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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. :    Nelson R. Self wrote:Thanksfor...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=387">TudorBrown</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;29&nbsp;2010 at 9:34am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Nelson R. Self" alt="Originally posted by Nelson R. Self" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Nelson R. Self wrote:</strong><br /><br /><font size="2"><strong>Thanks&nbsp;for raising questions about the increased occurence of&nbsp;"Emergency Legislation" that we've witnessed throughout 2009 and continues into 2010. </strong></font><div><font size="2"><strong>&nbsp;</strong></font></div><div><font size="2"><strong>May God&nbsp;bless you both for expressing the&nbsp;courage of your convictions.</strong></font></div><div><font size="2"><strong>&nbsp;</strong></font></div><div><font size="2"><strong>You're certain to be occasionally&nbsp;"pressured"&nbsp;by some veteran City Council members to follow the status quo.</strong></font></div><div><strong><font size="2"></font></strong>&nbsp;</div><div><strong><font size="2">Also, a review of City Council agendas covering the past few years <font color="#0000ff"><em>DOES NOT </em></font>show a decrease in "Emergency Legislation" items as one misinformed City Council member claimed during their praising of a certain senior City staff member.</font></strong></div><div><font size="2"><strong>&nbsp;</strong></font></div><div><font size="2"><strong>Remember,&nbsp;local government always works best when&nbsp;average citizens of a community have a legitimate voice in all matters involving their community.</strong></font></div></td></tr></table><br><br>YES!<br><br>Thank you Laubach, Smith!!!<br>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : Mike, I only shuddered at your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;24&nbsp;2010 at 6:30pm<br /><br />Mike, I only shuddered at your superior intellect and command of facts.&nbsp; I thought you might gun me down with data because you seem to be very knowledgable about all matters pertaining to city and the MCSB.&nbsp;&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. :   BengalBill wrote:Randy, your...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;24&nbsp;2010 at 8:55am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by BengalBill" alt="Originally posted by BengalBill" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>BengalBill wrote:</strong><br /><br />Randy, your example with Becker is obviously a problem.&nbsp; He should have responded by now.&nbsp; An example I'm thinking of, and I shudder to criticize him, is Mr. Presta's lengthy point-by-point critique of the hiring process for Superintendent.&nbsp; I commend Marcia Andrew for responding to the many points Mr. Presta made.&nbsp; Not saying he was wrong for the correspondence but in IMHO I think it was nitpicking to parse every word and sentence she used.&nbsp; I just wouldn't have done it.&nbsp; Again, he's free to do so but I want results and don't care what date someone's resume arrived.&nbsp; And before someone bashes me for that little opinion and says "we're just holding them accountable", all I'm saying is that I would rather just give some input then let them do their job and see how it turns out...</td></tr></table> <DIV><SPAN lang=EN><P>Well, I’ve turned this over in my mind for several days before replying. You see, I’m a very sensitive guy (when guys like Alan Alda or Phil Donohue need advice regarding sensitivity, they nearly always call me) and my feelings were hurt by your statement above.</P><P>Mr. Bill, why in the world would you “shudder to criticize” me??? Have I ever threatened anyone here??? No!!! Am I physically imposing??? NO!!! In fact, I am an old, half-crippled, “Teddy bear” type--loved by all who know me. I have no history of unprovoked violence, and have killed fewer innocent people than Ted Kennedy. I try to always treat other folks as they treat me. I am generous to widows and orphans, and always offer my seat to ladies, whether they are pregnant or not. I seldom refuse to offer a gentleman a drink. When I was a younger, healthier man, I would frequently even give my opponents the benefit of the shade.</P><P>Regardless, if I have done anything (other than to seek the truth) that offends you or frightens you, I do apologize.</P></SPAN></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : Previous post was mine. Not sure...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 9:35am<br /><br /><P>Previous post was mine.&nbsp; Not sure how I selected "BengalBill" </P>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : Randy, your example with Becker...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=534">BengalBill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 9:29am<br /><br />Randy, your example with Becker is obviously a problem.&nbsp; He should have responded by now.&nbsp; An example I'm thinking of, and I shudder to criticize him, is Mr. Presta's lengthy point-by-point critique of the hiring process for Superintendent.&nbsp; I commend Marcia Andrew for responding to the many points Mr. Presta made.&nbsp; Not saying he was wrong for the correspondence but in IMHO I think it was nitpicking to parse every word and sentence she used.&nbsp; I just wouldn't have done it.&nbsp; Again, he's free to do so but I want results and don't care what date someone's resume arrived.&nbsp; And before someone bashes me for that little opinion and says "we're just holding them accountable", all I'm saying is that I would rather just give some input then let them do their job and see how it turns out.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Pacman,&nbsp;I agree with the overall focus with regard to the east end (which is&nbsp; contrary to some opinions in the second ward), the&nbsp;visible attempts to get involved with the&nbsp;train station issue, the pools (close down Douglass), and the demolition of old structures and creation of more green space.&nbsp; &nbsp; I readily admit I am not as tuned into how these decisions are made and if council should credit for any of it.&nbsp; I just don't have the time to be as informed as I should be.&nbsp;&nbsp;I do&nbsp;have a&nbsp;problem with the failure to work on&nbsp;a more rapid reduction in the Sec. 8 housing.&nbsp; And I think there seems to be a "vision problem" -- there doesn't seem to be enough movers and shakers who have some vision and creativity for getting things done.&nbsp; An example is the rather predictable call for an arts focus in downtown --- enticing artists to come live and work there in exchange for minimal rent, etc.&nbsp; I was reading about these kind of initiatives for the last several years -- Hamilton was diving into it about 3-4 years ago.&nbsp; It always seems like M'town jumps on the bandwagon (usually too late!) and&nbsp;rarely LEADS with a&nbsp;novel or clever approach to a problem.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : You speak the truth once again,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 8:48am<br /><br /><FONT size=3>You speak the truth once again, Randy!&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I&nbsp;appreciate your efforts to bring&nbsp;transparent and accountable&nbsp;governance back to</DIV><DIV>One Donham Plaza.&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /></DIV></FONT>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. :   Bill wrote:But I don&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 8:43am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Bill" alt="Originally posted by Bill" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Bill wrote:</strong><br /><br />But I don't believe every decision our leaders make is off the mark or detrimental to the city.&nbsp; In some cases I think they're doing the best with what they have.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Bill</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would like to hear more on this statement, specifically what decisions.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>THANKS</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : Bill, I do agree with most of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 8:07am<br /><br />Bill, I do agree with most of what you have stated. Many things going on in this city is based on decisions past council has made. I do have one question for you, in your post you said "Finally, some on this site seem to revel in whether or not a particular leader has responded within 24-48 hours to their particular question or complaint."&nbsp; So &nbsp;what would be a proper time frame?&nbsp; Example: I have called one council member, Mr. Becker, no less than 20 times over the past few months never once has he returned a call. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Is that acceptable? </DIV>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : Thanx fer yer input, Mr.Bill. We...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 7:57am<br /><br />Thanx fer yer input, Mr.Bill.<DIV>We might be more concerned and frustrated than paranoid(feel the same way?)</DIV><DIV>I would think that most would agree with yer above message(as opposed to your last insulting message).</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We WANT you here, and this place IS set up for real discussion AND "to answer yer ?s".</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Kohler--he works for Admin and Council. So what he does is a mirror of what they want him to do.</DIV><DIV>If they want him to use a different approach or go in a different direction, then they should direct him so.</DIV><DIV>I like the guy and appreciate his knowledge and hard work. Juzst don't like his direction at all. "They" may have tried to have him do too many things(some of which he didn't really understand).</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>WE can go a long way if we listen and talk to each other, in stead of talking AT each other.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This site seems to be the best and most popular discussion venue(thanx 2 our hosts!).</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Welcome to this world.</DIV><DIV>Where the road goes on forever and the party never ends!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Thank You, Josh &amp; A.J. : My point is not that things couldn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2552<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 7:40am<br /><br /><P>My point is not that things couldn't be handled better and certain decisions aren't questionable.&nbsp; And certain people probably do need to lose their job (i.e. the history of difficulty businesses have had with Kohler over the years).&nbsp; But blanket statements that essentially label ALL the leaders on council or the school board (many of whom are educated or otherwise qualified and who do their work for little or no pay) as corrupt and clueless are off the mark.&nbsp; This populist pitchfork mentality and cries of "throw the bums out" may feel good but may be off the mark.&nbsp; As we all (or should) know this city has many problems that originated 25-30 years ago.&nbsp; If our city leaders were Superman, Batman, and Wonderwoman (why hasn't there been a movie about her anyway?) I don't think they could do much to help right away.&nbsp; It's like trying to turn a cruiseliner around quickly.&nbsp; So placing all the blame on&nbsp;current&nbsp;leaders for things like corporate flight, demographic changes, and poor parenting of students is like blaming the fireman for the raging fire.</P><DIV>Could things be handled better in some of these instances?&nbsp; Perhaps.&nbsp; And it's great that some on this site shine a light on some decisions.&nbsp; But I don't believe every decision our leaders make is off the mark or detrimental to the city.&nbsp; In some cases I think they're doing the best with what they have.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Finally, some on this site seem to revel in whether or not a particular leader has responded within 24-48 hours to their particular question or complaint.&nbsp; "They work for us" and "public input" are often used.&nbsp; Folks, these people are trying to run a city of 48k people and a school district of several thousand and you feel they should be waiting by their phone or computer to be a 24/7 customer service rep.&nbsp; We elected the leadership -- let them do their work, question them from time to time,&nbsp;and vote them in or out at the ballot box.&nbsp; But the nitpicking and demanding of answers for every decision they make is not realistic.&nbsp; For example, all the uproar about&nbsp;the Superintendent process.....I could care less how they found their candidates or who they hired.&nbsp; I just want results.&nbsp; After getting input for&nbsp;the new Super position, they can search however they want. If I don't like who you hired then I'll vote you off the board.&nbsp; Same goes for Council.&nbsp; Why they hell do we have a board or council if the public is going to want to micromanage their work all the time?</DIV>]]>
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