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   <title>Will Obama Keep Us Safe? : I find it hard to believe that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;08&nbsp;2009 at 7:36am<br /><br />I find it hard to believe that waterboarding has only been used 3 times against 3 Al-Qaeda terrorists&nbsp;and not since 2003 and the Liberals are going to drag this country Thur this mess&nbsp;to satisfy the&nbsp;Dem's lust&nbsp;for revenge and disdain for Conservatives...unbelievable. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Be Careful what you wish for as it appears that some Liberals may end up with more dirt on their hands that originally thought.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Obama is an intelligent leader&nbsp;and he should have put a stop to this long ago, but he is being manipulated by the far left in his party and constituents, Moveon.org, Soros, etc. to let this play out.....SAD.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley21.gif" height="17" width="23" border="0" alt="Thumbs%20Down" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Will Obama Keep Us Safe? : Hmmmm who knew what about EITand...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;08&nbsp;2009 at 7:17am<br /><br />Hmmmm who knew what about EIT&nbsp;and when they knew it. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.human&#101;vents.com/downloads-pdfs/EIT%20Briefings.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.humanevents.com/downloads-pdfs/EIT%20Briefings.pdf</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><img src="http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090429/capt.ee09cf0363dd4410b86e619ca38c30f2.100_days_democrats_dcev104.jpg" border="0" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So much for Pelosi's "I knew nothing".</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2009 at 1:51pm<br /><br /><DIV align=center><strong><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>WARNING THIS POST CONTAINS GRAPHIC MATTER ABOUT A SERIOUS ISSUE.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><EM><U><strong><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></strong></U></EM>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><EM><U><strong><FONT color=#0000ff></FONT></strong></U></EM>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><EM><U><strong><FONT color=#0000ff>ScrapMonkey Says:</FONT></strong></U></EM></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>"How would any one of you feel if you were to be arrested for a crime (and being possibly innocent) and instead of being interrogated you were tortured ?"</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>ScrapMonkey you seem to be confused.&nbsp; We are not talking about being arrested for Shoplifting here or Mugging someone, we are talking about terrorist.&nbsp; Terrorist who attack innocent people, Terrorist who are captured on the battlefield.&nbsp; We are not talking about Uniformed Soldiers in a declared War.&nbsp; We are talking about People who capture civilians and cut their heads off for the hell of it to make their convoluted and perverse point.&nbsp; The last time I checked I didn't see any Americans flying planes into Mosques with the intention of killing thousands of people or blowing up embassy's with innocent civilians at work, or driving boats up to Naval Ships and blowing themselves up, or hijacking airliners, or shooting up an airport, or walking into a coffee shop and blowing themselves up.&nbsp; These are Muslim extremists, i.e. Terrorist.&nbsp; So your getting arrested and interrogated argument just doesn't hold water.&nbsp; We are not just willy nilly pulling people off the street for the hell of it and interrogating them&nbsp;in this manner.&nbsp; And before you go there Timothy McVeigh if he had been caught prior to the Bombing in Oklahoma I would be all for enhanced interrogation on him also.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>Terrorists</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.truthdig.com/images/eartothegrounduploads/khshmohammed_300.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www2.nati&#111;nalreview.com/article/ramzibinalshibh.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.greatdreams.com/mcveigh.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>Innocents</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=5></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=5>Daniel Pearl</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.heatherrobins&#111;n.net/wp-c&#111;ntent/uploads/2009/02/daniel-pearl.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>Nairobi Embassy Bombing</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.washingt&#111;npost.com/wp-srv/inatl/images/africa/embassy/embassygal8.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>Oklahoma City Bombing</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.lexingt&#111;nprosecutor.com/images/OKBombing.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2><strong><EM><U>More Confusion from ScrapMonkey:</U></EM></strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2><strong>"And why is it ok to torture suspected terrorist but it's not ok for them to torture your loved ones?"</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#000000 size=2>Where have you been&nbsp;Living under a rock.&nbsp; You don't remember the beheadings, you don't think the few U.S. Soldiers caught in Iraq weren't tortured.&nbsp; Torture is a way of life in the Muslim world.&nbsp; Here let me refresh your memory.&nbsp; This is graphic and not even the most graphic part of the tape.&nbsp; </FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>Torture in the Middle East</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/9SqPyOjRCLA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV><FONT size=5><strong>U.S Soldiers Tortured in Iraq then killed</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=5></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><img src="http://www.hyscience.com/archives/Missing%20Soldiers.jpg" border="0" /></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><EM><U><FONT color=#0000ff>And More from ScrapMonkey</FONT></U></EM></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>....if we do not want to turn the entire Muslim world against us.....</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#000000>Until such time as the Muslim world stands up to these home grown terrorists groups and denounces them and actually makes a concerted effort to kill them or bring them to justice and stops harboring them,&nbsp;I don't really care if the Muslim World likes it or not.&nbsp; 95% of The Muslim world in the USA sits by and does nothing and says nothing.&nbsp; In the Middle East it is even worse.&nbsp; Until such time as they step forward and actually take a more active roll in this issue, what they think of our handling of the Terrorists matter is of little concern to me personally.</FONT></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now in the Muslim Mosques in the USA Muslims are actually encouraged to hate Americans, the infidels.&nbsp; They are taught this by Church leaders and literature supplied by the Saudi Governement.&nbsp; In the mean time we will sit by as usual and then it go on until there are more attacks and them we will react.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/7HbMjvsr4Co" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=6><FONT size=3>SAUDI PUBLICATIONS ON </FONT><FONT size=3>HATE IDEOLOGY</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=6><FONT size=3>INVADE AMERICAN MOSQUES</FONT> </DIV></FONT><DIV><a href="http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.freedomhouse.org/uploads/special_report/45.pdf</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=274">Perplexed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 8:28pm<br /><br /><FONT size=4>Scrap Monkey -</FONT><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>How would you feel if you'd worked for the City of Middletown and performed your duties at or above required standards only to be forced out the door because you knew too much about mismanagement and waste of Federal funds.&nbsp; To me, that was torture of an emotional kind that sent me twice to Atrium Hospital.&nbsp; Needless to say, there are&nbsp;negative financial aspects as well.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>The emotional part was mostly verbal and as mean,&nbsp;sadistic and humiliating as I could ever imagine.&nbsp; So, in my humble experience, I'e experienced torture here on the home front in Middletown, Ohio courtesy of the "suddenly recently retired" and current municipal government elitists!</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>Nelson Self</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>CD Administrator ("RESIGNED??")</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Will Obama Keep Us Safe? : Vivian,I can appreciate what your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=253">scrapmonkey</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 8:01pm<br /><br />Vivian,I can appreciate what your son is doing,there is nothing as sacred as serving your country,like so many I too served for 6 years. I think what everyone is missing here is that TORTURE is a lot different than INTERROGATING. You can interrogate without using the barbaric ways of torture,two totally seperate things. How would any one of you feel if you were to be arrested for a crime (and being possibly innocent) and instead of being interrogated you were tortured ? Everyone of you would be running to a lawyer so fast your head would spin. And why is it ok to torture suspected terrorist but it's not ok for them to torture your loved ones ? Anyone here ever hear of the Geneva Convention ? And no the terrorist are not going to live by the convention rules,but we have to ! We are the example,if we do not want to turn the entire Muslim world against us then we must exercise what we have preached for decades. We as a nation and people are above this type of treatment. If we stoop to the level of the terrorist then we become what they claim we are,we become terrorist ourselves.]]>
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   <title>Will Obama Keep Us Safe? : Don&amp;#039;t care about people&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 4:44pm<br /><br />Don't care about people's rights in war, just survival. I'm not convinced that waterboarding was effective on all terrorists. Saw stories where individuals were waterboarded many times and they still didn't get the info out of them. A stronger, more effective method should be used on some of them. We also need to televise these methods as they do the beheadings and send them to all terrorists cells including them thare Taliwackers. What do they fear the most that will prevent them from meeting their maker? That's what we need to do- play to their fears of not fulfilling the Koran and televise it. Deny 'em those virgins! Show them we can be brutal too if need be. I have no compassion for anyone who doesn't value life so why show any? The US cares too much about it's image in the world as it relates to brutality and is too careful not to anger the Muslim world. The terrorists could care less about the brutality thing and use the Muslim anger card against us. Maybe it's time we stopped caring so much and stopped being so selective on who's a-- we kick. ]]>
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   <title>Will Obama Keep Us Safe? : ScrapMonkey you and Obama should...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 1:45pm<br /><br />ScrapMonkey you and Obama should make this required reading&nbsp;for all terrorists and enemies of the US of A, as if it isn't already mandatory reading for all terrorists. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.fcnl.org/pdfs/civ_liberties/Field_Manual_Sept06.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.fcnl.org/pdfs/civ_liberties/Field_Manual_Sept06.pdf</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Like I said take them McD's for a Big Mac and then to Motel 6.&nbsp; Wouldn't want to make anyone uncomfortable.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 1:38pm<br /><br /><DIV><strong>"Not one of the replies here has a good explanation for using it."<BR><BR></strong><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>Scrapmonkey<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>My only son is now serving and has been sent to the Middle East four times.</P><DIV>Maybe when your son is in the line of fire we will talk again.</FONT><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></SPAN></DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 11:51am<br /><br /><DIV><strong>"Not one of the replies here has a good explanation for using it."</strong></DIV><DIV><strong></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Preventing the death of Americans is a good enough reason for me or an eminent attack on Americans.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>"And how come you don't support the beheading of soldiers today in Iraq since it's WAR?"</strong></DIV><DIV><strong></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Your idea of what&nbsp;torture is&nbsp;and enhanced interrogation procedures&nbsp;are two different things.&nbsp; You would let Amercians die to preserve your idealogy about torture, I and many other Amercians&nbsp;wouldn't.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=253">scrapmonkey</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1261<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;01&nbsp;2009 at 11:01am<br /><br /><strong>Well I feel sorry for everyone who supports torture. So tell me,during Vietnam our soldiers were tortured by the North Vietnamese,did any of you support that since it was WAR ? And how come you don't support the beheading of soldiers today in Iraq since it's WAR ? That excuse is just as pathetic as "it keeps us safe". You can fight a war without torture,torture is not about fighting a war. Torture results from hatred. Torture is a morbid procedure for gaining control. I'm not ignorant,I know torture is as old as the ages itself,but in this modern day why do we,as the most civilized nation in the world,need to do it ? Not one of the replies here has a good explanation for using it.</strong>]]>
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