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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! :   Pacman wrote:At Least one city...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2009 at 3:01pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Pacman" alt="Originally posted by Pacman" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Pacman wrote:</strong><br /><br />At Least one city official got it right: <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>"What we are hoping to do with the train is to attract people out of Cleveland," said Bob Murray, economic development director for Riverside, the home of the Air Force museum. "I can't see why anyone would leave Cleveland to travel to Dayton, West Carrollton or Miamisburg. I don't see the attraction." </DIV><DIV><P>Murray said that to lure passengers, the train needs to stop in cities with major attractions." </P></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>Well that is what Middeltown wants to do is attract,attract more section 8. With the new rail people can leave other cities and come here to apply for section 8 and the money will float like mana from heaven down upon our blessed council and those who benefit.]]>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : Dig deep into your pockets Middletonians...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2009 at 2:58pm<br /><br />Dig deep into your pockets Middletonians !! The taxes cometh ! Bow your heads and pray therefore to the mighty RAIL which thou hast brought upon thy land. Sacrifice thy first born unto thy great and mighty RAIL so as much will be given and blessed art thou who rideth thy RAIL. Amen]]>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : Passenger Rail ServiceWe had...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2009 at 10:28am<br /><br /><font size="2" color="black" face="arial"><span style="font-weight: bold;">Passenger Rail Service</span><br><br>Wehad a good meeting in Columbus with the Ohio Rail Commission.&nbsp; Thisproject needs to jump through several more hoops before the funding isdetermined.&nbsp; Passenger Rail Service would be a great benefit to ourcity and conversely, we have a lot to offer as a stop.&nbsp; Proponents ofthe project seem to fall under the category of “why take from ourlimited funds for state highways and give to the railroad project?”Good points, all the way around.&nbsp; We will keep fighting for the railservice in Middletown. <br><br>Taken From The <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/view_news.asp?a=4487" target="_blank">Middletown's City Managers Report </a>View It Here<br></font>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : At Least one city official got...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2009 at 10:19am<br /><br />At Least one city official got it right:<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>"What we are hoping to do with the train is to attract people out of Cleveland," said Bob Murray, economic development director for Riverside, the home of the Air Force museum. "I can't see why anyone would leave Cleveland to travel to Dayton, West Carrollton or Miamisburg. I don't see the attraction." </DIV><DIV><P>Murray said that to lure passengers, the train needs to stop in cities with major attractions." </P></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 10:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! :  	Middletown City Manager Judy...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=39">Bwood</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;13&nbsp;2009 at 9:42am<br /><br /><p>	Middletown City Manager Judy Gilleland said her community is perfect for a train station.  </p><p> "We are centrally located in the middle of Dayton and Cincinnati,"she said. She added that a station would attract business and pleasuretravelers and Miami University students. The city has a bus system anda regional airport and is close to Interstate 75, she said. </p><p>	"It's not about what the rail system can do for the community but the community for the rail -- it's a win-win," she said. <br></p><p><a href="http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/07/ohio_communities_lobby_for_pas.html" target="_blank"><br></a></p><p><a href="http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/07/ohio_communities_lobby_for_pas.html" target="_blank">http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2009/07/ohio_communities_lobby_for_pas.html</a><br></p>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 09:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : Thank you Smokey!  But that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 7:19am<br /><br />Thank you Smokey!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>But that alone would not qualify me to speak on the subject.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>However, I DID serve as a Resident Enginer for PBDC (Parsons Brinckerhoff, Delew Cather) on the DART (Dallas Area Rapid Transit) project in the mid 1980s, and as Construction Engineer For Raymond Kaiser Engineers on The People Mover at O'Hare.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I also supervised the trackwork installation contracts for a large steel mill modification project in California and a cement plant expansion project in Oklahoma.&nbsp; (Of course, the trackwork on&nbsp;these two projects were relatively small parts (just a few million $$) of those&nbsp;projects, and I just sort of handled them in my spare time.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : Mike -  As a lifelong rail afficionado...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=312">Smokey Burgess</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 3:38am<br /><br />Mike -<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As a lifelong rail afficionado and a infrequent user of high speed rail service along the Northeast Corridor in the New England states, let me commend you for your analysis of Middletown and the so-called 3-C Corridor Rail Project.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>All that you said from a technical and practical standpoint is "right on the button."&nbsp; Your assessment of the situation is timely and pertinent!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Nelson Self</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! :  You are correct, in a way. There...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;10&nbsp;2009 at 3:27am<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P>You are correct, in a way.</P><P>There is a federal agency (imagine that) that grades railroad facilities as to maximum allowable speeds allowable on any given section of track. Among the things that they consider are the age and condition of the track work itself; the “degree” of the curves and how they are banked; the number and types of crossings and how they are “guarded”; up-grades and down-grades; the surroundings (urban, suburban, rural); amount of rail traffic; and a slew of other items. I won’t strain my brain trying to list them all, because I think of the readers here (being among the brightest around) already get the idea. To restore, realign, or upgrade the actual rails, ties, tie plates, fish bars, ballast, etc., and to raise and tamp the track to bring it up to snuff is actually the easiest and cheapest part of preparing for a higher speed rating than most of the other items, assuming that the “line” and “grade” of the track and the “crossings” are all within acceptable limits of the new rating. (That is, the curves have a large enough radii and the slopes are not severe, and the lines-of-sight and signaling are adequate.)</P><P>But there is another reason why I say that someone who is actually familiar with these sorts of projects should be included by the city, instead of just the usual bunch of politicians, headline-grabbers, and know-it-alls. </P><P>Whoever said that we will be forced to build a new station is correct!!!</P><P>The mayor, and all of his minions may <I><strong>THINK</strong></I> that our <I><strong>historic</strong></I> Middletown train station is just perfect for the purpose, and that its existence is an asset and a strong point in our favor, but as a matter of fact, it simply is <strong><EM>NOT,</EM></strong> and<strong><EM> wishing</EM></strong> will <strong><EM>not</EM></strong> make it so!!!</P><P>I will state quite confidently right now that, except possibly for an infrequent special occasion, the existing Middletown train station (the one between Central and Manchester, and between University and Charles) will <strong><EM>NEVER</EM></strong> be used, in its present form as a regular stop for passenger rail service. I hedge this statement <strong><EM>ONLY</EM></strong> by adding that IF the modifications REQUIRED for it to be used as such are allowed by the Grand Pooh-Bah of the Commission on Landmarks and Historic Structures allows it, he will be forever exposed as a phony, and both his position and the entire commission must be forever banished from our fair city!!! The ONLY way it could happen is to MOVE the entire structure (either as a whole, or brick by brick) and move it nearly a mile, or more up line or down line from its present location. This would remove it COMPLETELY from our idyllic former downtown&nbsp;with all of the restaurants, shopping and hotels that our mayor so lovingly extolled. </P><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>No, my friends, while I am all for bringing this line through Middletown, I am only in favor IF the thought and the EXPENSE of trying to use the existing, old, outdated train depot, as will be dictated by the dinosaurs that want to keep our fair city in the dark ages, is abandoned!!!<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>We MUST begin to move FORWARD, not backward, if we want our city to survive.&nbsp; Spending an ungodly sum of OUR grandchildren's money to play "Olde Tyme Train Stoppe" for our wannabee socialites cannot be tolerated.</SPAN>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 03:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! : Someone brought it to my attention...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;09&nbsp;2009 at 4:10pm<br /><br />Someone brought it to my attention this morning concerning the new train. New tracks will be laid for this passenger train and new depots will have to be built. The existing tracks I was told can not support a high speed train due to age. So any town/city along the route that wants the train to stop will have to build a new modern depot. The question unanswered is who will pay for the new depots ? Will this money be part of the stimulus or will local tax payers have to foot the bill ?]]>
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   <title>Mulligan to Columbus!!!! :   John Beagle wrote:&amp;#034;We...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1528<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jul&nbsp;08&nbsp;2009 at 7:22pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by John Beagle" alt="Originally posted by John Beagle" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>John Beagle wrote:</strong><br /><br />"We are right along the I-75 corridor.&nbsp;I travel that everyday and we are seeing more and more congestion," said Middletown Mayor Larry Mulligan.<BR></td></tr></table> Gee, Mayor Lawrence P. Mulligan, Jr., while you are travelling along the I-75 corridor everyday, please notice that the <strong><EM>FORMER downtown</EM></strong> is nowhere near the Middletown exit.<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Then, for goodness sakes, <strong><EM>THINK!!!</EM></strong>&nbsp; Think about all of the "downtowns" that you talk about that have been "revitalized".&nbsp; Did you ever notice that they are right on an interstate exit???&nbsp;<strong><EM><FONT color=#ff0000> Did you notice that???</FONT></EM></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><EM><FONT color=#ff0000></FONT></EM></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><EM>Please</EM></strong> start using your head for something besides a hat rack!!!</DIV>]]>
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