Middletown Forum : Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : News, Info and Happenings outside Middletown : Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van Tue, 06 Oct 2026 19:35:14 +0000 Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:48:03 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1545 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Lebanonian wrote: Revenue... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8540&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8540 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 14 2009 at 7:48pm

Originally posted by Lebanonian Lebanonian wrote:

Revenue collection in the guise of "police" work is freaking evil. It's crying out for mass civil disobedience. The cops are shaking down nominally law abiding citizens with automated equipment.

My brother told me this story: The city of Heath (near Newark, in Eastern OH) has installed red light cameras at major intersections. It is a BIG story there and citizens are outraged.

Why: the particular issue that many have with it is when you are stuck in the middle of the intersection while turning left against traffic that is not controlled. The light turns yellow, and then red, THEN the traffic stops, and FINALLY you can proceed and clear the intersection. In this instance the red light camera has recorded your vehicle because you were in the middle of the intersection at the instant the light turned red.  It's entirely a black/white, there-is-no-possible-extenuating-circumstances situation.

And those tickets stick, because there is no possible "interpretation". So you can't legally make a safe left turn when traffic is very heavy.

Re:  >> John if you speed or run red lights you are of the criminal element and YOU must be brought to justice !!

What an anal retentive weenie opinion. I despise careless drivers and yet I think this opinion is just totally and absolutely stupid. The law has the concept of "tolerance". When a human is administering the law, that is.

FWIW, speeding tickets are a revenue shakedown because it is much more clear cut to prosecute for speed than for other (much more dangerous) types of careless driving.

The a-hole who blocks traffic in an intersection through an entire traffic light cycle by creeping 12 feet past the stop line in the left lane doesn't get prosecuted but the poor schlub who was recorded transiently doing a few miles over the speed on a downhill does.

I think some laws are oppressive because common citizens are too stupid to demand reasonable enforcement standards.



This illustrates why I am opposed in Principal! If the Red Light programing was liberal enough in favor of the Motorist so than only blatant offenders are ticketed, then I would have no problem.


]]> Tue, 14 Jul 2009 19:48:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8540&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8540 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Revenue collection in the guise... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8537&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8537 Author: Lebanonian
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 14 2009 at 6:30pm

Revenue collection in the guise of "police" work is freaking evil. It's crying out for mass civil disobedience. The cops are shaking down nominally law abiding citizens with automated equipment.

My brother told me this story: The city of Heath (near Newark, in Eastern OH) has installed red light cameras at major intersections. It is a BIG story there and citizens are outraged.

Why: the particular issue that many have with it is when you are stuck in the middle of the intersection while turning left against traffic that is not controlled. The light turns yellow, and then red, THEN the traffic stops, and FINALLY you can proceed and clear the intersection. In this instance the red light camera has recorded your vehicle because you were in the middle of the intersection at the instant the light turned red.  It's entirely a black/white, there-is-no-possible-extenuating-circumstances situation.

And those tickets stick, because there is no possible "interpretation". So you can't legally make a safe left turn when traffic is very heavy.

Re:  >> John if you speed or run red lights you are of the criminal element and YOU must be brought to justice !!

What an anal retentive weenie opinion. I despise careless drivers and yet I think this opinion is just totally and absolutely stupid. The law has the concept of "tolerance". When a human is administering the law, that is.

FWIW, speeding tickets are a revenue shakedown because it is much more clear cut to prosecute for speed than for other (much more dangerous) types of careless driving.

The a-hole who blocks traffic in an intersection through an entire traffic light cycle by creeping 12 feet past the stop line in the left lane doesn't get prosecuted but the poor schlub who was recorded transiently doing a few miles over the speed on a downhill does.

I think some laws are oppressive because common citizens are too stupid to demand reasonable enforcement standards.
]]> Tue, 14 Jul 2009 18:30:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8537&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8537 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : What are talking about Spider.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8423&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8423 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 11 2009 at 9:41am

What are talking about Spider.  Until this year they had walled off the western end of the city from the East with cameras.
 
Breiel and Manchester
Breiel and Central
Breiel and Roosevelt
Roosevelt and Elliott
 
About time they gave us a break on this end of town, I was tired of finding alternate routes just so I could run those red lights.  Actually people got used to them and they were not generating enough revenue so they had to move them to more Revenue producing areas.
]]> Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:41:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8423&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8423 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Hey pacman--no worries your way. There... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8422&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8422 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 11 2009 at 9:17am

Hey pacman--no worries your way.
There are few to no red light cameras towards the east end of town. City doesn't want to burden the upper crust, who are far above being cited for safety concerns. Besies, the east-enders are far too important and their "hurry" is justified.
 
The cameras are down towards the western/southern part of town.
]]> Sat, 11 Jul 2009 09:17:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8422&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8422 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : tomahawk35 wrote:Hermes,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8421&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8421 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 11 2009 at 8:54am

Originally posted by tomahawk35 tomahawk35 wrote:

Hermes, I tryed your solution last summer when I called the police dept. and complained about speeders on my street. They told me that they were too short-handed to have a patrol car to come over and just sit,which I then ask if I could videotape these speeders. I was told unless the police seen them theirselves that they couldn't do anything. This is the exact reason that I am totally confused about the legallity of the red lights, seems to be a double standard here.



Your question is really an opportunity to look at the "safety" aspect of the issue.

If someone receives a Redlight Camera Ticket in the mail (or a Speed Van Ticket), if it is not paid all that happens is that it is sent to  Collection Agency. It is not a "real" ticket and the person not paying will not be hauled into Traffic Court or Arrested. If a person values their Credit History, they will pay the Ticket. Thus....the delima. The habitual "Red Light Runner" or "Speeder" is not usually a person (imho, anyway) who really worries about thier Credit Record, and as such,the Automated System would be no deterrant to them. It would however, ensure the City not to miss an opportunity to "fine" the law abiding citizen who is unwittingly caught by the quick Yellow lights or the overly sensitive "right turn on red after stop" mechanism within the Red Light Camera Device.

Safety Issue...NO! Revenue Issue....YES!
]]> Sat, 11 Jul 2009 08:54:02 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8421&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8421 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Hermes, I tryed your solution... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8411&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8411 Author: tomahawk35
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 11:06pm

Hermes, I tryed your solution last summer when I called the police dept. and complained about speeders on my street. They told me that they were too short-handed to have a patrol car to come over and just sit,which I then ask if I could videotape these speeders. I was told unless the police seen them theirselves that they couldn't do anything. This is the exact reason that I am totally confused about the legallity of the red lights, seems to be a double standard here.]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:06:48 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8411&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8411 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Hehehehe no Red Light cameras... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8391&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8391 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 6:41pm

Hehehehe no Red Light cameras on my 2 mile journey to work each day, gonna have to start checking out those vans on the side of the road though, you never know, Middletown might need an injection of Funds for a few more HUD housing remodels or demos.LOL]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 18:41:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8391&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8391 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Pacman wrote:Hermes not in... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8387&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8387 Author: Hermes
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 5:48pm

Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

Hermes not in Hamilton they already copped to the RedLight Cameras being a revenue generating venture for them.LOL
 
Now in Middletown that would be another story.
For goodness sake Pacman don't end up like John,please remain the good law abiding citizen that you are. I couldn't sleep at night knowing that your out there running red lights and speeding. And as a good citizen keep an eye on that John,I can tell by his postings he's a little fishey. ]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:48:58 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8387&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8387 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : John Beagle wrote:Ouch Hermes.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8386&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8386 Author: Hermes
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 5:44pm

Originally posted by John Beagle John Beagle wrote:

Ouch Hermes. You are a bit sensitive about this issue. I don't consider myself a criminal when I speed. I rarely do, but sometimes it happens.

Someday we may be monitored from the time we leave our homes to the time we come home. Maybe someday we will be monitored inside our homes too.
John if you speed or run red lights you are of the criminal element and YOU must be brought to justice !! Please John,for the sake of the citizens and the country,go and turn yourself in to the nearest law enforcement officer. You might get some jail time but you will be a better person for it,plus you will be a true benefit to America's "Prison's For Profit". ]]> Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:44:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8386&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8386 Hamilton Automated Speed Ticket Van : Hermes not in Hamilton they already... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1545&PID=8375&title=hamilton-automated-speed-ticket-van#8375 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1545
Posted: Jul 10 2009 at 2:25pm

Hermes not in Hamilton they already copped to the RedLight Cameras being a revenue generating venture for them.LOL
 
Now in Middletown that would be another story.
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