Middletown Forum : SunCoke - EPA Meeting http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Community Events : SunCoke - EPA Meeting Mon, 05 Oct 2026 19:41:53 +0000 Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:21:20 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1449 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ SunCoke - EPA Meeting : lrisner wrote: Mike_Presta... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7740&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7740 Author: Mike_Presta
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Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 9:21pm

Originally posted by lrisner lrisner wrote:

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by Hermes Hermes wrote:

Thanks Mike for that summary. The smell is my biggest concern,but if they have developed ways to eliminate it or even reduce it thats great. I have been in areas where coke plants have been located and the smell is horrific.



 However, few people find these odors objectionable.




LOL....I actually kinda liked the smell of Fresh Coke!
LOL...Actually, most people confuse the smell of the by-products and various volatiles with the smell of the actual coke.  I don't find the actual coke to be very odoriferous at all.]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2009 21:21:20 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7740&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7740 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : I don't think there is much... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7733&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7733 Author: Middletown News
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Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 4:19pm

I don't think there is much interest in attending from the Monroe community according to John Beagle, the city isn't sending a representative, just a letter.
The Voice: SunCoke - EPA Meeting Thursday 6/25]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:19:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7733&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7733 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : Mike_Presta wrote: Hermes... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7700&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7700 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 24 2009 at 8:26am

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by Hermes Hermes wrote:

Thanks Mike for that summary. The smell is my biggest concern,but if they have developed ways to eliminate it or even reduce it thats great. I have been in areas where coke plants have been located and the smell is horrific.



 However, few people find these odors objectionable.




LOL....I actually kinda liked the smell of Fresh Coke!
]]> Wed, 24 Jun 2009 08:26:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7700&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7700 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : Hermes wrote:Thanks Mike for... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7685&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7685 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 10:17pm

Originally posted by Hermes Hermes wrote:

Thanks Mike for that summary. The smell is my biggest concern,but if they have developed ways to eliminate it or even reduce it thats great. I have been in areas where coke plants have been located and the smell is horrific.

Hermes: The great majority of the coke plants in the USA are of the “by-products recovery” type. I would think that is the type you have been near. SunCoke plans to build a “non-recovery” type plant. This is a huge difference.

(If you would tell me where the facilities you were near were located, I can probably tell you which type they were, as I have been to a majority of American coke plants, and a few in foreign countries.)

The coal (the “raw material” used) will still smell like coal, and the coke (the “finished product”) will still smell like coke. However, few people find these odors objectionable. (In the past, these items were used as heating fuels in homes and were stockpiled near home furnaces and fireplaces.)

As long as everything is working properly (and that is the key phrase), I doubt that the odor will be a problem.

]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 22:17:24 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7685&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7685 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : The key Point in this whole... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7657&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7657 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 12:57pm

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The key Point in this whole thing is "EmissionReduction Credits". That really is the bone of contention to myunderstanding. AK Steel permanently shut down it's Middletown WorksSinter Plantin June 2003.  The Sinter Plant was a major source of Pollutionand the root cause of many complaints over the years. AK "collected"Emission Reduction Credits for shutting it down. As a quasi "partner"with AK in the Coke Plant Project the Law supposedly allows thetransfer of these Credits to Sun Coke who want to use them for theCoke Plant. It is my understanding that Sun Coke waited too long tostart construction and the Credits are thus expired (according to ananti-Sun Coke source).

I personally am hesitant to agree totheir use as we really don't know how dirty it will allow the Plantto be. Of course Sun says it will be spotless, but one would have tobe naive to believe what they say in this regard. Remember,the Credits purpose is to allow Sun Coke to operate this Plant lesscleanlythan they could . I found the whole Haverhill trip to be silly as thecredit will allow Sun to have they Middletown Coke much dirtier thanHaverhill.

After 30 years at AK, I know how much spin can beput on an Environmental issue. Support this with caution!

]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 12:57:30 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7657&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7657 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : Thanks Mike for that summary.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7639&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7639 Author: Hermes
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 9:04am

Thanks Mike for that summary. The smell is my biggest concern,but if they have developed ways to eliminate it or even reduce it thats great. I have been in areas where coke plants have been located and the smell is horrific. ]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 09:04:20 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7639&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7639 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : Gary and Hermes: If everything... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7637&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7637 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 8:40am

Gary and Hermes:
 
If everything works properly (and I realize that is a big "IF") it will not have the smell of the Middletown Works coke plant.
 
The vast majority of what you currently smell is volatile gasses from which they try to recover by-products. (I have WAY over-simplified here!)
 
This process will not even attempt any recovery of by-products.  The coal/coke will be heated to a much higher temperature, past that at which all such substances will have been burned up.  This higher heat (sometimes termed "waste heat") is what allows the "co-generation" of electricity by steam generation.
 
Ask Mr. Bob Snook, Lemon Township trustee, in case I am not completely technically correct.  Even though he is against the project, I believe that he is a stand-up guy.  He is certainly more technically savvy about this process than I am (and probably more than nearly any other local resident.)  I know that he will be pleased to correct any errors in my explanation or explain more fully if you desire.
 
 
]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 08:40:16 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7637&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7637 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : ALL OF MIDDLETOWN GO TO THIS http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7632&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7632 Author: Gary Barge
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 23 2009 at 1:05am

Angry ALL OF MIDDLETOWN GO TO THIS]]> Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:05:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7632&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7632 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : And yes I plan to be there. http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7619&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7619 Author: Hermes
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 22 2009 at 6:52pm

And yes I plan to be there.Thumbs%20Up]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:52:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7619&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7619 SunCoke - EPA Meeting : Does anyone know with Sun Cokes&#039;... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7618&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7618 Author: Hermes
Subject: 1449
Posted: Jun 22 2009 at 6:51pm

Does anyone know with Sun Cokes' ERC if the smell will still be present or have they found a way to eliminate the smell ? ]]> Mon, 22 Jun 2009 18:51:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1449&PID=7618&title=suncoke-epa-meeting#7618