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   <title>Not Looking Good : A Comparison ofCollege/University...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=289">Go Buckeyes!</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 3:48am<br /><br /><P><FONT color=#ff00ff size=4><U><EM><strong>A Comparison of&nbsp;College/University Graduates in the U.S.A. to that of&nbsp;India and Communist China</strong></EM></U></FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>How does our country&nbsp;compare with India and Communist China insofar as&nbsp;the number and/or percentage of students graduating annually from colleges and universities&nbsp;with mathematics and science-related bachelors's and advanced degrees?&nbsp; We are slowly but surely losing ground in this area and the negative impact to our future economic health is alarming!</FONT></P>]]>
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   <title>Not Looking Good : FOUNDATIONS for SUCCESS   Whether...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=289">Go Buckeyes!</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;16&nbsp;2009 at 10:32am<br /><br /><strong><EM><U><FONT color=#0000ff>FOUNDATIONS for SUCCESS</FONT></U></EM></strong><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><FONT size=3><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></P><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Whether you’re building a house, baking a cake or playing Tic Tac Toe, if you don’t start out well the percentages are against you for having a good outcome.</FONT></DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Don’t believe me? Try building a house without pouring a foundation that is square and level and then try to square the walls or put the roof on straight. Try baking a cake without greasing the pan first. Try to win at Tic Tac Toe without making an X in the middle square on the first turn. I’m not saying these things can’t be done, but the effort required is much greater than if you did things right the first time.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>In Middletown could it be that&nbsp;high school dropouts and graduation rates illustrate this point very well? The higher the truancy rates, the lower the grades. The lower the grades in Elementary School, the more likely the student is to not graduate.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Not only do we have a child dropping out of school, but the society will likely be burdened by someone incapable of being a productive and self sustaining citizen. Worse yet, that child may become dependent on the state. </FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Education is made even more difficult by the accelerating growth of knowledge itself. I heard a speaker say once knowledge doubles every five years. In other words, if you could take all the knowledge in the world and put that knowledge in a pile, then the size of the pile would double in five years. The pile would then double again in yet another five years. Yet society still has only 18 years to provide the first level of education and hopefully funding exists to provide another 4 years for some percentage of youth.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Accordingly, increasing the number of hours children are scheduled to spend in school is vital. What’s more does it make sense that&nbsp;children must be there for those scheduled hours? Truancy is unacceptable. In addition, children must be given the skill and desire to continue their education beyond the first 18 years.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Underachievement is nothing new. Junior High School seems to be the place where the lack of achievement in Grade School really seems to reveal itself. Junior High School is the place where physical growth can embolden students to challenge teachers and disrupt the classroom. If you’re struggling to keep up with what’s being taught, then disruption is one way of coping. If you can slow the pace of what’s being taught, then you may feel you are not falling behind so quickly.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Some will doubtless attempt to blame&nbsp;teachers for their role in the underachievement of students. For my part, I have often said the responsibility of teachers is to teach, but as well the responsibility of students is to learn and we seem to hamper the ability of teachers to enforce discipline so teachers are able to teach.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>For example, isn’t suspending a child from school so they can sit in an empty house and watch TV while the parents are at work actually rewarding bad behavior? Isn’t that an incentive for continued bad behavior, rather than a disincentive?</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Where and how do we get in people’s faces, interrupt their pattern and turn them around? I heard Tony Robbins remark once how amazing it is to look at the approach of two people who have come from similar depressing circumstances. One uses their circumstances as an excuse for lack of achievement. The other uses the circumstances as the fuel to propel their achievement. How do we get more of the latter and less of the former? As Robbins said, what if we could find the key to make everyone use their circumstances as fuel, rather than an excuse?</P><DIV></FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>How do we make people understand the importance of education? At what point should the state be empowered to step in for its own survival and override ineffective parenting? How do we stop children having children? (One answer we know for sure--not with abstinence only sex education. I read somewhere recently that <?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:State w:st="&#111;n"><st1:place w:st="&#111;n">Texas</st1:place></st1:State> uses that method and has the highest teen birth rate in the country.) </FONT></DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>If we do not lay a strong educational foundation with our children, then our collective house will be unable to stand the test of time, our cake will be inedible, and we will be unable to win the competitive games of the future. Surely we do not want such a future.</FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"></FONT></P></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>]]>
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   <title>Not Looking Good : So Smartman, you are telling me...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;27&nbsp;2009 at 9:34am<br /><br />So Smartman, you are telling me that the School System, can't have a dress code, Can't have a policy on how students are expected to act during school hrs., has no policy on students that continually disrupt a classroom, etc. and enforce it?<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Paddling is still an option in many schools, mostly in the South from what I have seen.&nbsp; I have seen schools that have dress codes, no cell phones during school time, etc. and the rules are enforced.&nbsp; So what is up with Ohio?</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 27 Mar 2009 09:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Not Looking Good :            It&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;27&nbsp;2009 at 8:23am<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0.75pt"><FONT size=3><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-ansi-: EN">It's time for us to clean house and save our schools like they have in Washington D.C.<BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>http://www.middletownjournal.com/o/content/oh/story/opinions/editorial/2009/03/25/swg032509kristof.html<o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Not Looking Good : Schools should just try to educate...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=190">tomahawk35</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 10:21pm<br /><br /><P>Schools should just try to educate all instead of trying to sort.</P>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 22:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Not Looking Good : Pacman, Back in our day we had...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=131">Smartman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 9:22pm<br /><br />Pacman, Back in our day we had punishment in school. It was called paddling! I got a time or 2 and I'm sure you did as well. Hands are tied for the schools. Can't paddle, cant suspend without an appeal, and the parents that need to be at conference dont show up! to that, there is nothing that the teachers or admin can do. Maybe it should become a state mandate that parents go to conferences. Problem students and parents meet with the schools administrators, teachers, and the psycologist. This way everyone is affected from the financally challenged to the well doers!]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 7:49pm<br /><br />Agreed Smartman, but hasn't the education&nbsp;system also contributed to much of this problem?&nbsp; When I was in school discipline was a must and you respected your teachers even if you didn't learn that at home.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>One or two students weren't allowed to be a constant distraction in class, after x number of problems you were out the door and into a classroom that dealt with those students.&nbsp; Today it is lets caudle them and try to understand them and on and on and on.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I live near the High School and see the problems on a regular basis believe me.&nbsp;&nbsp;Many students has zero respect for their elders, other peoples property etc. and calling the school might as well go out and spit into the wind.&nbsp; I agree it starts at home but the ones that lack discipline and initiative are just pushed on thru the system.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 25 Mar 2009 19:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Not Looking Good : There is a true economic difference,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=131">Smartman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 7:25pm<br /><br />There is a true economic difference, since I was theer, my son's (graduated 98 and 03) and now my daughter (class 0f 2011) That is true in any community so let me clear about that. We are victims of our city's section 8&nbsp;policy, family problems, and the attitude from parents that what ever the students get is the teachers and schools responsibility. I learned the hard way as a kid growing up in this district. My parents expected me to succeed and there weree consequences if I didn't! A belt and confimed to my room. No cell phones or computers, or cable! Can you relate Vet?<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Problem students have the idea that an education is owed them, rules dont matter and they are not to be held accountable. This is not the majority of students at MHS, but the few that bring down test scores and just dont care. I can show you many that do care. My daughter for example has a 4.25 gpa and asked for help for the OGT on her own. As did a large group of her friends.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I know it has been said that I am a staunch supporter and I will wear the tag proud. I dont always agree with Dr Price or decisions from downtown. AQll I know is my child is successful because of her own drive and her mother and fathers involvement in her life. Her friends are successful for the same reasons. </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 6:28pm<br /><br />Smartman, please elaborate on what is different now in the say the way High School is now.&nbsp; My son is not there yet but will be in a few years.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=131">Smartman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1140<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;25&nbsp;2009 at 4:56pm<br /><br />Apoligies to 80Vet. VietVet same comments to you! This is a different generation than the one your son grew up in years ago! Get out of your comfort zone and see for yourself. It is very easy to complain when you are not willing to really go and see what has changed. I can say with great confidence that the atmosphere today is quite different than the days when our kids were there. ]]>
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