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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : What fuzzy math I estimated in...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;27&nbsp;2009 at 10:54am<br /><br />What fuzzy math I estimated in my post above&nbsp;about&nbsp;$50-60k&nbsp;you say about $60K sounds&nbsp;like we are pretty much on the same page with that figure. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Any funds from the operation of the Pool, admission fees etc. where do those funds go and roughly how much&nbsp;is collected each year, just roughly?</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : Pretty much the same as this year......</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=288">MerrellWood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;27&nbsp;2009 at 10:42am<br /><br />Pretty much the same as this year... $50.000 private sector funding for&nbsp;approx. 9 weeks....<DIV>$10.000 annual city subsidy. 63 day season... approx. $160.00 per day public funds. I know it's fuzzy math but please don't pick it to death. I'm sure yours will be more percise. </DIV>]]>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : Merrell how much money will have...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;27&nbsp;2009 at 7:25am<br /><br />Merrell how much money will have to be raised next year considering the AK money is gone after this year? ]]>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : Pacman,   As I said to Vietvet......</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=288">MerrellWood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 10:01pm<br /><br />Pacman, <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As I said to Vietvet... let's agree to disagree.&nbsp;&nbsp; There are many wonderful assets in Middletown and I feel strongly&nbsp;a pool should continue to be one of them.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Concerning &nbsp;the splash pads,&nbsp;I don't expect any drop in pool attendence. &nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The are used by very young childern who mostly don't swim yet.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Best regards......</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 22:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : I have to agree with Vet and Mike...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 7:52pm<br /><br />I have to agree with Vet and Mike on this one.&nbsp; I have never heard of a Pool that can be used only&nbsp;two months of the Year being a Quality of Life issue that would prevent someone from buying a house in Middletown.&nbsp;&nbsp;Lots of other issues&nbsp;might but not having a pool is not one of them. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><DIV>I have lived from Maine to Florida to California and Europe and I have never bought a house where&nbsp;a Public&nbsp;Pool was a top 10 factor or even a factor I considered.&nbsp; I don't know&nbsp;maybe there is something in the Ohio water, that makes a pool a must have.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I am sure there are some real estate agents on here do people really ask for a Public Pool and is that a major consideration in their choice of a home?</DIV></DIV><DIV>When I moved here it was of&nbsp;no interest to me whether there was a pool much less where it was.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If the City was doing fine financially then having and maintaining a pool is a great bonus for the residents.&nbsp; But when&nbsp;the City is in the Financial mess that it is and we can't even maintain the roadways we have to prioritize what is important, having a pool at this time is a low priority for many citizens I would suggest.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>When I moved here my son could not swim he learned&nbsp;when he&nbsp;joined the Cub Scouts/Boy Scouts and learned at the Downtown Y for about $7.00.&nbsp; Learning to swim is really a&nbsp;minor issue if you want your child to swim you will find a way to do it.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If the Ak money is gone after this year how much money&nbsp;will have to be raised for next year? $50-60K.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I also have to agree with&nbsp;the fact that over a 60+/- day period only 7-8,000 residents using it is a small percentage of the citizens&nbsp;and yet much time and effort has been spent&nbsp;on the Pool issue for the 5-6 years I have been here.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>On another note West Chester has no Public Pool and yet they seem to be a booming community that doesn't miss this quality of life issue&nbsp;that we seem to&nbsp;constantly year after year spend a tremendous amount of resources on.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If money was plentiful then have a pool otherwise the effort put into just a 2 month recreational activity is to much.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Having a Golf Course is also a nice amenity but it should be&nbsp;sold it can't pay its way&nbsp;or use the land for a more productive use.&nbsp; We are&nbsp; talking $250-300K a year for these two amenities alone.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Merrel is it predicted that the Splash pads will cause a decline in Pool use this year?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:52:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : In my view, this all just goes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 3:58pm<br /><br />In my view, this all just goes to show the poor performance of prioritizing dollars by City Hall!&nbsp; Which is more important:&nbsp; A few hundred thousand for a bike path or, say, $15K for a pool?&nbsp; Where does a couple hundred grand for golf per year fit in?&nbsp; Are ANY of these items more important than infrastructure or public safety? <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We must NOT look at these items individually!!&nbsp; If we do, they are all basically "good" things so how can we say "NO!"?&nbsp; Yet, if we look at the grand scheme of things and consider them as "either /&nbsp;or" choices" versus, say, fire protection or police protection or similar items, how can we say "yes"?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>These are difficult choices, but they must be made, and they must be made RESPONSIBLY, even if the "correct" choices are unpopular choices.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If one would ask one's children whether the family should go to Disney world next month, or pay the mortgage, I think that we all know what the most popular chice would be.&nbsp; Which would be the RESPONSIBLE choice?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In my view, providing a place to swim for those children who cannot afford the existing local choices is the purview of charitable organizations or service groups.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This is a sad case, and I wish that it were not so, but it is what it is, and it is time to face it.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Of course NONE of the above is as important as holding a SECOND "ribbon-cutting ceremony" for those politicians that may have missed the first one.&nbsp; <img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Disapprove" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting :  Vietvet,  Let&amp;#039;s agree...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=288">MerrellWood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 3:22pm<br /><br /><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Vietvet, </DIV><DIV>Let's agree to disagree. Hope you can use some of the&nbsp;info&nbsp;to get a better handle on&nbsp;the particulars behind&nbsp;a few of our&nbsp;recreational facilities. Park board will review the numbers at the end of season and make a recommendation to council&nbsp;about Sunset's future. I'm sure we both can agree that we should support and promote the many assets our city enjoys while at the same time work to create new ones that will serve <strong>all </strong>of&nbsp;the citizens of our community. Best regards...</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : considering the 1/2 mill proposed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 3:13pm<br /><br />considering the 1/2 mill proposed for the disfunctional bike path, the large sum for the "Welcome to Middletown" entrances and the hundred million blown destroying the area formerly known as downtown, the amnnual cost of keeping Sunset Pool going is a mere pittance and somewhat of a necessity.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>jmo</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:13:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : Thank you for the information...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 1:57pm<br /><br />Thank you for the information Merrell. I mentioned the repeat customers because it does make a difference on how one looks at the pool usage. If there are 8000 individual people interested in using the pool, the citizen interest/ percentage looks a little different than if you tell me that 8000 people used the pool but 3000 were repeat visitors. The latter tells me that there is a lesser interest in the number of individuals. The numbers are skewed when comparing the two scenarios. The same goes for Weatherwax. If you tell me that 9000 golfers used the course over the summer, I may be impressed and say it is worthwhile to operate. But if you tell me that out of that 9000, 4000 were repeat visitors, that shows that there is more interest from fewer people using the facility. May not impress me enough to vote to keep it open. Learning to swim is a good thing to accomplish. No argument here. But we're talking about the cost from a poor city, to maintain a pool to teach a few kids to swim. It becomes an economic budgetary numbers game rather than a quality of life thing as you suggest. Even with the presence of cops/ pool personel, it still doesn't look good when trying to impress a person to take their family there. A precedent has been set, unfortunately. Why go through all the hassle when a person can take the family over to a friend's house with a pool and relax instead of preventing the kids from being bothered by "undesirables". No relaxation there for the parents. Disagree with the statement " not all recreational destinations should be or can be a direct profit center for the city" and " when the cost is kept low"- in a normal city, I would probably agree with you on this, but the people running this city have it so financially screwed up ( and in other ways too) that the pool MUST make money to justify it's existence. This city can't afford any luxuries and must be managed as if the leaders were "unemployed", monitoring every last dime. (They don't but they should be) Right now, we need "depression era" people running the city. They know how to pinch pennies having lived through that travesty. Moving to town comment- I've heard realtors say that attractions, when buying in a town, include shopping, commuter time to the job, good schools, location, tax rates, housing stock choices, closeness to more choices in bigger cities, etc, but rarely have I heard a realtor include a public pool as a big buying point for purchasing property in a certain location. Guess we can agree to disagree as the saying goes.---- but- that's ok too!&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley1.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> I vote we close Sunset and Weatherwax because they benefit but a small percentage of Middletown's population and start redirecting the money to the basics rather than the luxuries. JMO]]>
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   <title>Douglass Park Ribbon Cutting : I&amp;#039;m back .... About Sunset....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=288">MerrellWood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1478<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;26&nbsp;2009 at 11:38am<br /><br />I'm back ....&nbsp; About Sunset. We've already been through where the water comes from, however I further confermed with the city that our water comes directly from our own aquifer. One of the few found within a city's limit. Most have to buy theirs from another source. As to the number of patron's who are repeat customers. I made a point in a recent MJ column&nbsp;that I can't imagine the golfers at&nbsp;Weatherwax play just one round a year...and the city subsidises it operational cost for more than $200.000 + annually. Weatherwax is a regional golf course five miles out of town that serves middle to upper income adults and Sunset is a community pool in town that serves middle to lower income childern. As to the of repeat number of visiters per season, I can't imagine that anyone who uses either facility<DIV>just one time a year. I'd be curious to know the number of folks who visit Smith Park every year and what number are repeat visiters. The cost to the city is pretty much the same regardless of how many citizen visit more than once a year. I don't recall hearing&nbsp; that rational being used to justify it's expense.&nbsp;As to the drive to Sunset, it's pretty much located right in the middle of the city and a lot of kids arrive by bus. I don't see backyard pools much of a factor because among other reasons, I don't remember wanting to just swim with my sister when all my friend were at the pool. Your right about the issue of&nbsp;behavior problems during the first season.&nbsp;It was addressed by both the guards who became more agressive inside the fence while the police&nbsp;did the same outside. Also there was a crusing issue but is now closely watched by the police as part of their patrol.&nbsp;Anyone identified as a trouble maker is ejected&nbsp; and the more bothersome can be excluded for a&nbsp;longer period of time.... possibly for the season. Many of the guards are local kids.&nbsp;Adults have exclusive use of the pool for one hour before opening and swimming lessions are offered.&nbsp;Many feel it's much more important for a kid to know how to swim than to swing a nine iron. Again.... the city's actual cost for such a summer destination is extremly low and in my opinion is an important&nbsp;&nbsp;part of the quality of life in our city. It certainly beats sitting home and playing video games. If I were moving to town with kids I would certainly count it as a plus for a reactional destination. The&nbsp;pool does need an overhaul but there's no reason the city shouldn't endorse a private sector effort to do so. The huge number of "baby boomer" are gone and to compare that era and those numbers to today simply does not reflect&nbsp;it's true value&nbsp;and&nbsp;importance to the community.&nbsp;Not every recreational destination should be or can be a direct profit center for the city and when the cost to provide such a facility is kept low, it may be one of the best example of getting the most "bang for the buck" we have. Best to all....<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" /></DIV>]]>
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