Middletown Forum : Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown Tue, 06 Oct 2026 09:59:36 +0000 Thu, 28 May 2009 21:17:43 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1329 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : spiderjohn wrote: The "in... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6796&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6796 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 9:17pm

Originally posted by spiderjohn spiderjohn wrote:

 
The "in your face name-calling threatening approach" seldom works and hasn't worked here.
 
jmo
Spider,
It worked really well in 1776!!!
We just need enough people and enough COMMITMENT to follow through!!!
]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 21:17:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6796&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6796 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Yes to all of your ?s Vet. If... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6795&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6795 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 8:19pm

Yes to all of your ?s Vet.
If you can't find any derogatory personal comments here, then.............
I am as guilty as anyone else, and this ain't a f'n sermon.
I have been through all of those actions mentioned, however I didn't quit or go away.
I formed common bonds with many names who were supposed to be thinking "differently". It worked then, and CAN work elsewhere.
Just hold your place, and work your position from a warmer perspective.
It might work--It might not.
Keep voting, and add a few more votes with you each time.
Eventually you may lead the committee.
Eventually many like you(+ your new associates) will lead the other committees.
More constant involvement should lead to better candidates gaining the confidence to step forward into a more accepting system.
I am not talking about "bringing around" existing staff/Council.
I am talking about gradually building a better more powerfu concensus to change those in position, and change the municipal mindset thereafter.l
 
General--we are hardly newborns off the last bus--we pretty much all know first-hand what goes on around here. You might have good specific necessary information(please keep it coming), but it is just a small piece in completing this puzzle.
 
I have no problem with anyone here disagreeing, still it is my thinking.
Ya don't have to like it.
]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 20:19:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6795&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6795 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Spider - I ask that you consider... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6794&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6794 Author: General Patton
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 7:38pm

Spider -

I ask that you consider the planned demise of the HUD Consolidated Planning Committee.  You know some of these housing industry professionals and concerned target area neighborhood residents.  They were put out to pasture by the power brokers!  What on God's green earth leads you to believe that the occupants of One Donham Plaza really believe in meaningful citizen participation?  This time, I respectfully disagree with you.  I know first-hand of what I speak!!

General Patton

 

 

]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 19:38:38 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6794&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6794 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Spider- and specifically, what... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6793&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6793 Author: VietVet
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 7:23pm

Spider- and specifically, what demeaning, insulting name calling are you referring to by this group? Get involved in committees, boards and volunteer efforts?- Did you not read the feedback from the people on this forum as it pertains to those committees? Did you not ascertain the general scenario of what was encountered while on those committees? Exclusion, ignoring ideas and comments, facial expressions of disapproval coming from club members on these committees as one spoke and asked questions that were apparently taboo? All were encountered by me on the Street Repair Committee and I know Mike has eluded to his experiences on exclusion of the Finance Committee. I respectfully disagree with you on taking the kinder-gentler approach. The people running this city can't be brought around with kinder-gentler. To them it's a sign of weakness. They must be forced out by an angry majority that uses hardline tactics to match their insistance of ignoring the masses. Just out of curiosity, what prompted this lecture to the forum on name calling and the proper approach to this subject? ]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 19:23:47 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6793&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6793 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : SpiderjohnI agree with you…..however... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6792&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6792 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 7:04pm

Spiderjohn
I agree with you…..however for some reason it doesn’t work in this town. I have always liked the “lead by example” and "gather as you go"…..however it doesn’t seem to work in this town. The public committees and boards are lead my council members and the people have NO POWER or VOICE to help produce change. The will of the people is not being heard...thus the apathy of the people. How many times have we all heard "Why should I serve on that committee again?"

LEADERSHIP starts at the top....
If you form a committee for change pick two projects
1 short term and 1 long term.
Then make a detailed list of how to solve these problems.
Each member of the commtitee must have an active role.
We will need all the brain power we can get from young and old to solve these problems and bring change to Middletown.
]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 19:04:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6792&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6792 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : There probably won't be any... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6791&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6791 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 4:47pm

There probably won't be any meaningful effort put together by this group as long as the demeaning and insulting name-calling approach is dominant here. No one positive and credible will associate with those tactics.

People want change, however they want to do it in a constructive positive manner, led by positive team-building role models displaying an inclusive desire to involve everyone towards a new bonding of the citizens.
 
This forum has done a lot to make the right people aware of many situations. Hopefully the aftermath will produce a new, younger and gentler(but firm and un-wavering) group to pick up the torch.
 
The same group having the same type of meetings as prior will go nowhere. Get involved in the committees,boards and volunteer efforts and continue to positively spread the word at those venues. Bring the change softly from within.
 
The "in your face name-calling threatening approach" seldom works and hasn't worked here.
 
jmo
]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 16:47:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6791&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6791 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Vet I'm ready for a meeting... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6790&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6790 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 3:20pm

Vet
I'm ready for a meeting now that I'm not spending all my free time at a cemetery..
]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 15:20:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6790&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6790 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Yes Vet I remember I was there.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6789&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6789 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 2:33pm

Yes Vet I remember I was there.  That was what 1 1/2 years ago or so.  A lot has changed since then.  A lot more info has become public knowledge since then.  ]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 14:33:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6789&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6789 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : Pacman- we had agenda items at... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6788&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6788 Author: VietVet
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 2:09pm

Pacman- we had agenda items at the Library meetings. The agenda items included the streets ( I brought some info from the street repair committee once for discussion), finances within the city, -- things that you are suggesting. We usually had 5 or 6 people attend. On one occasion, Scott-Jones and Marconi showed up and we had an interesting talk. Spider and Mike might remember that. The group became "disinterested" in meeting and just dissolved. I guess we all thought that meeting for the sole purpose of discussion was ok, but no one came up with a "ok, what do we do with our discussions and what is the next level to take them to". It just never materialized into something beyond the talk. Kind of like this forum. What do you say folks- do you all want to meet some Saturday to discuss how to take all these comments and put them to good use? November election time is getting closer and we still haven't talked about how we'll support the new people to oust the incumbants. They'll have their usual backers who normally are strong enough to put them over the top. We need to convince the voters outside the club to outnumber the club vote to seat these new people. Otherwise- we're stuck with the deadwood again.]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 14:09:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6788&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6788 Term Limits Sprouts wings in Middletown : I think a better way to do it... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6787&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6787 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1329
Posted: May 28 2009 at 1:42pm

I think a better way to do it Vet is to first setup a group of 5 or 6 or whatever the number may be and try to get some specific issues down on paper i.e. Term Limits, Section 8, Candidates, City Halls lack of response to its citizens, you get the idea.  You want to stay away from, "Oh my neighbor has 20 cats what are you going to do about it."]]> Thu, 28 May 2009 13:42:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1329&PID=6787&title=term-limits-sprouts-wings-in-middletown#6787