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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown :   Murdock wrote:There was no...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 5:58pm<br /><br /><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Murdock" alt="Originally posted by Murdock" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Murdock wrote:</strong><br /><br />There was no money tucked away in the budget&nbsp;that bought these cruisers....they were depreciated as required by policy and replaced as they always are.&nbsp; The police department budget reflects this in a line-item.&nbsp;&nbsp; They are purchased off the State of Ohio's approved bid list for this kind of purchase. </FONT><DIV><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Hope this helps the ignorant!!<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" /></FONT></DIV><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></td></tr></table> </FONT><SPAN lang=EN><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Ms. Murdock: Please excuse me. I didn’t realize that you had problems reading. I’ll try to take the time and trouble to be perfectly clear this time so that perhaps even you can understand.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">First, I’ll re-quote my original post, but in a LARGER font. Please do not consider this to be “shouting”. I do this only in case the problem is with your eyesight. I know that I find the default font on this forum to be a bit small, but I am old. I seldom consider that some other readers may be even older than I. A good hint might be to keep your browser set to 125% as I do. (If you don’t know how to do this, please ask. I would be happy to provide instructions at no fee.)</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mike_Presta" alt="Originally posted by Mike_Presta" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mike_Presta wrote:</strong><br /><br /><B><FONT size=5><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#ff0000>There is always money "tucked away in some of our other funds" when we really need it. </FONT></FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><FONT color=#0000ff>Didn't the City Manager just find some again during the 11/17 meeting???</B></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"></td></tr></table> </FONT></P><P><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>Okay, I hope that you can now make out my post, so let’s turn our attention to the first sentence. (That would be the words in the <FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#ff0000>RED</FONT></FONT> font!!!) If you read those words carefully, you will find that <B><I>NOWHERE </B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">were the terms: “cruiser”, “police”, “budget”, “line-item”, “bid list” or “purchase” used. That is because this simple statement was not specific to any of those items. I was merely making a GENERAL statement about our city’s apparent attitude toward fiscal policy. More specifically, I was trying to give a GENERAL, POSSIBLE answer to a question posed by Mr. Hermes. Here is his post:</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Hermes" alt="Originally posted by Hermes" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Hermes wrote:</strong><br /><br />Knowing these members Vet they probably bought all SUV's. And I agree,did they get bid's on this or what ? </FONT></P><B><FONT color=#008000><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">And where did the money come from ? I thought the city was broke and in the red ?</FONT></B></FONT><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3></td></tr></table> The part of the quote in <B><FONT color=#008000>GREEN</B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"> is the part to which I was replying. (I sincerely hope that you are not colorblind in addition to being myopic.)</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>Okay…let’s recap: The two sentences in <B><FONT color=#008000>GREEN </B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>are the questions from Hermes. The one sentence in <B><FONT color=#ff0000>RED</B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3> is my GENERAL answer to the questions in <B><FONT color=#008000>GREEN</B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">.</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>Now for the part of my response that was in <B><FONT color=#0000ff>BLUE!</B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3> The single sentence in BLUE was just a bit of reinforcement (that means “back-up” or “support”) for the GENERALITY that I stated (the part in <B><FONT color=#ff0000>RED</B></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">) in my answer.</FONT></P><FONT face=Arial><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here is some additional reinforcement:</FONT></P><P><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>After the “public safety payroll tax increase” failed (I believe in November of 2007), and the Fire Department had only been funded “quarter-by-quarter” (council was counting on the tax increase being passed), the City needed About $350,000 by the following April 1<SUP>st</SUP> or the Fire department would be force to close at least one more station. All of a sudden, at the last minute, Mr. Lyons <B><I>“found” </B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>the money needed <B><I>“tucked away in one of our other funds!” </B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><FONT size=3>Now those were <B>HIS words, NOT mine!!!</P></B></FONT></FONT><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">　</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">So, let’s fast forward to the November 17, 2009, city council meeting.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The amount, once again, was about $350,000. (Now I’m sure that $350K is not a great deal to you, but it is to most of us, and 350K here in this fund…350K there in that fund…and before you know it, you’re talking some real money!!!</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">The situation at that council meeting was that there was an opportunity for a sweet deal…just too good to be true…at the airport, BUT (there’s always a “but” isn’t there?) council had to act quickly. They had to decide right away, or else they will need an “Emergency Ordinance“ and you know how much they hate those!!! </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Here are some ACTUAL QUOTES from that meeting--THEIR WORDS, not mine-- and PLEASE do not take my word for it. Go to BlipTV.com, watch and listen to the meeting (I hope that you are not hard of hearing along with your other infirmities) and verify for yourself that these quotes are transcribed exactly!!! You can also see and hear them in their exact context.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">　</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Judy Gilleland (JG): “We have some other funds available that we can borrow from”;</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Dave Schiavone: “…some internal money might be available” </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Anita Scott-Jones (ASJ): “…the public is hearing: we are going to borrow money and there are several accounts…” </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">JG: “…It could be borrowing from an internal fund.” “But again, we have funds that have balances, obviously, it could be borrowing from an internal fund.” </FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">ASJ: “Those funds are for a specific use. Somebody might ask: ‘Why are we having budget issues?’ That‘s what I‘m trying to get at, for the public‘s sake.”</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">At least ASJ sounded like she was trying to look out for the people, but she never did get a straight answer!!!</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">And to top things off, later in that very same meeting, they passed the 2010 Budget Resolution, but not until after a whole lot of hand-wringing about what bad shape we were in and how the fire department needs more money, and maybe they should fund them incompletely and solve the problem during the first quarter of 2010. (Sounds familiar, doesn’t it?)</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3 face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">In conclusion (which means we are nearing the end), if you remain confused, please tell me, and I will try again to explain, but using a larger font and smaller words (but no colors).</P><DIV></DIV>PS: I hope that this helps!!! <img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" /></FONT></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : wow murdock---ignorant is such...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 10:26am<br /><br />wow murdock---ignorant is such a harsh divisive term, though you were inclusive. <DIV>Still--when coupled with vultures and liars, it doesn't help to close the communication and information gap between the citizens and our Council/Admin.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Watch for an interesting editorial on this subject in 2morrow's MJ.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So--we can hope that our new Council makeup will do just that.</DIV><DIV>I expect them to do so--why wouldn't they?</DIV><DIV>Funny--we are smart for putting them there, but not smart enough to understand or appreciate their actions.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>names names names--sticks and stones-----the pot and the kettle</DIV><DIV>payback comes in May!</DIV>]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : Hermes.......I think we ALL resemble...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=89">Murdock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2009 at 9:01am<br /><br />Hermes.......I think we ALL resemble that remark at times!?!?!?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" height="17" width="23" border="0" alt="Thumbs%20Up" />]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : Murdock - I resemble that remark...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 9:09pm<br /><br />Murdock - I resemble that remark !! <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley18.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Ouch" />]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : There was no money tucked away...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=89">Murdock</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;18&nbsp;2009 at 8:58pm<br /><br />There was no money tucked away in the budget&nbsp;that bought these cruisers....they were depreciated as required by policy and replaced as they always are.&nbsp; The police department budget reflects this in a line-item.&nbsp;&nbsp; They are purchased off the State of Ohio's approved bid list for this kind of purchase.<DIV>Hope this helps the ignorant!!<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley2.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wink" /></DIV>]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : Yeah that money will get spent...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 4:11pm<br /><br />Yeah that money will get spent then next year there will be a levy on the ballot for emergency services. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It's all a political scam regardless of how you look at it, the rules are written by con-artist...aka lawyers...aka politicians.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : I agree VietVet...seems like departments...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=281">rngrmed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 2:19pm<br /><br />I agree VietVet...seems like departments should turn in expected budgets (realistic) with a goal to operate within those means.&nbsp; I understand unexpected expenses happen just as in any household.&nbsp; Which would be the reason to have a savings and not punish a department for coming in under budget.]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : There is a certain lack of logic,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 2:10pm<br /><br />There is a certain lack of logic, especially from a cash strapped city (so they say), to tell a city department that they need to spend all their money or risk losing more money in next year's budget. They should be commended for not spending the original amount, not penalized. I understand the concept of "spend it or lose it" as I have worked for employers who have similar policies for departments to adher to, but it is a rather assinine policy. Just transfer the unused monies to another department that had a justification for more expenditures and retain the same amount for each department for the next year. It's all funny money anyway, moved around within the company. ]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : When I was in the military if...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=281">rngrmed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2009 at 1:53pm<br /><br />When I was in the military if we didn't use our entire budget we would scramble at the end of the year to purchase more items or risked our budget being reduced the next fiscal year.<DIV>&nbsp;My guess is the police department didn't use their entire budget or there was money left in the general fund.&nbsp;&nbsp; Probably an emergency vote so the large purchase could be added to this year's budget and then council could say how much was needed in 2009.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>New Police Cruisers For Middletown : There is always money &amp;#034;tucked...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;16&nbsp;2009 at 7:55pm<br /><br />There is always money "tucked away in some of our other funds" when we really need it.&nbsp; Didn't the City Manager just find some again during the 11/17 meeting???]]>
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