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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : WOW .......... I&amp;#039;m speechless!...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=223">2000+</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 3:46pm<br /><br /><P><strong>WOW </strong>.......... I'm speechless!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Gotta go now.......I've got a life to get back to.....</P>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud :    2000+ wrote:Mike,  Of course...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 1:00pm<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><DIV><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br /><FONT face=Arial size=1><FONT face=Arial size=1>Mike, </FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT face=Arial size=1><FONT face=Arial size=1>Of course it's naive to say there are no conspirancies....No one beleaves that... the key word her is "everything."</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>Yes, the key word is "everything", and YOU used it! What in the world gave you the impression that I needed to be told that "Everything is not a conspiracy." Since YOU thought it necessary to remind me of that, I thought perhaps you needed to be reminded of the opposite. </DIV><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />What is there to elaborate about? Those particular meetings are held in council's chamber where camera's are installed with a direct feed to TVM. It has more to do with logistics than any plot to deny the public of coverage. Why don't you contact TVM and ask them to cover X. and report back what they say.</td></tr></table> “What is there to elaborate about?” When YOU said: “There are many a board or committee that are covered by TVM.”, I thought that you actually MEANT “many” as opposed to “one or two”! I simply mentioned the ones that I was aware of, and asked you to elaborate. I guess I should have been more specific and asked you to LIST the others included in your “many”, and perhaps asked if there was a particular time or day when they were aired. And yes, I am aware of the direct feed from council chambers. Did you know that TVM has the capability of recording meetings that occur in other locations for delayed broadcast?</P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />As to "We. " Very few people read the blogs "maybe hundreds" compaired to the numbers who read the newspapers or watch TVM.</td></tr></table> Oh, THAT “we”! I see. I apologize for being confused. Somehow, when YOU Stated: “I'm more interested in your comment; ‘It's all we could do to get the council to allow the council meeting to be televised.’ ”, immediately followed by the question: “Who was we?”, I got the impression that is actually what you were asking! I should have known that you wanted my opinion regarding the readership of blogs compared to the readership of newspapers and the viewers of TV. (Actually, I am part of a conspiracy to duck such questions, but YOU caught us!)</P><P><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />As to your letter to the editor.....I don't know any newspaper editor interested in giving anyone the "right of refusal" when it comes to it's publication of an opinion. Your expected to make your points in a most direct fashion and utilize your best word economy. Don't expect a reply to this type of situation. The editorial editor has much more to do than banter back and forth about opinion. You get that opportunity in a blog not in a newspaper who's paying for the newsprint...etc. etc.</td></tr></table> Thank you for your informative tips on the internal workings of newspapers. I am sure that none of the many letters to the editor that YOU have written have ever been edited, but for some of us who are less talented, letters to the editor have been edited beyond recognition. I, myself, would rather my letters NOT be published, than have them published in a form that does not convey the intended meaning. (That’s just a little quirk of mine…silly me!) Regardless, YOU asked “Why don't you write a letter to the editor of the Journal.…”. I answered that I had, and that I had done so several times, that only one had been published, and offered my opinion on why more had not been published.</P><P>In summary, you originally made a few points and asked a few questions. I addressed every point that you made and answered every question that you asked. Now, YOU reply and seem to imply that I should have answered the questions that you did NOT ask!</P><P>This begs the question: “Do you really want answers?” </P><P>Or, are you merely trying to embarrass or discredit someone with whom YOU disagree?</P><P>Either way, bring it on!</P></FONT></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : Mike,   Of course it&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=223">2000+</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 9:00am<br /><br />Mike, <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Of course it's naive to say there are no conspirancies....No one beleaves that... the key word her is "everything." </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What is there to elaborate about? Those particular meetings are held in council's chamber where camera's are installed with a direct feed to TVM. It has more to do with logistics than any plot to deny the public of coverage. Why don't you contact TVM and ask them to cover X. and report back what they say. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As to "We. " Very few people read the blogs "maybe hundreds" compaired to the numbers who read the newspapers or watch TVM. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As to your letter to the editor.....I don't know any newspaper editor interested in giving anyone the "right of refusal" when it comes to it's publication of an opinion. Your expected to make your points in a most direct fashion and utilize your best word economy. Don't expect a reply to this type of situation. The editorial editor has much more to do than banter back and forth about opinion. You get that opportunity in a blog not in a newspaper who's paying for the newsprint...etc.&nbsp; etc.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:00:35 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud :   2000+ wrote:Mike,  Not everything...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 7:38pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />Mike, <DIV>Not everything is a conspiracy.</td></tr></table>No, not everything is a conspiracy.&nbsp; Then again, it might be naive to say that there are no conspiracies. </DIV><DIV><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />There are many a board or committee that are covered by TVM.</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>I have seen some Planning and Zoning commission meetings covered, but not any of the others.&nbsp; Please elaborate, as I would be interested in watching.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;<table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by 2000+" alt="Originally posted by 2000+" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>2000+ wrote:</strong><br /><br />I'm more interested&nbsp;in your comment; "It's all we could do to get the council to allow the council meeting to be televised." Who was we? Why don't you write a letter to the editor of the Journal.... or are they in on the cover-up too...?</DIV></td></tr></table><DIV>"We" was (and remains) many of the people who post here, some of the people who post on&nbsp;<EM>The Middletown Journal's</EM> blogs but not here,&nbsp;and a some other people who just are like-minded as far as believing in open government!&nbsp; There was just too much discussion of public business, including the making of motions and the voting on same, going on "under the radar" and out of sight of the general public.&nbsp; This council and recent councils seem to be anxious to do all that they can to keep public business OUT of the public's eye.&nbsp; They constantly scheme to do so, and get caught.&nbsp; The City Law Director seems to go out of his way to interpret the law in bizarre ways to open loopholes to allow them to do so.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I have written letters to the editor of <EM>The Journal.</EM>&nbsp; One was published, albeit heavily edited.&nbsp; I have written several others, with the stipulation that I be allowed "right of refusal" over any editing.&nbsp; I have never gotten a reply regarding any of these.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : We agree 2000+ The MJ is functioning...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 11:29am<br /><br />We agree 2000+<DIV>The MJ is functioning to support the far left national agenda of Cox News, in order slowly change the public thinking in this right-thinking pocket of the nation that is so crucial in deciding bigger elections.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>They obviously have no interest in becoming involved in local politics, no matter how ?able people and procedures have become.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>jmo</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : 2000+ &amp;#034; Thomas is a nice...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 10:59am<br /><br />2000+ " Thomas is a nice guy but whoever came up with the "Executive Director" title when he's running a little community channel with 2 employees..... one of which really does all the outside work.."-  PERFECT description of the way city hall is run in this town!!! This paints a picture of what you see when you review each city department. Four chiefs managing four indians. Example: Public Works Dept.- 1 Director; 1 Assist. Director; 1 Supervisor; 1 Team Leader; 3 machine operators; 1 admin. I can accept the Journal not having the manpower to do investigative reporting, but your statement about not having any interest is troubling. For us folks who have been here for a long time, it is rather apparent that the Journal, TV Middletown, the Council/City Manager and the School Board is controlled as to message, content, timing, and direction that is conveyed to the general population. IMO, a little change here from your statement-- The editorial page is there to put the CONTROLLING GROUP'S opinion on issues that the CONTROLLING GROUP wants the people to hear.]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : Spider,  TheJournal does not...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=223">2000+</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 10:18am<br /><br />Spider,<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The&nbsp;Journal does not have any interest or staff for any investigative reporting.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;The editorial page is there to put their general opinion on issues they or others have&nbsp;brought forward and they choose to support.&nbsp;&nbsp;Those who direct and run TVM .... their matra is "Positive.. Positive ... Positive." The general public will never be allowed in unless they meet the smell test that supports the elite. As to Ty Thomas, nice guy but who ever came up with the "Executive Director" title when he's running a little community channel with 2 employees....one of&nbsp;which really does all the outside work.... about 90%...?</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : Conflicts of Interest was touched...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 7:36am<br /><br />Conflicts of Interest was touched on by the Charter Committee. Les Landen said that the Council, city employees and volunteer city committees can not have any conflicts with business interests. They can buy from the city but they can't sell to the city. But what about Council participating with business owners to develop candidates to alter the primary decision making of this town for the purpose of controlling the direction of the town to the detriment of the citizens????? Is there anything to stop people in a political office from "co-mingling" with business power brokers to set up an election system that controls the make-up of Council that will work against the people? Council people are suppose to be "neutral" in the use of their political office as it relates to the people. Not "stack the deck" for election purposes.]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : doubtful 2000+ for the MJ to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 7:22am<br /><br /><P>doubtful 2000+</P><DIV>for the MJ to be "in on the cover-up too"</DIV><DIV>they would have to know about something in the first place</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>TVM is a shill for the MMF group, and needs a new leader and board, willing to represent all segments of the community</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>jmo</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Middletown Moving Forward Election Fraud : Mike,  Not everything is a conspiracy....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=223">2000+</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1101<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 8:24pm<br /><br />Mike, <DIV>Not everything is a conspiracy. There are many a board or committee that are covered by TVM. I'm more interested&nbsp;in your comment; "It's all we could do to get the council to allow the council meeting to be televised." Who was we? Why don't you write a letter to the editor of the Journal.... or are they in on the cover-up too...?</DIV>]]>
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