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Middletown Forum : Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : School Board : Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished Wed, 07 Oct 2026 06:14:52 +0000 Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:36:14 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1421 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Garfield was little more than... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7913&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7913 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 8:36am

Garfield was little more than a very expensive(per pupil cost) baby-sitting service to isolate the bad actors from the other students. The concept was fine, however the results weren't very good. The system couldn't afford it any longer. It has been gone for years, Mr.Wood. ]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:36:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7913&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7913 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Merrell, I dont know you but... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7908&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7908 Author: AKBobby
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Posted: Jun 29 2009 at 8:24am

Merrell,

I dont know you but I have a great amount of respect fro you from the discipline editiorial you wrote in the Journal. Nice work!

]]> Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:24:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7908&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7908 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : What ever happened to Garfield... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7693&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7693 Author: MerrellWood
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Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 7:26am

What ever happened to Garfield Alternative School? I would have included it as part of my column last Sunday had I remembered it used toexist. I had a few emails about that ussue]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2009 07:26:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7693&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7693 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : After challenging Dr.Ewers'... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7421&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7421 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 18 2009 at 12:42pm

After challenging Dr.Ewers' comments at the Monday school board meeting, I must commend him for a wonderful pertinent piece in today's MJ.

HOWEVER discipline issues within are schools are much more broad than black males.

Eliminate the word "black" from his editorial, and the writing should apply to EVERY family and neighborhood.

Thanks Dr.---! knew you would step up to the plate on this one!!

Now maybe a companion piece from the NAACP, and a release from the school board about "disclinary" procedure changes for next year?

]]> Thu, 18 Jun 2009 12:42:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7421&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7421 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : oops stuck inside of Mobile... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7335&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7335 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 17 2009 at 7:36am

oops

stuck inside of Mobile with the Memphis blues

so an abbreviated part deux:

Put the proper plan/procedures in place for the beginning of the next school year, with student/parent mailings outlining everything going out by late July/early August with plenty of time for discussion/clarification(but NOT changes at the beginning). That way everyone knows what to expect. They don't HAVE to like it, but will be held to the situation.

Any displeased organizations or groups will have to live with it. We don't all get what we want, but we will get exactly what we need for now(another great song!). The rule-abiding good citizens' majority has been held hostage far too long for such a small % of disruptors.

Hopefully this issue will sprout new school board candidates, and a leadership change will follow. No more hiding behind Dr.Price as a poor excuse. Let's move on and do it properly,definitively and quickly. The student we save may well be your own.

Face it--a great part of our negative community perception is the overall performance/perception of our school system, and it ain't because of the new buildings.

There are far too many wonderful students within our system, doing a myriad of good things and accomplishments. Let's eliminate the problems and showcase those so talented and deserving! Ultimately THEY are the ones worthy of so much attention. We have good faculty. Let them perform to their optimum by being able to control the classroom with a clear understanding that disruption and bad behavior now has zero tolerance(I know a scary word/concept--even to spiderman).

]]> Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:36:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7335&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7335 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : I am spending far too much time... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7333&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7333 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 17 2009 at 7:04am

I am spending far too much time here.

Concern or simply self-gratifying addiction?

The truth is sometimes scary.

I was stunned by the verbal presentations by Ms.Bronson and Dr.Ewers at Monday's school board meeting.

I don't see why we cannot have both diversity and discipline, and wonder if they became intertwined, we might blast out of this situation much sooner.

If Ms.Bronson(NAACP) is so concerned about protecting the students, why doesn't she and her organization go to the root causes of the disciplinary situation and continual classroom disruption? Go to the root source of the problem and direct your efforts to changing things for the better BEFORE these problem "students" ever walk into the door of our public education system(which is here for everyone who can function properly within)?

Dr.Ewers should know better. If students had become a continual disciplinary and disruptive presence at Miami-Middletown, he would be the first person raising his voice and holding the exit door open. What has become of the many highy-publicized and acclaimed "mentoring programs" that he has championed for many years? Why haven't they produced better results?

Mr.Sauter did the right thing, in the opinion of the vast majority of citizens. He represented the concerned majority, who wants their children to be properly educated without fear or disruption. Not really asking for anything that they should ever have to request, is it?

Simply put--the school board/admin hierarchy had their protocol feathers ruffled, and that is now behind them. Now is the time to follow up on Mr.Sauter's action with the proper direction to have in place with the beginning of the next school year.

No trouble--no excuses.

Get the job done by greatly reducing the problem.

If we are going to have "resource officers"(policemen in our schools), end the buddy buddy situation with students, and make them law enforcement officers like they have been trained. Get the violence and the disruptive repeaters out immediately with finality. Odds are slim that these "students" will change for the better at this late time of their academic career. Elimination and enforcement first--buddy buddy when the situation has become under control.

Time is up--end of rant part I.

]]> Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:04:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7333&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7333 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Didn't miss anything, pacman The... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7255&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7255 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 14 2009 at 4:49pm

Didn't miss anything, pacman

The kids that are taught from the beginning(at home) to behave, show respect and be mannerly aren't the kids that are getting in trouble at school. Subsequently they are also not the repeat offenders accounting for the majority of incidents. If students come to school acting properly, the system doesn;t change them.

Kudos to John Sauter.

Maybe it finally paid off to have a board member with a spouse as faculty in the system.

It is past time for someone in position to stand up and buck the system's "business as usual--don't make waves or cause discussion--just move'em through quietly to help out our #s".

I hope this out of the box effort is only the beginning, and instead of allowing his wings to be clipped, Mr.Sauter takes the issue forward. He should defend his position by writing a piece for the MJ and demanding those noe in charge to change direction and eliminate bad behavior.

Price isn't gone for NO reason, and the discipline situation has been a major concern/obstacle for quite a while. Perfect timing to change direction in a big way. We have all summer to establish new guidelines on acceptable behavior and consequences for repeat un-acceptable behavior.

Maybe two new candidates will step forward backing Mr.Sauter and championing his concerns.

]]> Sun, 14 Jun 2009 16:49:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7255&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7255 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Hey Spider I think you missed... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7254&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7254 Author: Pacman
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Posted: Jun 14 2009 at 2:55pm

Hey Spider I think you missed this part from Mr. B's statement, As he is right on with this:

"There is nothing wrong with our kids. Its the way they are allowed to behave at school that corrupts them. We can hold parents accountable for so much. And certainly there are parents that are good and bad at disciplining their children.

School Transforms Behavior
Its ok to act that way in school translates into a new societal norm. By being lax on bad behavior, we are sending the wrong message to our school children and their families. Children must be allowed to learn in an environment that is free from threats and disruptions of the learning process."

Discipline at school is paramount to a safe environment conducive to learning as there are untold peer pressures at school that are not present at home. If you fail to maintain a discipline environment at school you basically end up where Middletown is now. Parents are not operating the Schools.

]]> Sun, 14 Jun 2009 14:55:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7254&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7254 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Correct Mr.B Kids haven't... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7253&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7253 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jun 14 2009 at 1:57pm

Correct Mr.B

Kids haven't changed at all.

PARENTS have changed.

]]> Sun, 14 Jun 2009 13:57:42 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7253&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7253 Sauter's Good Deed goes Punished : Spider Says: "There... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1421&PID=7252&title=sauters-good-deed-goes-punished#7252 Author: John Beagle
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Posted: Jun 14 2009 at 12:27pm

Spider Says:

"There will be no punishment here.

By whom and for what?

Who is seeking anything in that directiomn?

Have there been staff complaints?"

Really only 2 board members are making an issue out of this. Is this an attempt to besmirch Mr. Sauter's good name by others on the board? Well if it is politics as usual, I think it just might be. I could be wrong.

There is nothing to see except a freshman school board member "best intentions" mistake. But within this 'mistake' the truth lies.

The school board has been so distracted by non issues that they overlook the real issues. Issues like behavior on school property.

If we taught our children about morals and personal responsibility, we wouldn't have major discipline problems in our schools. With discipline comes an understanding that the students are there to learn. With discipline comes better academic achievement.

There is nothing wrong with our kids. Its the way they are allowed to behave at school that corrupts them. We can hold parents accountable for so much. And certainly there are parents that are good and bad at disciplining their children.

School Transforms Behavior
Its ok to act that way in school translates into a new societal norm. By being lax on bad behavior, we are sending the wrong message to our school children and their families. Children must be allowed to learn in an environment that is free from threats and disruptions of the learning process.

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