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Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 7:39pm

Accuro -

Since you addressed me by my name, please tell us what your real name is?
]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:39:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9447&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9447 Good Editorial from the MJ : Accuro and Madison Mom - My... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9446&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9446 Author: Ima B. Lever
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 7:30pm

Accuro and Madison Mom -
 
My post referred to the AGGREGATE salary and fringe benefits for four employees combined.  It was Not my intent to imply $200,000 in salary and $60,000 in fringe benefits for each person.
 
I have no axe to grind regarding the four employees.  My point is that HUD funds are becoming more and more of a cash cow for the City and forestall some difficult decisions on personnel.
 
 
]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:30:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9446&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9446 Good Editorial from the MJ : Pacman wrote:No. 1, I did... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9443&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9443 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 7:05pm

Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

No. 1, I did not write the above editorial, the Journal did so you get a grip and stop acting like an A$$.
 
Did you write this or not? If so, your words are fair game:

 
"Middletown and all City's in Ohio should be pushing for these changes in the State"


Irisner the system in its current financial state can not afford to operate under the above standards that are FORCED on it by State Law.  As Becker stated last night the City is facing a $1.8 million deficit.  The Public Safety Contracts are basically a big lose, lose for the city, if the Police/Fire don't agree to the contract, it goes to forced arbitration and the City usually looses.



So if the city loses in Arbitration, then the Police and Fire Unions are bad people? Are you always against Arbiters Rulings or only when they don't do things your way? Says a lot about your outlook on things. If things are that bad maybe we do need to raise City taxes!
 
 
As far as your mortgage goes get off you ass and refinance and stop complaining.

I am not complaining, just making a point how People like yourself see no problem ignoring Contracts when it comes to Labor, yet would cry the blues if someone reneged on a Contract that favored you.
 
As far as your "I am the almighty attitude" well I think you know what you can do with that.

You have so much Class. Witty too!

My positions are clearly superior to yours as mine are rooted in Logic and reasonable thought and don't always simply represent what is good for me. In your case, I think personally interest is the only issue at hand. That is why you and I clash so much.



Do us all a favor in the future don't bother reading my posts.

There certainly is nothing of substance to them, I will agree. I guess I am just tired of the internet Forums becoming "Whine Fest' for complainers that have no clue but to blame others. Maybe there is a reason people like yourself are ignored by City Government!


And,once again....Get a Grip. Regardless of what your mommy told you, the other 6 billion People on this Planet were not put here to keep you company. They count too!

]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 19:05:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9443&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9443 Good Editorial from the MJ : Pacman wrote:Ima B Lever the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9442&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9442 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 5:40pm

Originally posted by Pacman Pacman wrote:

Ima B Lever the deficit was for I believe 2010 or 2011 when Beck er was talking the Finance committee meeting last week.  Mike did you go to this meeting?
Pac:
Yes, I did, and I was there for what appeared to be the entire meeting.
It was frustrating since, once again, when I tried to make a point, I was not allowed to get to my point before I was interupted and condescendingly lectured to about points that I already understood and with which I agreed. 
 
Five of the seven council members and the city manager were also in attendance.
]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 17:40:24 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9442&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9442 Good Editorial from the MJ : Mr. Self, what 4 positions does... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9429&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9429 Author: accuro
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 2:39pm

Mr. Self, what 4 positions does Middletown pay a base salary on of $200,000. That cannot be right' city manager (grossly overpaid for the null effect she provides), makes < than $125 Kk. I can't comprehend 4 make $200,000. in salary alone. Please name those. This is too rich even for Middletown's entitlement system. ]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 14:39:07 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9429&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9429 Good Editorial from the MJ : Ima B Lever the deficit was for... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9427&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9427 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 1:43pm

Ima B Lever the deficit was for I believe 2010 or 2011 when Beck er was talking the Finance committee meeting last week.  Mike did you go to this meeting?]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:43:02 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9427&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9427 Good Editorial from the MJ : Ima B. Lever wrote: Point... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9426&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9426 Author: Marianne
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 1:31pm

Originally posted by Ima B. Lever Ima B. Lever wrote:

Point #2:  There are at least four (4) positions with over $200,000 in salary and $60,000 in fringe benefits that I know of that cannot be justified by any reasonable standard because of lack of work.  Is it possible that these persons are now paid and temporarily working on HUD-funded projects instead of their intended duties?

What are the (at least) four positions which receive more than 200k in salary and 60k in fringe benefits?
]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:31:40 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9426&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9426 Good Editorial from the MJ : Point #1: Over the past few months... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9424&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9424 Author: Ima B. Lever
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 1:08pm

Point #1:  Over the past few months the City's projected budget shortfall has risen from $1.0 million to $1.35 million and now $1.8 million.  Could it go even higher by the end of the calendar year?
Point #2:  There are at least four (4) positions with over $200,000 in salary and $60,000 in fringe benefits that I know of that cannot be justified by any reasonable standard because of lack of work.  Is it possible that these persons are now paid and temporarily working on HUD-funded projects instead of their intended duties?]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 13:08:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9424&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9424 Good Editorial from the MJ : No. 1, I did not write the above... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9423&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9423 Author: Pacman
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 12:54pm

No. 1, I did not write the above editorial, the Journal did so you get a grip and stop acting like an A$$.
 
Irisner the system in its current financial state can not afford to operate under the above standards that are FORCED on it by State Law.  As Becker stated last night the City is facing a $1.8 million deficit.  The Public Safety Contracts are basically a big lose, lose for the city, if the Police/Fire don't agree to the contract, it goes to forced arbitration and the City usually looses.
 
As far as Stern goes I am not paying his salary and could care less.
 
As far as your mortgage goes get off you ass and refinance and stop complaining.
 
As far as your "I am the almighty attitude" well I think you know what you can do with that.  Do us all a favor in the future don't bother reading my posts.
]]> Wed, 05 Aug 2009 12:54:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9423&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9423 Good Editorial from the MJ : Why do you hate working people... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1683&PID=9420&title=good-editorial-from-the-mj#9420 Author: lrisner
Subject: 1683
Posted: Aug 05 2009 at 12:17pm

Why do you hate working people so bad?


Let's exam this for a moment.


• The “step system,” wherein public employees andteachers for many years and in quick succession get two raises annually— one for time on the job, one as a cost-of-living adjustment — ishorrendously expensive and masks the increases employees really arereceiving. (Moreover, in hard times, when salary freezes are imposed,the freezes don’t always apply to the step raises.)


This is a Contract issue. deal with it at Contract time if you don't like it. It amazes me how People seem  to think it is fine if Howard Stern gets $100mil out of a radio Contract even when it nearly Bankrupts the Company (XM) yet think it is terrible that some Fireman makes out by the terms of the contract that His/Her Supervisory System agreed to. Are you Jealous?

• Public employee pensions are phenomenally generous,and they reward people with cushy deals at ages that are unheard of inthe private sector. In addition, the pensions discourage naturalturnover once a person has any significant time on the job. Creatingwhat amounts to “golden handcuffs” results in a work force that isgenerally older and more expensive.


See above.

• The state law that requires binding arbitrationwhen police and fire unions can’t reach agreement forces managers tomake offers they can’t really afford in order to appear reasonable.Arbitrators can’t modify either side’s last and best offer; they haveto pick one’s side proposal.


See above...Geeez, this is getting tiring. It is like Kindergarten.

• Overtime is a racket, especially in police and firedepartments because of holiday pay and contracts that allow too manyfirst-responders to be off at the same time, resulting in others beingcalled in and paid premium wages.



Above!

• Some governments let employees cash out large amounts of unused sick leave when they quit or retire.

Above!



Sounds to me like Public Employee Management in Ohio is run by a bunch of Whiners that don't want to live with what they agree to. Say no at contract time if the Terms are unacceptable.


I think I will call up my Mortgage Co and tell them that I want the Interest Rate that is available now, rather than the one that was going rate when I got my Mortgage. I am sure tjey will say "Fine, we will tear up the signed agreement we have that says You are to pay the higher rate and will let you have the now lower rate. A signed Contract does not mean anything to us!".



Get a grip. You sound like my 12 yr old Niece with all the whining!


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