reassigned to existing staff. The Director of Pupil Services (Mrs. Combs) retired.  Mr. Ison was hired in her place, but with the restructuring the responsibilities had shifted to emphasize instructional leadership--he is responsible (among many other things) for training the principals to be instructional leaders for their buildings, not just managers. Raising expectations. Dr. Carter continues to be in charge of Curriculum, among other things. JSmith is just wrong when she/he says that one person was performing both of these duties.
 
In this year's budget cycle, we have determined that eliminating the Technology director was a mistake.  Especially with the move to the Common Core standards, we need someone in to lead in the area of instructional technology -- how to use technology in the classroom to teach 21st century skills that students will need to compete in the global economy. So that position is being added back.  Dean of Students is to provide assistance to the Principal at the 6th grade center, who currently has no assistant principal. We have found the students needs are too great. My understanding is that Dean of Students is at a lower pay level than an assistant principal would be.  A primary role of Dean of Students would be discipline. I would think with all the griping on this board of the supposed lack of discipline in the schools, people could appreciate the need for someone to handle discipline so that the teachers and principal can focus on teaching and learning.
 
Vet, yes, we need the staff we have.  The requirements from the state and fed are constantly increasing and changing; seemingly never do they eliminate mandates.
 
And, in response to an earlier post, Debbie Sanders has not been hired in this district (although I don't see why it would be wrong if we did. She did not retire when she moved from Middletown to Monroe; she took advantage of an opportunity for a promotion. We don't blackball people who leave the district to gain additional experience).  We are hiring a principal from Monroe, Jennifer Dennis, to replace the retiring principal at Central Academy.
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Originally posted by jsmith2011 jsmith2011 wrote:

The point about Mr. Ison's position I think is mainly that the position was created in the past few years. At one time, there was one administrator who performed the duties or both Mr. Ison and Ms. Carter.

I did notice today that Middletown City Schools has an announcement on their website for ANOTHER ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.....Dean of Students?!?

What the hell?


And, if this new position is actually going to be created, this is what I'm trying to convey, ie, how many positions appear to be in the same realm of expertise and how many layers of duplicate job responsibilities do they need? jsmith states "at one time, there was ONE administrator who performed the duties of both Mr. Ison and Ms. Carter.......why two now? Has the job grown to such a degree of difficulty that it now takes two highly paid admin. to cover what one used to cover? Was the one admin. doing both jobs that efficiently? Are there now more requirements from the state that one can no longer handle it all? Why the increase in highly paid personnel now and what is the justification for positions like "Dean of Students"? Seems as if they are just adding to an already top heavy admin. staff. Are these positions so intense and specific that they need all the staffing?

Ms. Andrew, could you explain all these positions to the taxpayer funding them?
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The point about Mr. Ison's position I think is mainly that the position was created in the past few years. At one time, there was one administrator who performed the duties or both Mr. Ison and Ms. Carter.

I did notice today that Middletown City Schools has an announcement on their website for ANOTHER ADMINISTRATOR POSITION.....Dean of Students?!?

What the hell?
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You're welcome, Vet.   
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Originally posted by rshaffer rshaffer wrote:

VV: according to middletowncityschools.com, Mr. Ison's position is listed as Sr. Director of INSTRUCTIONAL Leadership. His duties include discipline, suspensions/expulsions, Special Education (IEPs), attendance, and "bullying." This department is different from the Department of Learning (which is curriculum-based). All of the school districts comparable in size to Middletown that I am aware of have a designated Assistant---or Associate---Superintendent in this position, and not a "Director." Respectfully, Rick Shaffer


Thank you for the info. Mr. Shaffer.
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Originally posted by Stanky Stanky wrote:

Rick, don't expect to Vet to simply do a little research on the MCSD website. Ranting is more fun.

My complaint is that Mr. Ison apparently does not have a very taxing schedule since there are minimal suspensions and very no expulsions, from what many say. Why should anyone want to enroll here when the inmates run the asylum?


Gee Stanky, I wouldn't characterize my post as "ranting". (yeah, it's fun by the way) Just asking a question that someone of knowledge about the schools could answer. Why does everything have to be researched when a simple question could produce the same results? Just seems to me that there are quite a few positions like Director of Instruction, Director of Curriculum and others that seem like they could be incorporated into other positions, saving the taxpayer some money. Since we all pay into the system to fund these types of jobs, we all have a right to know, don't we?

Ironically, you state....

"My complaint is that Mr. Ison apparently does not have a very taxing schedule since there are minimal suspensions and very no expulsions, from what many say"

This statement could be taken as asking the same thing I said....ie.....what does this guy do with his time to earn his money?

Then follow it with a school complaint (rant in your words) ......

"Why should anyone want to enroll here when the inmates run the asylum?"

You jump my a-- for ranting, then turn around and bitch about the schools too.
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Borrowing from Abraham Maslow's theory on self actualization and needs,
 
"when the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem appears to be a nail."
 
Within city hall and MCSD with the Board, they only have a hammer in hand, and a nail to drive home.
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Rick, don't expect to Vet to simply do a little research on the MCSD website. Ranting is more fun.

My complaint is that Mr. Ison apparently does not have a very taxing schedule since there are minimal suspensions and very no expulsions, from what many say. Why should anyone want to enroll here when the inmates run the asylum?
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VV: according to middletowncityschools.com, Mr. Ison's position is listed as Sr. Director of INSTRUCTIONAL Leadership. His duties include discipline, suspensions/expulsions, Special Education (IEPs), attendance, and "bullying." This department is different from the Department of Learning (which is curriculum-based). All of the school districts comparable in size to Middletown that I am aware of have a designated Assistant---or Associate---Superintendent in this position, and not a "Director." Respectfully, Rick Shaffer
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Originally posted by VietVet VietVet wrote:

Information from jsmith......Middletown - Highest paid average salary for administrators
Middletown - Highest Administrator Cost per Pupil
BUT -- Out of the 10 Butler County Districts that are compared Middletown is in the bottom 1/2 with the number of pupils per administrator.
These comparisons are based on data from 2011 from the Ohio Dept. of Ed. This school year Middletown increased the number of administrators and they have a job announcement on their website to hire another for next year. One of the jobs that were previously cut due to budget constraints in being filled again

If true, could you explain why we have this situation with regard to administrator salaries and cost per pupil, Ms. Andrew? How does the district justify this especially when considering the end results on performance? Why is the school district hiring a person to fill the same position previously cut? Is there other information that we aren't aware of? Please explain.


While we are on the subject of positions within the school system, the April 14th edition of the Journal has this in it's "Re-do bullying" program.

"Middletown Schools senior director of leadership Sam Ison........"

And pray tell, what would a Director of Leadership do on a daily basis for the money we are paying for the salary? What is the taxpayer getting for our money here? This is what has always angered me about the layers upon layers of upper echelon positions here. On the surface, this would appear to be another, "let's create a position for a buddy" scenario. How about incorporating "leadership" in the superintendents job responsibilities and eliminating this position?
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Yes, there are a few school board members quite keen on closing Vail, while Cincinnati State is moving downtown, but the school board thinks it is an "unseemly" area. Go figure. So, they waste money to build. What a disappointment the school board and city council are in Middletown.
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Highview was an elementary school K-5 (and a high performing one) but last year the school board decided to make it a 6th Grade school only so all of those K-5 students from Highview were assigned to other existing elementaries. I don't know how many students it involved but I'm guessing about 400? Now, instead of walking across the street or down the road, they are bused to Amanda, Miller Ridge, etc. etc. No one at Highview was happy about the decision. Not the parents who had to have their children bussed to the other end of town, not the staff, who were moved several times from Roosevelt, Jefferson and other schools when they closed.

So, the school board closed Verity (in anticipation of building a new high school there) although we weren't fully aware of their reasons at that time.

I couldn't understand why they didn't just send the 6th grade students back to their original home elementary schools. At one time, the elementary schools were K-6 but then the school board decided to send 6th grade to the junior highs. They were going to be adding more students in the elementary schools no matter what, why not send the 6th grade back, eliminate the need for all the extra bussing, moving and renovating and leave Highview alone?

I believe now I know the answer. The Phase 2 building project had not been presented to the public at that point.

What a good selling point....need a new junior high to accomodate the 6th, 7th and 8th grade students and convert Highview back to elementary due to overcrowding issues.
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Originally posted by jsmith2011 jsmith2011 wrote:

Due to the fact that the school district made the decision to close Highview as an elementary school and then farm out those students to other elementaries, the school district has created another bigger problem for themselves. Elementary schools are now overcrowded.

Some schools are going to need to add additional classes next year in some grade levels and do not have room for them. One school is considering putting students on the stage?!? What type of learning environment is that? It doesn't matter if it is English or Art, it isn't right.

New schools were built, with our money, they weren't large enough to begin with. One school, Highview, was open several years and then was remodeled for older students. Then they wanted to argue that the cost was not extreme. Whatever the cost, it was a waste of money. Now they want to build more schools which will make Highview obsolete AGAIN and it will be remodeled AGAIN for younger students.





I don't remember reading anywhere that the musical chair usage was occuring at Highview. Not in the Journal that I recall. Who is in charge of the building student alignment- IE, capacity, grades occupying the building, and usage? Milt Thompson is the Manager of the buildings as to maintenance but not occupancy, right? If this was the decision of the Super and the School Board, they certainly have a cluster going on at Highview, don't they? This info. needs to be broadcasted to the public when they get ready to go for their Phase 2 building fiasco. If this is the result of Phase I, we don't need to see Phase 2, do we? May we have an explanation concerning this Ms. Andrew? Reasons for this activity at Highview?
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Due to the fact that the school district made the decision to close Highview as an elementary school and then farm out those students to other elementaries, the school district has created another bigger problem for themselves. Elementary schools are now overcrowded.

Some schools are going to need to add additional classes next year in some grade levels and do not have room for them. One school is considering putting students on the stage?!? What type of learning environment is that? It doesn't matter if it is English or Art, it isn't right.

New schools were built, with our money, they weren't large enough to begin with. One school, Highview, was open several years and then was remodeled for older students. Then they wanted to argue that the cost was not extreme. Whatever the cost, it was a waste of money. Now they want to build more schools which will make Highview obsolete AGAIN and it will be remodeled AGAIN for younger students.



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Acclaro: seriously? chmoore
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traceyl----with your detailed knowledge of the school system, do you believe it is justifiable to have new schools built as part of Phase 2?
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Bill I can only say that in some ways it is getting better but when the principals take a hit on their yearly evaluations for suspensions then what do you think happens? Would you be motivated to boot out the serial offenders? They are still there, all the way down to the elementary level, with their parents who have to take zero responsibility.   That is why Highview is getting an assistant principal, she has her hands full. The elementary loaded up to almost full capacity, with an ED unit full of runners isn't going to get any help though, just more of the ED students. As long as they are handled and no one else has to do it right? There is a lot going on in the district that public just does not know.
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tracyl,
What is your take on the discipline situation under this administration?  More cowardly sweeping under the rug?
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Sooo... the question is the same as getting the message out to the community about the city's unannounced agenda.......how do we go about stirring enough anger in the community about this for the school board (and council) to take notice that the people are fed up? We all know the Journal is the city's journalistic prostitute, told what to report on by the city leaders. We also know that there is no organized resistance to what is going on in the town as well as the schools. A community newsletter to actually report the truth would be a starting point. Need stories from the posts of those in the know about "behind the scenes" activities such as this, need them placed in newsletter form, printed, titled "What They Don't Want You To Know" and distributed to all areas of town (or pay the post office bulk mail rates to deliver them on the routes) Not enough people read this forum to attract the numbers needed to make the city and schools stand up and take notice. Now, how do we get the ball rolling on this, assuming there is enough interest? Someone know a printer? Good on the computer to organize the information and place it in newsletter form? How about postage for bulk mailing? Is it worth it?
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Jsmith Jonas no longer does professional developments because teachers, through surverys stated they spent entirely too much time outside of the classroom with her and Eve Hayes (the person you speak of who was hired to do them). Now, no one seems to kniw what she does to earn the money she makes. No one sees her and when you ask her for supplies ordered FOR students, you don't get an answer. She was just renewed by the way.

Speaking of waste, does anyone know what exactly is MCSD's policy concerning special education?
Are they full inclusion? No one seems to know. All that is known is that there are special ed students in classrooms with little to no intervention during math and reading and IEP's are being written not according to needs but staffing, which is completely illegal.

Vey, jsmith is right. You won't get answers unless a lot of people start getting loud about this. Teachets can confirm a lot of what is being said,but good luck fnding one not afraid to confirm.
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If you cut and paste the link at the bottom of my last post, you will be taken to the article in the Enquirer. There is an interactive link where you are able to put in the school district you want the information about and select the information by county. This information came from the Ohio Department of Education. They do not fudge the numbers and beat around the bush like Middletown City Schools.

Thank you Tracyl for bringing all those questions forth, although I doubt you will ever get a straight answer. If anything is ever questioned, the answer usually is, "That/they are paid through grant money". That makes it unquestionable by taxpayers in the school board eyes.

Kathy Jonas is also in charge of the libraries, heard she was paid an additional $5,000.00 a year to be the "library coordinator" and never contacted one person who worked in the library, never held a meeting, etc. but at the end of the year recommended that all those positions be cut and now the libraries are a mess. I have heard that one school actually has a certified teacher taking a class to the library when the library staff that was cut made 1/3 of a teachers pay. How is that saving money? This year Jonas is in charge of the one librarian who is left but I bet she is still getting that $5,000.00 stipend at the end of the school year. So now, the school district is going to fill those library positions again next year?!?

Jonas is also in charge of professional development for the certified staff. Being paid as much as she is, you would think she would have the knowledge to hold these sessions herself but instead, the school district HIRES outside people to come and teach the information.

She's not the only employee the taxpaying public should question. How about Ms. Grome (may be incorrectly spelled)? She was hired several years ago by Lisa Lowery for a position at an elementary school but she was hired when an employee who was laid off should have been called back. When that employee filed a grievance with the union, sure enough, it was her right to have the job but they had already signed a contract with Grome so she was put in the admin building and given a title. Of course, she has been given another contract and is making the big bucks but she isn't listed anywhere on the school website. What does she do? A better question, who does she know?

Is it true that the new Mayfield principal hired one of her friends from Cincinnati to be the "academic coach" at Mayfield? That's the way it works in this district.

And please don't get me started about the football coach WHO DOESN'T EVEN TEACH and makes $80,0000.00 a year. He's checking tardy students, a job a classified person had at one time who made $25,000.00 a year but the job was given to the last football coach who was hired and didn't have a certificate to teach high school. I guess we should overlook all of that since the team did so well.....

The waste goes on and on in this school district and they have enough nerve to think about asking us for more money? Either the school board is being snowed by the administrators who tell them what they want to hear or the board is just turning a blind eye to all the issues.

I don't think it's "internal turmoil" vet, I think that the school district employees/administrators have found out, years ago, what they can get away with, and have/are taking advantage of us, the taxpayers.

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tracyl,if your post could be factually verified, would be interesting to take your post to the school board meeting, read it verbatim and ask for some answers.

What about this information Ms. Andrew? Any truth in these statements? Could we get a response from the Superintendent on this? He and others in the school system owe the taxpaying public an explanation. We have a right to know what is going on in the schools we are funding. There appears to be alot of internal turmoil that is kept from the public if tracyl is on target.
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Ah Vietvet you are only but scratching the surface here.  Let us ask Ms. Andrews a few more questions shall we?  Questions like, why is Race to the Top money being used for, you guessed it, ADMINiSTRATORS? I guess one could be thankful it isn't being used as Lisa Lowery wanted, to pay for the high school coach.  You cut assistant principals out one year, bring em back the next.  Speaking of administrators, is it not true that Debbie Sanders left MIddletown ina  tizzy awhile back, pulling her children and heading for Monroe (trash talking MIddletown the entire time), only to be cut because she doesn't have her principal's license and then, you guessed it, is the new principal at Central next year? Speaking of no license, is it true some of your overpaid "academic coaches" don't even hold a teaching license?  What's up with that?  And what about TItle 1 funds?  How many of your administrators are paid out of that?  Aren't those funds supposed to be for the students in some fashion?  How does Kathy Jonas help support students? Isn't she one of the ones paid from this fund?  Teachers order supplies for the students from this fund every year and guess what?  This year they didn't get them all.  When you contact her, no response.  Where did that money go?  Why do you have a reading program that we tax payers paid for, one that is research based and aligned to the standards, yet teachers are not allowed to use it and school fee money is not used to reorder supplies for it.  That money is used to order other workbooks.  One last question, I see teacher salaries in the paper.  One of which is a teacher who left the district to go to Butler Tech as an adminstrator of some kind, with the pay to go with it.  She got cut and MCSD hired her back, matching her previous salary from Butler Tech, not in alignment with the schedule.  How is this possible? In my opinion, MCSD has too many chiefs and not enough indians yet it's the indians that are going to get you the scores you so desperately need. You handicap teachers with cuts and minimal supplies, principals are dinged in their evaluations if they suspend the hoodlums, how on earth to you expect things to get better?
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Information from jsmith......Middletown - Highest paid average salary for administrators
Middletown - Highest Administrator Cost per Pupil
BUT -- Out of the 10 Butler County Districts that are compared Middletown is in the bottom 1/2 with the number of pupils per administrator.
These comparisons are based on data from 2011 from the Ohio Dept. of Ed. This school year Middletown increased the number of administrators and they have a job announcement on their website to hire another for next year. One of the jobs that were previously cut due to budget constraints in being filled again

If true, could you explain why we have this situation with regard to administrator salaries and cost per pupil, Ms. Andrew? How does the district justify this especially when considering the end results on performance? Why is the school district hiring a person to fill the same position previously cut? Is there other information that we aren't aware of? Please explain.
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