Middletown Forum : Will Council Do what is Right? http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Will Council Do what is Right? Tue, 06 Oct 2026 05:21:17 +0000 Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:58:48 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2249 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Will Council Do what is Right? : Kudos for Ms. Scott-Jones forsticking... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13408&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13408 Author: Pacman
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 03 2009 at 8:58pm

Kudos for Ms. Scott-Jones for sticking up for the little guy that foots the bills in this city and shame on the rest of Council that didn"t say a word.   I still fail to understand why City Admin feels it is OK to protect the Business owner and screw over the Citizen.   But fear not lowly citizens you can take the store owner to civil court for a few $100 and sue the store owner to get back that DVD player that he probably paid the crook $10.00 for and is now selling it for $75.00.
 
Looks like the Second Hand store owners have found a new supplier in the form of the city government that will run interference for them on the store owners inventory.
 
Admin claims they don't want the innocent Store owner hurt in this mess, yeah right like after doing this for awhile their radar doesn't go up when hot item may be entering the store, but the innocent citizen that actually owned the property and got robbed gets screwed once by the thief, twice by the city and a third time by the Store owner.
 
Hey what the hell why wouldn't you want to move to Middletown.  The city where you actually have a chance to buy your own belongings twice, if you are lucky. 
]]> Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:58:48 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13408&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13408 Will Council Do what is Right? : How the new ordinance will read... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13389&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13389 Author: Pacman
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 03 2009 at 11:21am

How the new ordinance will read changes are in bold from the workbook of tonights meeting, from reading the workbook it appears the shop owners were given pretty much free rein as far as changes go to the  ordinance:
 
"If a police officer determines the identity of the true owner of stolen

articles held by a second-hand dealer by a preponderance of the

information available and informs the dealer of the true owner’s identity,

the dealer may restore the stolen goods to the true owner directly. The

true owner may must reimburse the dealer for the exact amount the dealer

paid for the stolen article. Nothing in this section is intended to limit the

right of the true owner to recover their property, or any legal remedy

the true owner may have to do so."

You will also notice that the ordinance says, "If a police officer determines the identity of the true owner of stolen articles held by a second-hand dealer by a preponderance of the information available and informs the dealer of the true owner’s identity, the dealer may restore the stolen goods to the true owner directly."

Does this mean the store owner has a choice to either keep the items or do the right thing and return them to the rightful owner.]]> Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:21:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13389&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13389 Will Council Do what is Right? : SO. . . . THE THIEF ROBBED THEM... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13372&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13372 Author: wannaknow
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 8:17pm

SO. . . . THE THIEF ROBBED THEM AND NOW THE STORE AND CITY WILL JOINTLY ROB THEM AGAIN, INTERESTING]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 20:17:53 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13372&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13372 Will Council Do what is Right? : That is idiotic to make the rightful... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13366&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13366 Author: Hermes
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 6:21pm

That is idiotic to make the rightful owner pay for their own property. I agree with everyone that to pass that has no incentive for shop owners to do the right thing.
 
I think we should get a "drug testing" policy passed for all council members and city admins. To even suggest this is reason to drug test everyone involved. ]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:21:51 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13366&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13366 Will Council Do what is Right? : When you go into business you... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13365&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13365 Author: Pacman
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 6:20pm

When you go into business you assume some risks on every move you make.  When you go into this type of business your risks are higher and you know this ahead of time.  If you are willing to reap any rewards you must also suffer the consequences.  There are ways you can probably cut your risk in this business, the question is do you want to do what is needed to cut that risk.  To place the risk on the City residents as a whole is ridicules to say the least.
 
Why would any city pass a law like this to start with?  I am sure there are many businesses in town that would love to get special meetings with City Admin and have laws put forth that suit and protect their needs and assets.
]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 18:20:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13365&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13365 Will Council Do what is Right? : But what if you are doing things... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13358&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13358 Author: rngrmed
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 4:06pm

But what if you are doing things right and buy an item from an individual that you didn't know he stole it?  Should your business be put at risk?  If you unknowingly bought a stolen item should you be arrested for buying stolen property? 

I agree, this is only making a person a victim 2x and have argued against this before. Just being a devil's advocate here.  ]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:06:03 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13358&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13358 Will Council Do what is Right? : I see - we could open our own... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13353&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13353 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 3:40pm

I see - we could open our own shop for 200 - start stealing items - then when the owners come to collect them - we sell it back to them.  Cut out the middle man - be the thief yourself.  ]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 15:40:25 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13353&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13353 Will Council Do what is Right? : What a joke. Oh I forgot,the council... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13346&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13346 Author: LMAO
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 2:32pm

What a joke. Oh I forgot,the council is a big ole joke.LOLLOL]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:32:47 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13346&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13346 Will Council Do what is Right? : It ought to be real interesting... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13342&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13342 Author: wasteful
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 1:40pm

It ought to be real interesting hearing this explanation from City Employees, best thing Council can say on this is, "We are not setup to have a discussion at this time", then go in the back room and laugh.  I really can't imagine why anyone would even suggest this.  So you have to go buy an item and then if it gets stolen and one of these great downtown businesses buys it and it is found you have to buy it again.  Please tell me the Middletown logic for this one.LOL  And you wonder why people run the other way from Middletown. ]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 13:40:26 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13342&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13342 Will Council Do what is Right? : That makes no sense at all. If... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13331&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13331 Author: Bobbie
Subject: 2249
Posted: Nov 02 2009 at 11:48am

That makes no sense at all.  If I were to buy something from someone that was stolen (unknowingly) - I would not get reimbursed for the item.  Sounds to me you could get a good racket going on here.  What would deter any shop from buying stolen goods - if they have no risk  of loss.  There has to be some risk for the stores - otherwise they will buy stolen goods all the time.  ]]> Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:48:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2249&PID=13331&title=will-council-do-what-is-right#13331