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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : Being the impromptu person that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2009 at 10:40am<br /><br />Being the impromptu person that I am I would love to see some people go to prison over all this. If it was one of us putting the screws to council we would pay dearly. And I agree,come November there should not be left standing/sitting one present council member in this town. But,the question always rises as to who do we put in ? ]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : This is exactly why in my Opinion...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2009 at 9:59am<br /><br />This is exactly why in my Opinion Section 8 was grown so fast in Middletown.&nbsp; it wasn't about serving the Residents...hahahaha it was all about the Fees the City could pocket and has made Middletown a laughing stock in SW Ohio.]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : The city only wants to talk about...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=290">Nick_Kidd</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2009 at 9:26am<br /><br />The city only wants to talk about the General Fund, about $29 million. If you add up personnel cost for the police dept., the jail guards, the fire dept. and their vehicles you will notice that they use up nearly the entire general fund. Where does the money come from to pay all the other people in the city building? I believe that it comes from CDBG money that should be helping poor citizen, especially seniors on fixed incomes, keep their property in good condition. I believe the money comes from the auto &amp; gas fund plus the 1 mill property tax earmarked for streets, rather than keep our streets in repair. I believe the money comes from the sewer fund earmarked to separate the sewers downtown. I believe that it comes from the other 55 funds that we never hear about. This misuse of<U><strong> our</strong></U>&nbsp; tax dollars along&nbsp;with other stupid ideas (red light cameras, section 8 housing, excessive red tape to bring in businesses, etc., etc., etc.) coming out of our city building, has landed us as the #1 fastest dying city (with a population under 100,000) in the country. Since our beauracracy is just adding to the former mistakes, they must be trying to make us the <strong>#1 fastest dying city in the world! (#1 fastest dying is a kind way of saying #1 least desirable place to live. Let's give a big "thank you" to our city government for this fine image &amp; reputation&nbsp;)</strong>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 09:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers :  ADMINISTRATIVE EXTRAVAGANCE...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=312">Smokey Burgess</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2009 at 7:07am<br /><br /><FONT size=3><DIV><EM><U><strong><FONT color=#0000ff>ADMINISTRATIVE EXTRAVAGANCE - CITY OF MIDDLETOWN STYLE</FONT></strong></U></EM></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Upon moving here in late 12/2006 to accept the&nbsp;Community Development Administrator position for the City of Middletown, I shortly discovered that <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>50% +/-</strong></FONT> of HUD funds were being spent for program administration <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>(20%)</strong></FONT> as well as what the Feds call "program delivery" <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>(30% +/-)</strong></FONT>.<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV></FONT><FONT size=3>In my 38 years of private and public sector housing, real estate and mortgage finance work experience, <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>NEVER</FONT></strong> have I seen anything approaching the bloated bureaucracy here!&nbsp; <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Just think, 50 cents plus of&nbsp;every HUD dollar received is spent on salaries, fringe benefits and office expenses here!<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" /></FONT></strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=3></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=3><BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb16,16,255 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px">From: Nelsonself@aol.com &lt;Nelsonself@aol.com&gt;<BR>Subject: Re: HUD-Funded Programs and Administrative Costs<BR>To: chrisamburgey@yahoo.com<BR>Cc: dschiavone1@cinci.rr.com, Paul@PaulRenwick.com, amarconi@cinci.rr.com<BR>Date: Sunday, July 27, 2008, 1:34 PM<BR><BR><DIV id=yiv865015855><FONT id=rolx_ color=#000000 size=2 face=Arial><DIV><FONT size=4>This past&nbsp;Thursday we (Administrative Assistant to the Planning Director&nbsp;and me) were directed&nbsp;to meet with the suddenly recently retired Community Revitalization Director,&nbsp;her senior administrative assistant&nbsp;and a representative&nbsp;from the Finance Department&nbsp;on the HUD-funded programs administrative budget.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Both of us&nbsp;explained&nbsp;that we're already&nbsp;spending a dangerously high amount for administrative purposes (50 cents+/- of each HUD dollar)!</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>A senior Finance Department staff member&nbsp;recently told us that they don't&nbsp;know where to find money to fund the Community Revitalization Director's new position.&nbsp; With the salary increase that senior City of Middletown staff&nbsp;is giving her, they need more than&nbsp;$100,000 for salary and fringe benefits.&nbsp; Russ said that Judy plans to use some Transit Authority or Public Works Department funds to pay for this new department head.&nbsp; <FONT color=#ff0000>The rest would presumably come from CDBG and Section 8??</FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>I am treading dangerously thin ice by bringing these matters to your attention, however, I am very concerned by what is going on.&nbsp; Some aspects of this reorganization plan seem very ill-conceived.&nbsp; Others employed by the City feel the same way.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>I believe that HUD will intervene if the above actions are taken.&nbsp; We already need to trim administrative costs.&nbsp; I suggested not filling the vacant Housing Code Specialist position as a means of reducing administrative costs.&nbsp; The new department head&nbsp;told&nbsp;us that Code Enforcement is a very high priority of senior City of Middletown staff&nbsp;and her.&nbsp; They will be interviewing candidates for that position within the next week or two.&nbsp; I was excluded from this process as my roles and responsibilities are being diminished.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>I am told that there exists HUD and General Fund resources to have one clerical and three field inspector positions.&nbsp; Each field inspector would handle both weeds/trash and code enforcement for one-third of the city limits.&nbsp; The clerical person would handle their secretarial/administrative needs.&nbsp; One field inspector from General Fund&nbsp;plus two&nbsp;field inspectors and one staff secretary.</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=4></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4>We must avoid spending so much on administration that there's not too much&nbsp;left to help low- to moderate-income home owners with minor to major housing&nbsp;rehabilitation needs.&nbsp; They've already talked about&nbsp;eliminating the Community Improvement Program that Berachah&nbsp;Baptist Church has successfully participated in&nbsp;to rehab homes, renovate parks, etc.&nbsp; We've provided $50,000 in CDBG funds (materials only) that has leveraged about $75,000 in donated labor from the church members and other volunteers.&nbsp; It would be sad to eliminate that to further expand the payroll.</FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 21 Jun 2009 07:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : Mike I can&amp;#039;t connect to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2009 at 5:46am<br /><br /><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000 size=3>Mike<DIV>I can't connect to the Middletown Journal Message Board..<DIV></DIV>You are correct, the City has been playing the 'shell game" with this storm water &amp; sewer money for a very long time.&nbsp;They have also merged accounts under different account names. This problem should have been solved years ago.</DIV><DIV>"General Funds" is the buzz word for the City...this is the ONLY account they want to talk about.&nbsp;The only way that they can support the current load of employees is by paying them from these OTHER funds. I second the call from Mike....<FONT color=#0000ff>PLEASE DO NOT BE FOOLED AGAIN THIS NOVEMBER</FONT></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers :  Folks, several of us tried to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;20&nbsp;2009 at 9:12pm<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P>Folks, several of us tried to get these very financial issues out into the open during the campaign before the November, 2007 elections as well as before other elections when tax increases were on the ballots.</P><P>It was difficult for several reasons, not the least of which being that the “in crowd” was given virtually unlimited time during council meetings and on TVMiddletown while opposing voices were given none.</P><P>Also, Middletown’s overly complicated Chart of Accounts lends itself to confusion and manipulation. (Go to <I>The Middletown Journal </I>“City Council Message Board”, page 57, and read my post with the subject: “The ‘OTHER’ accounts”, posted 11/20/2007 07:51AM ). Remember that the City of Middletown’s TOTAL budget is <FONT color=#cc6600>over $85 million</FONT>, or <FONT color=#cc0000>over $115 Million</FONT>, or <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>over $130 million</strong></FONT>-all depending upon which figures you consider-and <strong>NOT just the $29 million or so General Fund that Council and Manager like to talk about</strong>. Yes, much of the other money IS restricted by law--but NOT ALL, and far from it!!! And much of it is even used to pay salaries that City Hall likes to make us <B><I>THINK</B></I> comes out of the General Fund!!!</P><P>They can show figures to “prove” ANYTHING, but those figures do NOT tell the complete story, and you cannot follow all of the “transfers in” and “transfers out”!!!</P><P>Unfortunately, the voters did not heed the voices of truth in November of 2007, and now we hear calls of “show us the money!”. I have no doubt, that you WILL be shown some slick charts and presentations that will “prove” everything that you want to see. What you will not see, and what they dare not show you is everything at once!! They MUST make it so confusing that you can NOT follow the bouncing balls quickly enough to stay on track. There are questions that have NEVER been answered because they can NOT be answered. If those questions are asked again, they will be side-stepped again, and then it will be “time to move on” to the next subject.</P><P><strong><EM><FONT color=#0000ff>PLEASE do NOT be fooled again this November!!!</FONT></EM></strong></P><P>We have shown you the “Moving Middletown Forward” agenda. You can see some of it in the proposed amendments to the City Charter. You will recognize more of it in the months to come, if only you actually try to understand what you see and hear!!!</P></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : The question that pops into my...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;20&nbsp;2009 at 2:23pm<br /><br />The question that pops into my mind when it comes to these dollars is.....if it wasn't spent on it's intended target and there is nothing in town to show for millions of dollars being spent,then who pocketed all that money ? I've been called ignorant by some for saying that one or more people in this town have embezzled millions of city dollars,but if there is nothing to show for the money then that has to be the answer.]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : Actually, the meeting that I mentioned...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;20&nbsp;2009 at 1:30pm<br /><br />Actually, the meeting that I mentioned in my post on this thread occurred back when Mr.Becker was the city manager and was out selling his proposed .75% income tax increase. I believe the monthly storm sewer(whatever) charge is a klittle over $3 per month for residences, and significantly higher for businesses. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yes--everyone here is right on the money about tracking just where these funds have acrrued, the balance, and what projects they have funded. Next Council meeting is in three weeks, plus Ms;Ford and Mr.Armbruster are hosting a citizen forum on the 30th.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If we present specific ?s about these funds, amount accrued, balance and usage, they SHOULD be able to address these issues at the next Council meeting. Actually, if they read these posts or are made aware of the upcoming ?s, they could have ample time to prepare an answer at their forum.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : These are the items that really...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;20&nbsp;2009 at 1:22pm<br /><br /><P><SPAN style="COLOR: red; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT color=#000000 size=3>These are the items that really put us on the Forbes List and you can't paint, or polish them to make them dissappear. You can smell this problem all summer long.<DIV></DIV><DIV>SHOW US THE MONEY!</DIV></P></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:22:59 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Storm Water &amp; Sewers : PS&amp;gt; I forgot to tell you about...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=214">Impala SS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1457<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;20&nbsp;2009 at 12:34pm<br /><br />PS&gt; I forgot to tell you about the rats as big as cats living in our sewer.]]>
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