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Acclaro,
Am I understanding you correctly that the only right HUD has is contractual? That the city signed a contract with HUD? If so, do you have, or can you obtain the contract? |
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Vivian Moon
MUSA Council Joined: May 16 2008 Location: Middletown, Ohi Status: Offline Points: 4187 |
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I have a very basic question. On what legal basis does HUD have the authority to tell the city of Middletown what they can and can't do with their Section 8 program?
It is NOT MIDDLETOWN'S PROGRAM Section 8 is a Federal Funded Program and the City of Each year both parties sign and agree to any and all changes in the Section 8 Program |
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acclaro
Prominent MUSA Citizen Joined: Jul 01 2009 Status: Offline Points: 1878 |
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processor....I forgot about a previous reference by someone that Middletown appealed the HUD ruling and one assumes, audit. A HUD expert would have to find that answer associated with what that entails; does it stay any administrative movement, can Middletown reduce its vouchers while appealing, to get off the Section 8 Kingpin of Ohio throne, I don't know. Perhaps July 1 will provide an answer, if Middletown no longer has administration is moved to Hamilton.
How do un-brand a city from the damage already done by the way processor, to reputation. Bring in a consultant for reputation management, alter the city name? |
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'An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.' - Winston Churchill
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MUSA Citizen Joined: Oct 19 2012 Location: middletown Status: Offline Points: 952 |
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Thank you Vivian and Nelson for the Imformation you have provided. It gives Imformation most citizens have not been privy to. What they have been told at dinner parties is not true it is here in black and white if people choose to read it. Than you!
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acclaro
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processor, I hope you'll indulge, perhaps humor me, on my attempt to answer your question. I am not an expert on HUD Section 8, but like the school levy, assimilated rapidly, the statutes and processes associated with funding new buildings. Likewise, I thank Ms. Moon for her work and dissemination of factual data.
To your question, legally, since Middletown leaders requested the addition section 8 vouchers, as it appears to me, HUD has indicated legally, there are options for Middletown, but none which would negatively negate their desired wish to reduce vouchers they already had requested. To do so, would be a violation of federal law. To be clear, as HUD appears to have communicated, Middletown can move, or have moved, the full administration of the vouchers to alternative sources of administration. By doing so, Middletown would lose the administrative fee of 10 percent, of thereabouts. But, that would not mitigate nor remove the legally bound vouchers already in place at the city's request. As the city has also relied previously upon NSP, NSP2 grants, in the future, grant requests could be impacted upon the city's action. One would assume if the city made an attempt to arbitrary reduce its vouchers by 50-60%, without HUD's approval, HUD would automatically take action, move the current vouchers to the newly appointed administrator, and the city and HUD enter into a legal war costing the city's insurer hundreds of thousands in legal fees, and undoubtedly impact the city's credit rating, reviewed in July, associated with potential liabilities. My take away from the HUD letter and accompanying Section 8 piece authored by UC is Middletown faces enormous housing stock problems in all sectors for many, many years, including commercial. The land bank ends in December of 2014. One would suspect many vacated houses will be siting empty, with no wrecking ball funding to be found. That negatively hastens, and worsens, an already dismal financial picture for property tax valuation going forward. In sum processor, I don't think legally, the cit can undo what it did, and get rid of excess vouchers it needs based upon its socio economic demographics, as the voucher administration will just be moved to Hamilton, and the federal money that follows. HUD would say, as they did in the report, 'congrats Middletown, for taking care of your poor.' And, they provided the answer on the chicken and egg, who came first. They said Middletown's poor determined voucher need which HUD accommodated, and not vouchers given, brought in poverty. Council has the answer. Spend hundreds of thousands in legal fees fighting the federal government, or accept their error made, and live with the consequence. Regardless, housing stock overabundance will remain for years, and without the previous wrecking ball provided by the federal government and state. Welcome Mr. Adkins to the job of building a city to 25,000. |
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Ms. Moon,
Thank you for all of the information you've been providing on Section 8. It's been very helpful to me and has furthered my limited understanding of Section 8. I have a very basic question. On what legal basis does HUD have the authority to tell the city of Middletown what they can and can't do with their Section 8 program? |
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Vivian Moon
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Over the past five years we have had many long and heated debates and discussions about the Section 8 Program on this blog and it’s effect on the City of Middletown. I agree that it is a confusing issue to discuss because there are many different types of HUD housing in the I will also agree that I and Nelson Self, over the years, may have overwhelmed you with facts about these different HUD programs, if so we do apologize to you, because our real intent was to inform you and give you the real facts of these programs and not what you were hearing from those at City Hall. I will also admit that I did not know how to scan and upload these original documents to this site so you had proof of the information we were trying to covey about the huge amount of misinformation you were receiving for City Hall. For this we also apologize. However while I and Nelson Self may have failed to communicate our message on this very difficult and confusing issue in a clear and concise manner...the true facts of the Section 8 Program remain the same...the citizens of Middletown have been terribly misinformed about this program and it’s impact on this community. Since 2010, HUD, CONSOC, Section 8 Program, the landlords and the tenants have been used as a whipping post, and blamed for all the current problems in The facts clearly show that this entire situation was caused by a….. TOTAL FAILURE, IN SEVERAL KEY DEPARTMENT, AND THE LACK OF VISION AND LEADERSHIP AT CITY HALL OVER THE PAST 15 YEARS |
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On face, it would appear Middletown's Section 8 Analysis got an F from HUD.
For $12,000, the head hunter at UD should have checked each candidates LinkedIn profile. Doug needs a spellchecker, to clean up many errors. Didn't know he managed a staff of 100, thought it was about 5. Novel idea council and city manager. Fix roads, defeat cronyism, attract jobs, improve education, and bring in new residents. That takes care of the vouchers. Using it as a crutch for your failures is stale, and invites discrimination review. A new ordinance is being prepared. If you don't drive a Lexus, or a BMW, the city wants you out. There is no place in Middletown, for GM nor Ford vehicles. A Toyota Prius is required if working at MUM. What was that theme from Rawhide- "drive em out, move em out, beat em out, Rawhide." |
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Vivian Moon
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Attachment Set
forth below are direct quotes from the report along with HUD's clarification
and/or correction: SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: HUD's first point regarding
reduction of vouchers was that they would not seriously consider a reduction of
voucher levels while the City maintains a local preference for When we discussed the possibility
of partial voucher transfers, HUD referred us to HUD Notice PIH 2007-06 (HA),
issued on HUD's reliance upon a
"substantiated compelling reason " started the staff process that
lead to the creation of this report. If a substantiated compelling reason
is required to transfer vouchers and HUD won't permit partial transfers while
the City remains high in poverty, what else could be used as a compelling
reason to gain HUD approval? HUD RESPONSE: At no time did HUD
officials make statements concerning reduction of vouchers relative to the
City's local preference for HUD Notice 2007-6, "Process for Public Housing
Agency Voluntary Transfers of Housing Choice Vouchers, Project-Based Vouchers
and Project-Based Certificates" issued Middletown should not act in
anticipation that such a transfer request would be granted when the sole
purpose is to reduce housing assistance to those in need in Middletown.
Currently MPHA has around 1,500 families being served by the program as well as
a lengthy waiting list. A partial or total transfer of the program to another
PHA would not necessarily result in a reduction in the families served by the
program but rather a change in administration of the program to another PHA. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: HUD's
next point was that if we operated our program similar to the Parma
program, we would keep all vouchers active, provide service to over 1600 low
income families, be compliant with HUD program requirements, retain
administrative income from the vouchers, execute the Master Plan objectives,
and still achieve the reduction of vouchers within the City that we seek. HUD RESPONSE: HUD's discussion
about SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: Staff
recommends reducing the payment standard to 90% of FMR within the City of HUD RESPONSE: MPHA's payment standards are
currently set at 100% of the FMR. In accordance with 24 CFR 982.505 9(c) (3)
when the payment standard amount is decreased during the term of the HAP
contract, the lower payment standard amount generally must be used to calculate
the monthly housing assistance payment for the family beginning at the
effective date of the family's second regular reexamination following the
effective date of the decrease in the payment standard amount. Movers and new
admissions within the city would be effected 8 immediately; however, payment standard amounts for families under HAP
contracts cannot be reduced until the second reexamination. HUD does monitor rent burdens of
families assisted by the program and can require a PHA to increase payment
standard amounts within the basic range when 40% or more of families occupying
a particular unit size pay more than 30% of monthly adjusted income as the
family share. It may well be that one payment
standard within In addition, if use of vouchers
outside SECTION 8
ANALYSIS REPORT: Under the MPHA Current Administrative Plan, Section
XVI/(d): The dwelling unit shall be in compliance with HUD lead based paint
regulations, 24 CFR, Part 35, issued pursuant to the Lead Based Paint Poisoning
Prevention Act, 42 USC 28001, and owner shall provide a certification that
the dwelling is in accordance with such HUD regulations. Recommended Changes: The current plan language does
little to document compliance with HUD regulations and/or HUD RESPONSE: The Housing Choice Voucher Program is
subject to the following subparts of 24 CPR Part 35: Subpart A, Disclosure; Subpart B, General Lead-Based Paint
Requirements 9 and Definitions for All Programs;
Subpart M, Tenant-Based Rental Assistance; and Subpart R, Methods and Standards
for Performing Lead Hazard Evaluation and Reduction Activities. Lead based
paint performance requirements are included as part of the Housing Quality
Standards ("HQS") inspections and must be met before a unit can be
assisted or continue to be assisted where the unit and family are subjected to
these requirements. MPHA is proposing to require a
risk assessment for any housing unit constructed prior to 1978 before the HQS
inspection. If lead based paint is discovered on assessment, the owner must
abate each lead based paint surface before commencement of assistance. The changes to the HQS inspection
process and HUD lead based paint requirements that MPHA is proposing to
implement far exceed the requirements required by the regulations. HUD
regulations exempt certain units from lead based paint requirements. Exempt
units include units where a child under the age of six does not reside or is
not expected to reside as well as efficiency units and Single Room Occupancy
("SRO") units. In
addition, in the HCY
program, risk assessments are only required where a child has been identified
as having an environmental intervention blood lead level. To implement the
changes that MPHA is proposing to require as part of HQS inspections would
involve a variation to the HQS acceptability criteria and require HUD approval
as provided in 24 CFR 982.401 (a) (4) (i). Be advised that this office would
not entertain such a proposal as it would severely restrict housing choice.
Roughly 75% of rental occupied housing in SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: For units constructed prior to 1978, owners must complete and submit
the MPHA Lead Paint Owner's Certification, Housing Choice Voucher Program as
part of the Request for Tenancy Approval (RTA). The lead based paint inspector
must be licensed by the State of HUD RESPONSE: The form being
proposed for use would incorporate standards that exceed HQS, as stated above,
which this office will not consider. The referenced forms in the HUD Guidebook
are only for units where a risk assessment is required, i.e. where a child is
determined to have had an elevated blood lead level -not for all units. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: While the City does not employ a rental
registration ordinance to regulate rental units, having a City Building
Inspector perform initial inspections is advantageous in three ways. First, the
timing, paperwork and other problems being experienced with initial inspections
would be alleviated by direct scheduling between Consoc and the City on these
inspections. Second, the inspector is a certified lead based paint risk
assessor by the State of Ohio and this serves as a quality control check that proper
lead based paint inspections are being performed and paperwork is being turned
in with the Request for Tenancy Approval for 10 new
units. Finally, the inspector is also trained on inspecting to the standards in
the International Property Maintenance Code, the local property code. Under 24 CFR § 982.306(c)(6), the PHA
may deny approval of an assisted tenancy when the owner has a history or
practice of renting units that fail to meet State or local housing codes.
Utilizing the City's code enforcement software, the inspector can run a report
of prior violations by any owner or address to determine if such a history or practice exists. Where
appropriate, documentation and reporting would be submitted to the program
administrator for potential denial of the owner based on past practices. HUD RESPONSE: MPHA is proposing to
use the International Property Maintenance Code in conducting its HQS
inspections. As noted above, this change to the inspection process would
involve a variation to the HQS acceptability criteria and require HUD approval
as provided in 24 CFR 982.401 (a) (4) (i). A modification to MPHA's HQS
inspections using portions of the International Property Maintenance Code was
approved by this office in 2002. Any further modifications would require HUD
approval. SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: Local Preferences [24 CFR 982.207; HCVp. 4-16J The PHA is permitted to establish
local preferences and to give priority to serving families that meet those
criteria. HUD specifically authorizes and places restrictions on certain types
of local preferences. HUD also permits the PHA to establish other local
preferences, at its discretion. Any local preferences established must be
consistent with the PHA plan and the consolidated plan, and must be based on
local housing needs and priorities that can be documented by generally accepted
data sources. HUD RESPONSE: Changes to the
occupancy policies and preferences will require a modification to the 2010 PHA
Plan submitted to this office. MPHA may not adopt the modification until a
meeting of the Board of Commissioners/City Council is held and the meeting at
which the modification is adopted is open to the public. Additionally, the
modifications cannot be implemented until notification of the modification is
provided to HUD and approved by HUD in accordance with the review procedures
provided in 24 CFR 903.23 . SECTION 8 ANALYSIS REPORT: The City has supported Hope House for years. We are utilizing HOME funds
in 2010 to assist with $80,000 in renovations for the new Women's Shelter on
Girard. The shelter will be a transitional shelter for 3-6 months to allow victims of domestic violence the
opportunity to safely get away from their abuser and to rebuild their lives. We have recommended a local preference for
victims of domestic violence. We have also recommended a large reduction in
vouchers operating within the City. If it would be appropriate, expanding the number of
vouchers in the SRO program would use more of the City of HUD RESPONSE: The SRO Program is funded by HUD through the Office of Community
and Planning Development. The ACC is separate and apart from the ACC for the
Housing Choice Voucher Program. The subsidy is project based and has nothing to
do with the Housing Choice Voucher Program. Vouchers are not used in SRO
projects
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Vivian Moon
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Mama, or MA, anyone who read the document would determine based upon Middletown's state of financial being, as described by Mr. Adkins, the city needed every voucher it had previously requested and more. It starts at page 3, in the Executive Summary and gets worse from there. Not a convincing way to begin a request, by stating our city is poor, when HUD helps housing those in need.
When reading the Analysis, what Mr. Adkins failed to report was that Armco employed a fraction of employees it once did, and the city of Middletown had gotten fat, dumb, and happy, on feasting on the one pony in town, a steel meal. When the steel mill cut its work force, they had no economic pipeline, and still don't. But as the income had been created by professional physicians and attorneys to attend to Middletown's prior economic stability, and the steel mill employing four times the employees, they were still around, making a good income. That's the inequality reference. To compensate for the inequality balance of wealth, he tried to use income disparity for 500 residents against sixty percent that were at the poverty line. HUD didn't buy it. So sorry Mr. Adkins, but we can't legally throw the majority of your population out, because a fraction of population doesn't like the poor which your report says live in your city in the thousands. They went even further and suggested Middletown might try bringing in business and jobs to help those poor inhabitants. In his report, he referenced they were starting a twitter campaign to drive traffic at the Towne Mall, and Target. What a plan to bring in prosperity. Marriott on Patterson, Oakwood area- brunch, with Starbucks coffee pots filled twice, $16.95. With six kids, it was nice that found him a job when his funding went away with the section 8 transfer, with no net improvement. |
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TonyB
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I'm surprised that anyone who follows Middletown politics and government would not have seen the hiring of Mr. Adkins coming. It certainly makes sense from a continuity point of view to have someone familiar with "the plan" to take the reins. Whether "the plan" will be any more successful under Mr. Adkins remains to be seen (and is dependent on your definition of success). Voter apathy and holding critical issues affecting funding of the schools and the removal of Ward representation during low turnout elections is demonstration that "the plan" is working the way it was designed. Since there is no organized resistance to "the plan" and those who formed and implemented it, it is no surprise that Mr. Adkins was chosen as City Manager.
As for the above assertion that those who can afford $16.95 a plate brunch pay the taxes; well, DUH!!! You can't get taxes out of those who don't have money! That is always the cry of those who want to exclude the poor from voting. That's why the most critical issues that face Middletown are always put on the ballot during the least participated voting periods. How can you justify changing the charter of the city on an 11% turnout? How do you justify tax increases on low turnout votes? It's easy; "they had their chance to vote and didn't show up"! Perhaps the solution is to pass laws that state any change to governmental charters and tax levies can only be on a November ballot during congressional election years (every 2 years). That would, at least, keep cities and school districts from repeatedly using off-year elections to achieve their ends when they can't actually find majority support otherwise. |
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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So a known town ruiner was chosen to do further damage to this city by an inept, clueless group of people known as city council. Not surprising. He falls right in line with the group of Donham Plaza town wreckers. The clueless have chosen an inept person to run this place. Makes sense. Should we have expected any other outcome.....say, a decision with any logic connected to it? The final piece of the coffin is now in place for this city.
And now to middiemom (or city building employee sent here to harass and stir the pot) You show up, out of the blue, attacking all here that are opposed to your little version of town utopia and it's newly appointed grim reaper. Comments suggesting they be given a chance, that Adkins is a good choice........Mercy are you blind to reality. The man turns people off with his uppidy personality. Hardly one to communicate with the people. His deceit proceeds him. There is a truckload of proof that the man is a liar, the man manipulates situations to acquire his desired outcome while constantly placing the town in dire straits in a legal sense. The man is secretive and has no scruples. Hell, the man chooses to live in upscale Mason while he comes to work each day in Middletown to do his daily damage to the city he claims he cares about. He is not a person to be respected. He is a callous, overbearing, unprofessional slug who lacks any moral character nor leadership qualities. He has no overall administrative skills to run a city, hardly the most qualified to fill this position. Worse, yet, he is a part of the group consisting of the MMF, the city council and certain residents of the city building, who have, as their agenda, a completely mis-focused direction, not having a clue what this city really needs to turn it around. Your comments indicate to me that you don't have a clue as to how nice this city once was. If you did, you wouldn't be so apt to defend these worthless people we call city administrators. All need to be fired for what they have done here. We, who have lived through the good times, see first hand how the city and the schools have gone down the toilet since these "new breed, incompetent "leaders" came to town. There is not one of them that can find their behind, even with the aid of a blueprint. You are on the wrong side of being right. You just don't know it. Open your eyes.....see what is really there. |
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I'm so proud of my hometown and what it has become. Recall 'em all. Let's start over.
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Of course, now that we can't even afford decent police or fire departments, things are CERTAIN to get better!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Why??? Because the city leaders for the last ump-teen years, with their myopic, closed door, good-old-boy (and girl) idiotic "visions" have driven our once-proud city into a this-side-of-Detroit, poverty-stricken, low-income-magnet, lets-be-a-quaint-village, no-economic-incentive HELL HOLE!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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We've seen the new plan...it's just like the old plan(s)!!! To keep doing the same thing over and over and expect a different result = INSANITY!!!
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“Mulligan said he ... doesn’t believe they necessarily make the return on investment necessary to keep funding them.” …The Middletown Journal, January 30, 2012
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Also Luke stated....We need to protect our rich, wine drinking residents that pay $16.95 a plate for brunch.
Luke, please tell me where I can get a decent brunch after church for $16.95 a plate. I would love to frequent that establishment unless of course it is something like Golden corral. I'm paying almost double every sunday. Luke, who pays all/most of the taxes in this town? Us "rich wine drinking residents" or the renters, section 8 residents, and heroin addicts?
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Luke, you have exposed yourself as a card carrying union member espousing the views of the minority of employed peoples. There is nothing wrong with blue collar workers. Middletown was built by the blue collared people. But, you need to expect a salary commensurate with your skill set. Don't hold up an entire city or a company for an unjustfiable wage. Especially if you/or your members don't live here and pay taxes. Georgetown may be catholic, but conservative???? Isn't that the same institution that covered up religious symbols at the Obama regime's request while he made a speech there?
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MM: PAGE 3-
"As with most Midwestern industrial cities, Middletown experienced job loss starting in the 1970s as industrial corporations merged, closed, or relocated, decreasing employment in the local manufacturing sector. The effects in Middletown were similar to other parts of the country, with a polarization of the labor market, “where blue collar positions, traditionally occupied by the middle-class, have disappeared and have been replaced by low-wage, non-unionized jobs and high skill, high-wage positions. Such structural transformations have resulted in burgeoning levels of poverty and inequality, characterized by a rapidly growing working-poor population.” 2 "This change is reflected in the median earnings of Middletown residents as compared to surrounding counties. "
We really don't want people who used to make good money in our city, anymore, because they don't make as much as they used to. We need to protect our rich, wine drinking residents that pay $16.95 a plate for brunch. Georgetown is a conservative, catholic university, not Berkley. |
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