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Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 06 2009 at 11:13pm

You are "RIGHT ON" with your observation.

Just look who really showed up in the July 4th parade and look who did not. There is an example of commitment. Now, you may ask, where were the ones that did not ???

I know the one was mingling with the crowd near the starting point to secure her votes in the next election. Again, it the personal agenda that just destroys any creditability. Now we will hear all the excuses and that we are picking on her again, and, we will listen to her internalize her actions at the next meeting.

]]> Mon, 06 Jul 2009 23:13:13 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8190&title=conversations-with-council#8190 Conversations With Council : I have lived in this city all... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8095&title=conversations-with-council#8095 Author: Crankyswife1
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 7:31pm

I have lived in this city all my life, my parents and their parents. I am now 52 and must admit I firmly believe these members are not in this position for your interest or for the city. Look at the members, they all have at some point in time personally benefited by the position. There is usually a hidden agenda and there is in-fighting. The exception to my statements is the Mayor and City Commissioner. These two are really trying to serve the city, unfortunately, the membership on the council does not provide the needed skills or competency to deliver this city from the current situation.

It is hopeless unless we have council members that are willing to network with other successful communities, organizations that are outside Middletown. They cannot be so proud (or know-it-all) that they don't seek out for help. We need a 1-3-5 year strategy of substance. Our members do spend time in the city, but the same of the same will not solve the problem. There is a saying: The definition of insanity is performing the same activity over & over and expecting a different outcome.

I don't mean replicating the same plan as in place today. Extreme situations require a radical approach. We must view this as a crisis and take decisive action. The members have not fully demonstrated this attribute. They continue looking for free money and governmental packages. That will never be a long term solution, it is very shortsighted.

Since ASJ is quick to challenge others to research, when is the last time she connected to the internet to search opportunities herself. What are other councils doing, who are the ones with great success. When is the last time we invited and consulted with these individuals. Show me a committee that was in the same situation that we are facing (and I don’t mean Las Vegas, or the like) and successfully changed the outcome. Are we talking to West Chester, Centerville, Springboro, even Franklin’s performance is better than ours. This is very basic, yet, why do we hesitate to seek knowledge. I am not trying to put down our council members, we need help and our council needs help. They must 1^st recognize this themselves. It’s like we need to introduce them to “AA”.

I don't mean to focus on ASJ, but her demeanor is fostering a repeat of 3 yrs ago. Not just ASJ, but all council members should step back and change behavior. Pursuing HUD funding is more of the same. We need to look far beyond this approach.

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:31:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8095&title=conversations-with-council#8095 Conversations With Council : VietVet wrote:OK Marianne-... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8093&title=conversations-with-council#8093 Author: MadisonMom
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 6:51pm

VietVet wrote:

OK Marianne- I'll answer your questions as you have requested. Why the personal attacks? Because these people running the city have helped destroy what was once a very nice town. "HARMLESS comparisons often give me a chuckle .... it seems immature to me"- So all critics who use levity are immature to you? Who are you to judge the maturity level of the posters on this site? Do you think that you are operating on a higher level than us mere mortals? Do you consider yourself an elitist, because you demonstrate all the symptoms. Making these comments to the people in person? You bet I would. I would go out of my way to insult them in a more radical way than using this method. Hell, it might create SOME response from them other than sheer silence as seen at Council meetings and this fiasco called "Conversation with Council". I've been down the road at 60 and have been in a war. Do you honestly think that I am intimidated or care what these "ruiners of a town" think of me. They have no credibility to begin with so I am dealing with people who beg to be verbally assaulted. If these people would behave correctly and perform better , perhaps we wouldn't be using anger in dealing with the travesty they are creating or to alleviate frustration, levity, in attacking them. Bottom line, Marianne. People who deserve no respect, get no respect. Too harsh for you? Sometimes it's needed.

THAT'S THE VIET VET I KNOW!!!!

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:51:00 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8093&title=conversations-with-council#8093 Conversations With Council : Impala SS wrote:Irisner >... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8091&title=conversations-with-council#8091 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 6:46pm

Impala SS wrote:

Irisner > I am sorry I got so upset, but Iam very ill and i hate the way they are tearing this city apart. We need people to stand together and say we have had enough of there wrong doing before it is to late.

Here, Here! Best of Luck!
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Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 6:05pm

Irisner > I am sorry I got so upset, but Iam very ill and i hate the way they are tearing this city apart. We need people to stand together and say we have had enough of there wrong doing before it is to late.]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 18:05:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8090&title=conversations-with-council#8090 Conversations With Council : Pacman - As you requested,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8088&title=conversations-with-council#8088 Author: Smokey Burgess
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 5:24pm

Pacman -

As you requested, I went to the City of Middletown's website in order to view their proposed HUD Neighborhood Stabilization Progra (NSP) grant application. Like two other active participants in MiddletownUSS, I also was unable to open the PDF file.

I did discover that the amount of the grant application that will be presented this coming Tuesday night will be in excess of $26 million.

If anyone can open the above-captioned NSP grant application file please send me a private message. I would dearly love to see where the next batch of HUD "funny money" is going.

Nelson Self

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 17:24:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8088&title=conversations-with-council#8088 Conversations With Council : Marianne - When I moved here... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8075&title=conversations-with-council#8075 Author: Smokey Burgess
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 11:16am

Marianne -

When I moved here from Hot Springs, Arkansas in late 2006 to begin work as Community Development Administrator for the City of Middletown, I had no idea about the massive waste of HUD funds and mismanagement that took place before me.

I worked tirelessly to promote "true citizen participation" as evidenced by the significant involvement of real estate professionals, mortgage bankers and brokers, plus target area neighborhood residents.

Together, we took some bold steps to correct past abuses and to set in place reforms so that the City of Middletown would be a responsible steward of the taxpayers funds.

All of this came to a grinding halt about one year ago as certain senior City staff felt that it was not necessary for true citizen oversight and for government to be open and accountable.

So many things have been swept "under the rug" by these in charge. Also, three members of the City Council are very well aware of these problems and remain silent. This is also true of our local print media.

The past year has been a very difficult time for me professionally and financially. However, I feel compelled to bring problems and issues to the light of day as best as I am able.

In reading this, I do hope that you will understand my frustration and disgust with our current system of governance. There's much that the public needs to know and, those who failed to perform in their jobs need to be held accountable.

Nelson Self

P.S. I now understand that an effort is underway for those "on the hot seat" to discredit me. I am willing to face whatever trash that they may throw my way.

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 11:16:06 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8075&title=conversations-with-council#8075 Conversations With Council : spiderjohn wrote:Dr.C--I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8072&title=conversations-with-council#8072 Author: Marianne
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 10:27am

spiderjohn wrote:

Dr.C--I must disagree with you for singling me out on the topic of name-calling etc.

I don't believe that I have name-called any public officials by negative characterizations, and would appreciate you posting examples of me doing so.

Steve, not sure what you're referring to here. I was commenting on this earlier post by you :

"Considering the public shots taken towards the message boardparticipants publicly at Council sessions and in print by exactly thesame mentioned culprits, turnabout is fair play.

no harm--no foul".

I mentioned you and a few others by name, because you had responded to my post. If that's "singling you out for name-calling," well, I must have missed that.

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 10:27:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8072&title=conversations-with-council#8072 Conversations With Council : Dr.C--I must disagree with you... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8071&title=conversations-with-council#8071 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 9:44am

Dr.C--I must disagree with you for singling me out on the topic of name-calling etc.

I don't believe that I have name-called any public officials by negative characterizations, and would appreciate you posting examples of me doing so.

Usually I get blasted for "flip-flopping and waffling" whenever I defend these officials as simply being human and not the villians as portrayed by many. I somewhat know these people(as well as most posting here), and realize their difficult position. They are part-time players trying to accomplish a more than full-time slate of issues. And the arrangemnent simply isn't working.

I personally deal with them in a positive tone, and realize that the only way to really move forward is by tearing down the self-imposed wall of separation. We must become more civil in our tone, comments and ?ing. "They" must become more open and available to promptly and honestly address citizens' valid concerns.

Otherwise, we NICELY but FIRMLY AND DECISIVELY remove them from their positions. I am not excited about the new slate of candidates , however I will vote and support the newcomers in order to change the face/attitude of our elected officials until we get more suitable representation.

I have become way too obsessed with this site, and need to walk away for a while.

Self-importance is addicting and contagious.

I have said enough about many things and about nothing.

In finality--any opinions or thoughts on the broadcast of the "Coversation" from Tuesday evening?

]]> Fri, 03 Jul 2009 09:44:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8071&title=conversations-with-council#8071 Conversations With Council : Impala SS wrote:Irisner>... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1494&PID=8069&title=conversations-with-council#8069 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1494
Posted: Jul 03 2009 at 9:01am

Impala SS wrote:

Irisner> Waite just a minute, who are you calling incompetent? The people who blog on here are only telling the truth. I have no problem telling any one of them what i have to say. In fact I have been told I talk to harsh to them, I just tell them in a way that will get there att. I believe in calling a spade a spade, if they cant take the heat get the HELL out of the kitchen. They knew what they were getting into when they ran for office. And also when they were sworn in they said they would work for the better of the city NOT destroy it. So could it be you are incompetent your self. And if you want my name just ask for it.

Calm down friend. I obviously did not state the point clearly.

I am/was trying to say that the incompetence of City Management and the damage they did, going back many years, did not excuse the current City Government from blame if they followed the same path of demise that has slowly destroyed this fine old City.
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