Middletown Forum : Infrastructure Funds http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Infrastructure Funds Tue, 06 Oct 2026 12:21:45 +0000 Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:33:18 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=1564 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Infrastructure Funds : Pac- to load the link, clear out... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8650&title=infrastructure-funds#8650 Author: accuro
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 11:33am

Pac- to load the link, clear out the http and copy this link above in, and you'll see the ordinances at the bottom you can launch.]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:33:18 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8650&title=infrastructure-funds#8650 Infrastructure Funds : Pacman- here's the link,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8648&title=infrastructure-funds#8648 Author: accuro
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 11:18am

Pacman- here's the link, its easy to search for the ordinance once you review the numeric sequence which should describe the section, and then pull up the specific ordinance by inserting the number. With AJ Smith's location, we should see if he supports getting this reversed, lets hope he sees how irresponsible it has been, and have petitions ready to be signed for thouse who come into his office.

http://www.cityofmiddletown.org/council/ordinances.html
]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:18:55 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8648&title=infrastructure-funds#8648 Infrastructure Funds : Accuro can you direct me to the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8634&title=infrastructure-funds#8634 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 9:51am

Accuro can you direct me to the Ordinance that pertains to the Infrastructure Fund of Old and its current wording?  I doubt a ballot initiative and the required signatures could be gathered by the deadline for the November Ballott, but I think it can be done for the Ballot in May 2010.]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:51:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8634&title=infrastructure-funds#8634 Infrastructure Funds : Pacman, I believe you are absolutely... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8632&title=infrastructure-funds#8632 Author: accuro
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 9:35am

Pacman, I believe you are absolutely correct. The voters passed this as a short-term situation which did not expire automatically after 3-5 years, and council never changed it, and the voters sat idly and said, so what? So, we now have roads a mess, the city spending previously dedicated monies or giving it to Perry Thatcher and the Atrium instead of having your street and my street repaired. Disgusting right?

To Mr. Kidd's point: I believe the analysis becomes twofold. Firstly, how all encompassing was the ordinance change, ie- did it include gas, and taxes in the whole ball of wax (like you, I haven't taken the time to pull the ordinance but it should be easy to find electronically as the online ordinance is gotten through the city link), or did it pertain just to funds dedicated for sewer. On first blsh, I will assume it was "all encompassing." So---nuts and bolts, nuts and bolts, the citizens got screwed! And by themselves for stupidity, Forest Gump lives here.

To your point: it would make sense topetition to have this put back on the ballot to be voted upon by November. THIS IS A CONSTRUCTIVE EFFORT THAT WILL BEGIN THE PROCESS OF RECLAIMING YOUR CITY AND TURING THE DIAL NORTH TO YOUR PROPRTY VALUES (or simpply continue to play the role of Forest Gump, now into its 22nd year).]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 09:35:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8632&title=infrastructure-funds#8632 Infrastructure Funds : Vet states: "How about the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8628&title=infrastructure-funds#8628 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 8:59am

Vet states:  "How about the street repair money "borrowed" by the city for an emergency (after voter approval) in the 80's and never returned to the street repair funds?"
 
Vet if the voters voted to approve the placing of Infrastructure funds into the General fund I see little that the citizens can do about the past.  Was the ordinance or charter provision for this repealed and no longer on the books or was it modified to allow this?  I haven't seen the provision.  I believe the only re-course the citizens have is to petition to have the Infrastructure Fund law placed back on the ballot for a vote to re-institute it and for the City to start funding it again.  Am I correct in this thinking?
]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:59:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8628&title=infrastructure-funds#8628 Infrastructure Funds : VV- I am not disputing the seriousness... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8627&title=infrastructure-funds#8627 Author: accuro
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 8:46am

VV- I am not disputing the seriousness of what appears to be allegations which may be inferred as ignoring the city ordinances or the state statutes. The point was the city wouldn't give answers (if I understood the jist correctly), and if that is so, a logical step would be to call CS, & H and ask how they would be assured there was no moving from funds that were dedicated (or could they?). If they then state, its an unknown, that the city could move funds from one fund into another, that becomes another issue. Then, from that position, how would the citizens know whether accuracy and transparancy is assured by the city? These are not only serious allegations, but the impact upon the property owner should not be ignored: if indeed $ Mm in funds dedicated for roads has been diverted, that impacts the quality of the road system, and property values, because the roads are a basic maintenance expectation. I'm looking for a solution, not a blame. If these paths are folowed, with no answers, then how to get answers? Think about this VV: CS& H would have to lnow what % of taxes were provided back to the city from the state- they would have to know the state law associated with the funds. They would have a responsibility to account for those funds- cash in goes where? ]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:46:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8627&title=infrastructure-funds#8627 Infrastructure Funds : accuro- Clark, Shaeffer and Hackett... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8613&title=infrastructure-funds#8613 Author: VietVet
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 6:39am

accuro- Clark, Shaeffer and Hackett is the "independent auditor" used by the city every year to check the city's books and to report to the state that everythings fine with the city's finances. However, with all of the information given in the above posts on the subject of city finances, with comments pertaining to movement of money from fund to fund, city finance people not recalling when or where money from fund to fund went and the city "borrowing" from the General Fund to "re-stock" other accounts, how is Clark, Shaeffer and Hackett able to tract the money flow to be accurate with their reports to the state? Seems to be some "creative finances" going on here as we discuss this. How about the issues that Mr. Kidd brings up in his post about the Gas Tax money not being properly used? How about the street repair money "borrowed" by the city for an emergency (after voter approval) in the 80's and never returned to the street repair funds? How does C,S&H get around that? You could call CS&H an independent auditor, but you could also have suspicions that they may have something going with the city as to "manipulation of the data" also to conform to audit procedures. How about an independent auditor, other than CS &H every year, to get an "out of town" assessment of the city's finances? CS & H may be too "cozy" with the city's money manipulations. JMO]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:39:34 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8613&title=infrastructure-funds#8613 Infrastructure Funds : My question to those that are... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8612&title=infrastructure-funds#8612 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 6:34am

My question to those that are running for City Council:
Why can’t you and or department heads answer some of these serious questions if we requested them in writing two weeks before the City Council Meetings?
Are you willing to change City Council Meetings to respond to questions from the public?

]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 06:34:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8612&title=infrastructure-funds#8612 Infrastructure Funds : Here is the link to the Auditor... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8611&title=infrastructure-funds#8611 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 16 2009 at 5:57am

Here is the link to the Auditor State of Ohio concerning Middletown

http://www.auditor.state.oh.us/AuditSearch/results.aspx
]]> Thu, 16 Jul 2009 05:57:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8611&title=infrastructure-funds#8611 Infrastructure Funds : Clark, Shaeffer, and Hackett have... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8596&title=infrastructure-funds#8596 Author: accuro
Subject: 1564
Posted: Jul 15 2009 at 5:14pm

Clark, Shaeffer, and Hackett have to certify the records to be accurate to submit to state, so yes Ms. Moon, the accounting firm MUST know Ohio law and statutes. I remain befuddled; if Mr. Kidd is correct as I read it, there is money flowing out of a ledger that is not comport to a city or perhaps a state ordinance and statute. Vet---CS& H IS the independent auditor, so the question would logically go to them.]]> Wed, 15 Jul 2009 17:14:31 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1564&PID=8596&title=infrastructure-funds#8596