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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : There was a story about a little...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=314">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 2:18pm<br /><br />There was a story about a little boy crying wolf. That is what the city has created with their emergency legislation.&nbsp; No one knows when to believe if something is an emergency now or not.&nbsp; Becker, Jones - by what they said to the newer councilman may be true there is a need sometimes for it - however it has been abused and right now the whole counsel needs to gain trust&nbsp;from the citizens again.]]>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : Nelson, Please do NOT think that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 11:08am<br /><br /><DIV>Nelson,</DIV><DIV>Please do NOT think that I strongly disagree with you.&nbsp; Allow me to repeat one of the first thoughts that I expressed on this thread:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Mike_Presta" alt="Originally posted by Mike_Presta" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Mike_Presta wrote:</strong><br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><B><I><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5>Poor planning on staff’s part does not justify emergency action on council’s part!!!</FONT></B></I><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000 size=5> </FONT>Josh and AJ’s insistence upon reasonable time (and publicity?) between the release of information about legislation and the vote on same is truly meet and just.</FONT></SPAN></td></tr></table> </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:08:32 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : ]Mike -   From the date that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 11:01am<br /><br />&#093;<FONT size=2><strong>Mike -</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>From the date that the City of Middletown learned&nbsp;it was awarded "Stimulus" funds for these two street improvement projects, <FONT color=#0000ff>would it not be reasonable </FONT>to presume that a <FONT color=#ff0000>PROJECT MANAGEMENT TIMETABLE&nbsp;</FONT>would be adopted??&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp; This would include:</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong></strong></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>1)&nbsp; final project engineering and construction management planning;</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>2)&nbsp; procurment of contractor bids;</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>3)&nbsp; award of the lowest, most responsible contract bidder; and,</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>4)&nbsp; issuance of a notice to proceed to the successful bidder <FONT color=#ff0000>(depending upon the conclusion of inclement&nbsp;of winter weather conditions).</FONT></FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman, Times, serif">Yes, it absolutely <EM>WOULD</EM> be reasonable to presume that, Nelson.&nbsp; All of those steps, and many more, usually occur on most projects (unless there really IS an "emergency" or some other compelling reason for "fast-tracking" the front-end, pre-construction activities, and sometimes there are such reasons).</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Months ago during the project planning process, is it possible that the contract approval timetable was based upon <FONT color=#0000ff>EMERGENCY LEGISLATION </FONT>passage rather than a customary first and second reading method.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman">Yes, it is not only possibly, but PROBABLE. that exactly that, or something very similar, is what happened.&nbsp; Most likely, since the engineering department was short-handed (at least that is what we are told) they have been finishing everything on a "just in time" basis and putting other things off until they can put them off no longer.&nbsp; This probably involved not giving a second thought to relegating the passing of the enabling &nbsp;ordinance to an "emergency."&nbsp; After all, that's the way it has ALWAYS been done!!!&nbsp; It was more of the rule, rather than the exception.&nbsp; It was never a problem before.&nbsp; No one ever complained before. &nbsp;(Except perhaps me, as part of one of my Pleas in Mandamus in 1999.&nbsp; But I'm just a citizen...I don't count.&nbsp; Now whe have TWO--count 'em, TWO--official, full-fledged, sitting&nbsp;City Council members who are taking up the cause!!!)</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>I find the rationale for presenting these items as <FONT color=#ff0000>EMERGENCIES </FONT>to be without merit.&nbsp; City staff had a number of months to ensure that these important infrastructure projects be presented to the City Council and general public via a normal&nbsp;first and second reading process.&nbsp; Dave Duritsch confirmed this last night as well.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman">Yes,&nbsp;it probably is "without merit."&nbsp; However, these are not the type of "emergencies" that trouble me.&nbsp; As you mentioned at the outset of your remarks above, these two projects have been public knowledge for quite some time, and have been the subject of not only public disclosure but also public discussion more than once, including at council meetings.&nbsp; They were in the on-line workbook, and and were mentioned in&nbsp;<EM>The Journal</EM>&nbsp;as due for action at this meeting.&nbsp; The people were not "bushwhacked"!&nbsp;</FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman">Everything you have said is probably correct, and what they did is not right.&nbsp; It is just that, in my opinion, these&nbsp;are not the particular&nbsp;items that I would have chosen over which to "pick a fight."</FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><strong><FONT color=#0000ff size=3 face="Times New Roman"></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : Last night was by far the most...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 7:34am<br /><br />Last night was by far the most interesting council meeting I have attended in sometime, and in fate the first time I have watched anything fail to be passed. i am working on my video now, and I have some interesting comments, at least I think there interesting. ]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : &amp;#034;Councilman Bill Becker chastised...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 7:11am<br /><br />"Councilman Bill Becker chastised Smith and Laubach for outright refusing to consider any emergency legislation..... he said there's a reason it exists"( yes, and we do to Billy Boy- to ramrod all your hidden agenda items through before the public finds out what you're up to). He urged them to look at the big picture rather than focusing on their personal opinions. (And what exactly would that "big picture" be Billy?)  WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP FROM A POMPOUS A--. Kinda wish I was on Council and had him talk to me that way. Might have made the days of Schiavone and Williams look tame by comparison. Becker- YOU are one of the problem children that have failed to correctly look at the "big picture" and YOU are guilty of some personal opinions yourself while on Council. With your rubber stamp/go along with the MMF program/say yes to every emergency item/town destroying performance, you would be advised to not lecture anyone on the "correct decisions" in regard to this city. Your arrogance is showing and it's not easy to take.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" border="0" align="middle" />  Will the voters please remove this arrogant, egotistical problem from council next election? I've had about enough of him.]]>
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   <pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 07:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation : Mike -   From the date in 2009...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 6:37am<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>Mike -</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>From the date in 2009 that the City of Middletown learned&nbsp;it was awarded "Stimulus" funds for these two street improvement projects, <FONT color=#0000ff>would it not be reasonable </FONT>to presume that a <FONT color=#ff0000>PROJECT MANAGEMENT TIMETABLE&nbsp;</FONT>would be adopted??&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" /><img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp; Wouldn't this management tool normally&nbsp;include the following component implementation&nbsp;dates:</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong></strong></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>1)&nbsp; completion of final project engineering and construction management planning;</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>2)&nbsp; preparing of final plans, specifications and bid documents;</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>3)&nbsp; determination of contract procurement steps (advertising, the preparation of interest contractor bids, submission deadline, review of bids;</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>4)&nbsp; review of contractor bids and recommendation for the </FONT></strong><strong><FONT size=2>award of the lowest, most responsible contract bidder;</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>5)&nbsp; submission of&nbsp;staff recommendations to the City Council;</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>6)&nbsp; dates for general public comments and City&nbsp;Council approval;</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>7) signing of all contract documents and submission of required project insurance/bonding provisions;&nbsp;and,</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>4)&nbsp; issuance of a notice to proceed to the successful bidder <FONT color=#ff0000>(depending upon the conclusion of inclement&nbsp;of winter weather conditions).</FONT></FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Months ago during the contract management&nbsp;process, is it possible that the project</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>imetable was based upon <FONT color=#0000ff>EMERGENCY LEGISLATION </FONT>passage rather than a customary first and second reading method?&nbsp; Could this be the case?&nbsp; It makes one wonder?</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>I find the rationale for presenting these items as <FONT color=#ff0000>EMERGENCIES </FONT>to be without merit.&nbsp; City staff had a number of months to ensure that these important infrastructure projects be presented to the City Council and general public via a normal&nbsp;first and second reading process.&nbsp; Dave Duritsch confirmed this last night as well.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Thanks again, Mike.&nbsp; Your insight on engineering, planning and contractural issues is of great benefit to MiddletownUSA participants! <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" height="17" width="18" border="0" alt="Clap" /></FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Emergency (?) legislation :  The &#226;&#8364;&#339;retreat&#226;&#8364;&#157;??? Did anyone...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 5:32am<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P><FONT size=3>The “retreat”???</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>Did anyone happen to count how often a phrase similar to “maybe we should talk about that at the retreat” was used Tuesday night at the council and MPHA meetings???</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>It seemed to me like it was used with&nbsp;a great deal of frequency!!! I kept finding myself musing: “I wish that TVMiddletown had those “balloons” above the characters heads, like they use in the cartoons to show what the characters are “thinking.”</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3>It sure seemed as if the real thought was: “Maybe we should talk about that at the retreat…” <strong><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>(so shut up, DAMMIT! <img src="http://middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" />&nbsp;We don’t discuss things like that in front of TV cameras!!! Everybody in town will know what we’re up to!!!)</FONT></EM></strong></FONT></P></SPAN>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2554<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;20&nbsp;2010 at 5:24am<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P><FONT size=2><FONT size=3><strong><EM>Hooray </EM></strong></FONT>for our two new young members of City Council!!! Yet, how unfortunate that the first cases of <EM>“emergency”</EM> legislation that popped up happened to be the paving of University Blvd. and Sutphin St.</FONT></P><B><I><P><FONT size=2>Poor planning on staff’s part does not justify emergency action on council’s part!!!</FONT></B></I><FONT size=2> Josh and AJ’s insistence upon reasonable time (and publicity?) between the release of information about legislation and the vote on same is truly meet and just.</FONT></P><P><FONT size=2>However, perhaps unbeknownst to our two young friends, the issues of repairing/rebuilding of University and Sutphin using ARRA funds has been kicked around for months (if not years) and were not two of the usual “last minute surprise” type items that are often sprung on the public as part of a ruse to ramrod some pieces of spurious legislation past <FONT size=3><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM></FONT></FONT><FONT face="French  MT"><FONT face="French  MT">. </P></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial><P><FONT size=2>AJ appeared to try to stand by his convictions (a good thing) and voted “NO” on both of these non-emergency pieces of emergency legislation, yet indicated that he would vote “YES” if they were introduced “ten business days later”, again as emergencies. I think that he was trying to indicate that </FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT size=3 face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM>,</FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2> and the council, should be given some time to consider these items before they are brought to a vote. </FONT></P><P><FONT size=2>Josh, on the other hand, made a stirring and apparently sincere speech (with which I strongly agree, in principal) and then promptly proceeded to TWICE do exactly what he<EM> could not</EM>, in good conscious, do. He, in effect, twice voted to accept federal money. Josh simply erred in his logic, in two ways: </FONT></P><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P><FONT size=2>First, he apparently forgot that the feds (the so-called “source of the ARRA funds, are supposed to be accountable to</FONT><FONT size=3> </FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=3><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial>. (</FONT></FONT><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT size=3> </FONT>can reassert this basic tenet of Americans by replacing the entire House, and one-third of the Senate this November.) </FONT></P><P><FONT size=2>Second, that “free money” that comes with strings attached “from Washington” did not originate in Washington. It actually comes from </FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT size=2><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT size=3 face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM> </FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial>who pay taxes, including </FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT face=" MT Bold"><FONT size=3 face=" MT Bold"><EM>The People</EM></FONT></FONT><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><FONT size=3> </FONT>right here in Middletown, and we do deserve to get our fair share back (after the bureaucrats have deducted a large chunk for salaries, administration, and graft, of course.) Even though I agree with all that you said about “standing on our own,” at some point the feds must stop cutting our legs out from under us (taking so much of our money through confiscatory taxes) before we can stand really tall. If we could keep more money here (and replace a few more council members) then we <EM>really could</EM> take care of oourselves and “stand on our own.” (We could take care of our own <EM>deserving</EM> unfortunates, as well!!)</FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE><P><FONT size=2>So, in summary, <strong><EM>you two are RIGHT!!!</EM></strong> You picked an issue that needed to be addressed. You addressed it at the first opportunity after you were seated. Your cause was noble. Unfortunately, these two paving contracts were not really representative of the way the “emergency” powers are being abused. Shake it off and don’t be ashamed, though, as you are guilty of nothing more than being a little green. Remember, there is nothing illegal, immoral, or unethical about seeking outside opinions or advice anytime you may be unsure about anything. Make a phone call.</FONT></P><P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=3><strong>Stand fast, lads, and you will find that <FONT color=#0000ff size=4 face=" MT Bold">The People</FONT> will stand with you!!!</strong></FONT></P></FONT></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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