Middletown Forum : AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Pacman wrote:I realize full...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:28:55 +0000

Author: lrisner
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 6:28pm

Pacman wrote:

I realize full well that a Strike vote is in many cases posturing. Unfortunately AK didn't exactly look at it that way and everyone suffered.

AK never gave the Union a chance. AK did win the PR war, I will admit. Only because their Pockets were deeper.

I can't elaborate further without legal jeopardy.

Pacman wrote:

you are right I have never belonged to a Union and have no desire to be in one. In my opinion Unions are a major disadvantage for Ohio in this day and age.

Very true! All Businesses in Ohio would be more properous if Ohio made it Legal to work Employees at wages less than the Minimum wage. Pay them $3/Hr and profits will soar! Pay them $2/Hr and even more Profits! How low should wages go?

Where does it End?

The point of my extreme example is that there has to be a Balance. Some of the comments in this Post has shown no balance.

Pacman wrote:

A prime example in my laymans mind is the Public Safety Union and their power over Cities. I think Unions have out lived there purpose in most cases.

I don't entirely disagree. I just dislike the "Misinformation" that is out there about Unions in general and how easily it is accepted as true!

There are bad Unions just the same as there is bad Companies (from a Labor stand point).

I just talked to a "Local Dept Store" Cashier recently and He commented how much he hated there. I ask "what's the problem?" He said " I came in this morning and ask my Boss about being off next Week and he told me that he did not want to talk about it until I was on the Clock. I wasn't due to punch in for 15 minutes. He did not have to be a jerk!"

I chuckled and answered "Well you have to understand, your Employer was in Court a few years ago and lost a Huge Payout for manipulating Employees into working off the Clock. Your Boss probably has orders from Corp.Office to have no Supervisor Relations with Employees until they are punched in. That no doubt includes talking about work Schedules".

He was amazed, but understood!

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Since we are talking union,I really...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 18:15:19 +0000

Author: Hermes
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 6:15pm

Since we are talking union,I really hesitate to say this because I am PRO-UNION,but three occupations that I'd like to see the union dissolved from is police-firemen and teachers. I have always said that these three should never,ever be involved with a union in any shape or form. As for any other jobs,GO UNION !!

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Irisner you failed to answer my...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:56:24 +0000

Author: Pacman
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:56pm

Irisner you failed to answer my question. I would like to know.

"There is a lot of misconceptions about Unions today."

Such as?

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : I realize full well that a Strike...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:52:05 +0000

Author: Pacman
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:52pm

I realize full well that a Strike vote is in many cases posturing. Unfortunately AK didn't exactly look at it that way and everyone suffered. And you are right I have never belonged to a Union and have no desire to be in one. In my opinion Unions are a major disadvantage for Ohio in this day and age.

A prime example in my laymans mind is the Public Safety Union and their power over Cities. I think Unions have out lived there purpose in most cases.

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : John Beagle wrote:Milton...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:50:12 +0000

Author: lrisner
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:50pm

John Beagle wrote:

Milton Friedman makes the case that labor unions are no longer on the side of angels.

Milton says, and I paraphrase: It used to be that if you said ‘trade union’ you said good. That’s changed, and desirably it’s changed. Why, because the harm Trade Unions have done have become obvious and patent that even the most innocent and naive, well meaning people, no longer equate labor unions with labor.

Full Blog Post with Video of Milton Friedman:
http://capitalismandfriedman.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/milton-friedman-on-labor-unions/

Miton Friedman also said "Greed is good", well we see what good greed has done us. Just look at Wall Street!

I dare to say that many of you "Local" Businessmen wouldn't even be in business in this Town if it were not for Unions.

Misconceptions and lack of Labor education!

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Milton Friedman makes the case...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:45:51 +0000

Author: John Beagle
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:45pm

Milton Friedman makes the case that labor unions are no longer on the side of angels.

Milton says, and I paraphrase: It used to be that if you said ‘trade union’ you said good. That’s changed, and desirably it’s changed. Why, because the harm Trade Unions have done have become obvious and patent that even the most innocent and naive, well meaning people, no longer equate labor unions with labor.

Full Blog Post with Video of Milton Friedman:
http://capitalismandfriedman.wordpress.com/2009/04/13/milton-friedman-on-labor-unions/

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Contracts are broken all the time...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:43:59 +0000

Author: Middletown News
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:43pm

Contracts are broken all the time and for good reason.

Enforcing a contract which causes a business to fail will result in all employees losing their job. The union mentality has always been to push hard for everything and anything they could get.

Today, modern unions are beginning to see the light. Its not what they can get, its what the company can offer and still be financially solvent.

Too bad not all unions see it this way.

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Pacman wrote:Irisner their...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:42:46 +0000

Author: lrisner
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:42pm

Pacman wrote:

Irisner their was probably no strike because AK beat you to the punch.

Union OKs Strike at AK Steel

Posted on: Monday, 20 February 2006, 12:00 CST

MIDDLETOWN, Ohio -- The union representing 2,600 hourly workers at AK Steel's Middletown Works has overwhelmingly authorized its leaders to call a strike, less than two weeks before their contract expires.

"We have heard our members," Brian Daley, president of the Armco Employees Independent Federation, said Saturday. "We hope that AK Steel begins listening."

The agreement expires March 1. The steelmaker seeks union concessions, saying it must cut legacy costs such as pensions to be competitive.

"The company's focus remains on negotiating a new cost- competitive agreement by Feb. 28," company spokesman Barry Racey said. "Negotiations are continuing. AK Steel remains hopeful."

You make my point perfectly! You obviously have NO Labor Relations experience (meaning having to work with Labor. The key being "work with" rather than just dominate!) The text of your Post is nothing more than procedural doings. AK was offered EVERY opportunity to avoid their work stopping actions.

My previous statement isd STILL true!

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : Irisner their was probably no...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:26:25 +0000

Author: Pacman
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:26pm

Irisner their was probably no strike because AK beat you to the punch.

Union OKs Strike at AK Steel

Posted on: Monday, 20 February 2006, 12:00 CST

"We have heard our members," Brian Daley, president of the Armco Employees Independent Federation, said Saturday. "We hope that AK Steel begins listening."

The agreement expires March 1. The steelmaker seeks union concessions, saying it must cut legacy costs such as pensions to be competitive.

"The company's focus remains on negotiating a new cost- competitive agreement by Feb. 28," company spokesman Barry Racey said. "Negotiations are continuing. AK Steel remains hopeful."

AK Ordered to Keep Ashland Open : "There is a lot of misconceptions...

Fri, 17 Jul 2009 17:19:15 +0000

Author: Pacman
Subject: 1587
Posted: Jul 17 2009 at 5:19pm

"There is a lot of misconceptions about Unions today."

Such as.