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   <title>ObamaCare One payer System :   Why That 48 Million Uninsured...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;04&nbsp;2009 at 4:38am<br /><br /><DIV id=><DIV =post><H2>Why That 48 Million Uninsured Number is Wrong </H2><DIV =post-entry><P>A March 31 <a href="http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h702UpSGq2AIfQK&#111;n_karkJtZ5hQD9791JU82" target="_blank"><FONT color=#b40202>AP article</FONT></A> entitled “Sebelius calls for action now on health care” repeats the claim, pushed by proponents of government run health care, that there are “48 million uninsured Americans”.</P><P>Numbers in the 40-million range regularly used by proponents of health care “reform” are based on reports from the Census Bureau which show, for example, over 45 million people “not covered” in 2007. However, these numbers are extremely misleading for several reasons, and the difference is critical not simply as a debating point but as a context for appropriate government policy changes.</P><UL><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>The Census Bureau itself says that “Health insurance coverage is likely to be underreported…” (See Appendix C of THIS </FONT></strong><a href="http://www.census.gov/prod/2008pubs/p60-235.pdf" target="_blank"><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>report)</FONT></strong></A><strong><FONT color=#ff0000> For example, “16.9 percent of people with an MSIS record indicating Medicaid coverage reported…that they were uninsured.”</FONT></strong></LI><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>According to Sally Pipes of the Pacific Research Institute, “as many as 12 million uninsured Americans are eligible for Medicaid and the State Children’s Health Insurance Program–but they haven’t signed up.”</FONT></strong></LI><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>More than half of the uninsured are between 18 and 34 years of age, a group which has relatively few expensive health issues and for whom self-insuring (paying their own medical bills) makes sense. Only 14% of people over the age of 55 are uninsured.</FONT></strong></LI><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Over 9 million of the “uninsured” have household incomes over $75,000.</FONT></strong></LI><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Roughly 30% of the uninsured are without insurance for less than 6 months (though this statistic will likely worsen during the current recession).</FONT></strong></LI><LI><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>And finally, estimates are that between 7.5 million to over 10 million of the uninsured (15% of them or more) are illegal immigrants.</FONT></strong></LI></UL><P>The number of chronically uninsured people who would prefer to have insurance but can’t afford it is likely <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>10-12 million people</FONT></strong>, or one quarter of the number often repeated by the media. <strong>Reporters who cite the 48 million number without providing a full context do their readers a great disservice.</strong></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;04&nbsp;2009 at 4:33am<br /><br /><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/z-1ZfFBMf8s" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;04&nbsp;2009 at 4:18am<br /><br /><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/UOLs7Cybnqw" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=303">lrisner</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 9:31pm<br /><br />Typical answer for a uninformed moron. I have never in my life voted for a democrat. I am angry because the GOP laid back and ignored issues long enough hat there was a backlash at the polls. We got Obamy as a result!<br><br>As to the Plan, unless you are too ignorant to read, you will see that I stated "I agree Bamy's plan sucks" I just realize there is a Health care problem. The GOP has offer nothing that will satisfy the Masses.<br><br>I have my own Plan fully funded for the rest of my Life and don't need any Medical from anyone.<br><br>Now, go drink some more Rush Kool Aid and get a little dumber!<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 9:07pm<br /><br /><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/tkmS6JrWSPU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 9:01pm<br /><br />Cut and Paste for <FONT size=1>irisner</FONT>: <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/aw8TCCkvnkQ" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></DIV><DIV><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley36.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="LOL" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title>ObamaCare One payer System : Hey Irisner I could really give...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 8:58pm<br /><br />Hey Irisner I could really give a $h*t if you are offended and no one asked to read it anyway, I realize it was a lot to read.<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big%20smile" />&nbsp; You and your liberal, "oh we got to save the world and pay for everyones Healthcare, Housing, Kids, Welfare, food and Illegally entering the country&nbsp;are what is wrong with this country.&nbsp;&nbsp; People like you really Offend me and the American way of life,&nbsp;best bet for you is to get your family together and drive North about 400 miles and there everyone gets : <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/v/3EPd2i4Jshs" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=303">lrisner</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 5:42pm<br /><br />Thank You. I am so stupid that I could have never found the GOP plan if not for you!<br><br><br>Now,YOU should read it. Tell me SPECIFICALLY what is in there besides statements that generalize. <br><br>It does nothing to help those without Cash! If you have money in our Society, you have no urgent Issues about the Health Care system as it stands. The free Market is wonderful about supplying what ever is needed to those who can pay!<br><br>How does GOP Plan deal with that? What does it do for some couple both working minimum wage and barely getting by? Why, the GOP is generous and will let them set money aside TAX FREE for medical Issues. Wonderful....now if they only had some money to set aside.<br><br><br>Geeez, get a grip and please don't cut and paste again. It offends me !<br>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 4:40pm<br /><br /><B><FONT size=5 face=Times-Bold><FONT size=5 face=Times-Bold><DIV><a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf?tag=c&#111;ntentMain;c&#111;ntentBody" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/GOPHealthPlan_061709.pdf?tag=contentMain;contentBody</A></DIV><DIV>House GOP Solutions Group Outlines Health Care Plan</DIV><P align=left>to Increase Affordability, Accessibility, Availability</P></FONT></FONT><I><FONT size=4 face=Times-BoldItalic><FONT size=4 face=Times-BoldItalic><P align=left>Commonsense Health Care Reform to Lower Costs and Increase</P><P align=left>Access and Quality at a Price Our Country Can Afford</P></B></I></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><P align=left>Republicans believe there are a number of potential areas for common ground to work</P><P align=left>with President Obama to improve health care for all Americans. Republicans are</P><P align=left>promoting commonsense reforms that make health care more affordable, reduce the</P><P align=left>number of uninsured Americans, and increase quality at a price our country can afford---</P><P align=left>while making sure that Americans who like their health care coverage can keep it.</P><P align=left>The House Republican Health Care Solutions Group has been working for months on a</P><P align=left>plan, listening to the American people, talking to doctors and patients, collecting input,</P><P align=left>and studying and debating ideas. This process has resulted in the broad outline of a health</P><P align=left>care reform plan that the solutions group hopes will receive bipartisan support.</P><P align=left>The health care reforms outlined are designed to:</P><P align=left>1. Make quality health care coverage affordable and accessible for every American,</P><P align=left>regardless of pre-existing health conditions.</P><P align=left>2. Protect Americans from being forced into a new government-run health care plan</P><P align=left>that would: a) eliminate the health care coverage that more than 100 million</P><P align=left>Americans currently receive through their job; b) limit your choice of doctors and</P><P align=left>medical treatment options; and c) result in the federal government taking control</P><P align=left>of your health care.</P><P align=left>3. Let Americans who like their health care coverage keep it, and give all Americans</P><P align=left>the freedom to choose the health plan that best meets their needs.</P><P align=left>4. Ensure that medical decisions are made by patients and their doctors, not</P><P align=left>government bureaucrats.</P><P align=left>5. Improve Americans’ lives through effective prevention, wellness, and disease</P><P align=left>management programs, while developing new treatments and cures for lifethreatening</P><P align=left>diseases.</P></FONT><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>Making Health Care More Affordable for All Americans:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><P align=left>More Americans will gain access to quality health care once its costs are brought under</P><P align=left>control. The first step in lowering health care costs is to eliminate the unnecessary overspending</P><P align=left>in our current system.</P><P align=left>Doctors order unnecessary tests to avoid being sued and every insurance company has its</P><P align=left>own codes and forms patients and doctors need to fill out. The Chief Counsel to the</P><P align=left>Health and Human Services Inspector General even went so far as to say that “building a</P><P align=left>Medicare fraud scam is far safer than dealing in crack or dealing in stolen cars, and it’s</P><P align=left>far more lucrative.”</P></FONT><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>To lower the costs of health care, the Republican plan:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Brings greater fairness to the tax code by extending tax savings to those who</FONT></P><P align=left>currently do not have employer-provided insurance but purchase health insurance on</P><P align=left>their own. This provision would provide an “above the line” deduction that is equal</P><P align=left>to the cost of an individual’s or family’s insurance premiums.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Provides immediate substantial financial assistance, through new refundable and</FONT></P><P align=left>advanceable tax credits, to low- and modest-income Americans.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Recognizes that many Americans who have not yet hit retirement age but may be</FONT></P><P align=left>changing jobs or have lost a job often face higher health care costs. To help those</P><P align=left>aged 55 to 64, the plan increases support for pre- and early-retirees with low- and</P><P align=left>modest-incomes.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman"><FONT size=3><FONT size=3>Recognizes that one of the largest obstacles for many small businesses </FONT></FONT>when it comes to</FONT></P><P align=left><FONT face=Times-Roman>retaining current employees or creating new jobs is the cost of health insurance. The</P><P align=left>plan allows states, small businesses, associations, and other organizations to band</P><P align=left>together and offer health insurance at lower costs.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Implements comprehensive medical liability reform that will reduce costly,</FONT></P><P align=left>unnecessary defensive medicine practiced by doctors trying to protect themselves</P><P align=left>from overzealous trial lawyers.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Provides Medicare and Medicaid with additional authority and resources to stop</FONT></P><P align=left>waste, fraud, and abuse that costs taxpayers billions of dollars every year.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Creates incentives to save now for future and long-term health care needs by</FONT></P><P align=left>improving health savings accounts and flexible spending arrangements as well as</P><P align=left>creating new tax benefits to offset the cost of long-term care premiums.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face="Times New Roman">Gives financial help to caregivers who provide in-home care for a loved one.</FONT></P><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>Making Health Care More Available &amp; Accessible for All Americans:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><P align=left>The Republican plan reduces the number of uninsured Americans by wisely targeting this</P><P align=left>population and helping Americans keep health care coverage regardless of a change in or</P><P align=left>loss of a job.</P></FONT><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>To expand availability and accessibility of health care coverage, the Republican</P><P align=left>plan:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Makes it easier for Americans to keep health care coverage regardless of a change in</FONT></P><P align=left>or loss of a job.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Encourages states to create a Universal Access Program by establishing and/or</FONT></P><P align=left>reforming existing programs to guarantee all Americans, regardless of pre-existing</P><P align=left>conditions or past illnesses, have access to affordable coverage.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Strengthens employer-provided health coverage by helping the 10 million uninsured</FONT></P><P align=left>Americans who are eligible, but not enrolled in, an employer-sponsored plan get</P><P align=left>health care coverage. The plan does this by encouraging employers to move to optout,</P><P align=left>rather than opt-in rules.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Helps employers offer health care coverage to their workers by reducing their</FONT></P><P align=left>administrative costs through a new small business tax credit.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Recognizes that not all high school and college graduates are able to find a job that</FONT></P><P align=left>offers health care coverage after graduation. By allowing dependents to remain on</P><P align=left>their parents’ health policies up to the age of 25, the number of uninsured Americans</P><P align=left>could be reduced by up to 7 million.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Provides flexibility to Medicaid and SCHIP beneficiaries by allowing them to apply</FONT></P><P align=left>the value of their benefit to a health plan that better meets their needs than the onesize-</P><P align=left>fits-all government program.</P></FONT><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>Promoting Healthy Living and Quality Care for All Americans Now and</P><P align=left>Tomorrow:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><P align=left>Innovations in treatment and access to quality health care information are critical to</P><P align=left>ensuring Americans receive the best possible care. It’s no secret that patients in other</P><P align=left>countries are often denied care or die waiting to get access to the top treatments.</P></FONT><B><FONT face=Times-Bold><P align=left>To promote prevention and wellness while ensuring every American has access to</P><P align=left>high quality health care, the Republican plan:</P></B></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Promotes prevention and wellness by giving employers and insurers greater flexibility</FONT></P><P align=left>to financially reward employees who seek to achieve or maintain a healthy weight,</P><P align=left>quit smoking, and manage chronic illnesses like diabetes.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Rewards high-quality care, instead of encouraging health care providers to order more</FONT></P><P align=left>and unnecessary services.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Uses new and innovative treatment programs to better coordinate care between health</FONT></P><P align=left>care providers, ensuring that those with chronic disease receive the care they need and</P><P align=left>do not continue to fall through the cracks.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Encourages the creation of health plan finders to provide patients with the tools to</FONT></P><P align=left>easily find the right health plan that best meets their needs.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Gives patients access to health care information so that they can identify and select</FONT></P><P align=left>health care providers who deliver high-quality care at a lower cost.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Makes health care more convenient by eliminating bureaucratic red tape to expand</FONT></P><P align=left>access to Community Health Centers that are so critical to underserved areas, both in</P><P align=left>large cities and in rural America.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Encourages home care and independence for patients rather than forcing individuals</FONT></P><P align=left>into institutionalized settings.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Promotes seniors' access to the doctors they need by modernizing Medicare</FONT></P><P align=left>reimbursements.</P></FONT><FONT face=Symbol><P align=left>• </FONT><FONT face=Times-Roman><FONT face="Times New Roman">Provides incentives to physicians who enter the field of primary care, helping to</FONT></P><P>ensure all Americans have access to the doctors they need.</P></FONT>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 1671<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;03&nbsp;2009 at 4:32pm<br /><br /><DIV>Irisner last I heard the Reps, weren't even allowed at the table to discuss this mess kind of hard to have a plan or get you ideas or comments across in the current atmosphere.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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