Middletown Forum : SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : Community Revitalization : SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? Tue, 06 Oct 2026 14:58:11 +0000 Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:33:10 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2560 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : I believe that Miss Judy or Doug... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15885&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15885 Author: Nelson R. Self
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 5:33pm

I believe that Miss Judy or Doug said it was about $11,750,000 for this Section 8 Program fiscal year.  The majority of these funds is used for housing assistance payments with the balance used for administrative fees (C.O.N.S.O.C. plus other City of Middletown expenses) ]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:33:10 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15885&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15885 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : What is the amount of money the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15884&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15884 Author: Bill
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 3:16pm

What is the amount of money the COM makes annually from the Sec 8 program?]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 15:16:44 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15884&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15884 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : Viet Vet - A few weeksafter... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15883&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15883 Author: Nelson R. Self
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 2:49pm

Viet Vet -
 
A few weeks after the aforementioned impromptu meeting in February 2008, the first City Council Housing Sub-Committee meeeting took place in Miss Judy's office in March 2008.  At that time they talked about hiring a consultant and I basically no longer had ANY REAL INVOLVEMENT with the Section 8 Program.  Consequently, I can't answer why the issue of elected officials "possibly" being Section 8 landlords wasn't looked into.
 
By the way, that City Council Housing Sub-Committee meeting was attended by Miss Judy, Marty Kohler, David Schiavone, Barbara Castells (Chief Building Official) and me.  There was much talk about the Public Housing Agency being brought back to City Hall under the direction of Mr. Kohler.  A couple of attendees openly advocated City staff to administer the program and not C.O.N.S.O.C. 
 
After that date in March 2008 you would have to speak with Miss Judy, Marty Kohler or Frank Chapman (Consultant) to learn what was happening as time moved along.  I do know that Ginger Smith attended meetings after she was transfered to be the Community Revitalization Director in August 2008 and Doug Adkins when he was moved upstairs as of February 2009.
]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 14:49:01 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15883&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15883 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : wasteful wrote:Hermes as long... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15881&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15881 Author: Hermes
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 12:50pm

Originally posted by wasteful wasteful wrote:

Hermes as long as you have a City which caters to the Section 8 program and just 4155 people, rather than the city as a whole and all of it's residents this problem will only get worse.  Tax paying residents will continue to flee the city.  Businesses will continue to close and leave.  New Businesses will not come as the poverty level will be to high to support.  No disposable income, no retail and entertainment businesses.
 
I for the life of me don't understand the City's stance on this issue and ignoring the other 48000 residents and the city overall.
 
 
I have to agree with you wasteful,Middeltown,for whatever reason does cater to section 8. But could it be due to the reason that Nelson states,"that certain council persons/city officials could have a vested interest ?" As we all know the reasons the government created the program as usual the unscrupulous money people stepped in and turned it into a nightmare. Seems regardless of what laws or regulations exist the unscrupulous money people find a way around it all. Again I stick to what I said earlier,strict regulations,background checks & disclosure laws may help.
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 11:55am

Sooooo, Nelson. At the time that Gilleland, Kohler and you expressed concern about LLC owned properties not revealing info. about the owners of the Section 8 properties and the potential conflict of Council member Section 8 ownership and those same councilmembers participating in the same Section 8 program that would benefit them financially, why didn't this send Gilleland and Kohler a "red alert" that this program may not be the best way to go for the sake of the city? Did they even make an attempt to stop this conflict of interest and report it to the proper authorities? Was this concern mentioned to HUD and if so, what was done about it at the time? ]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:55:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15880&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15880 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : I recallattending a meeting on... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15878&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15878 Author: Nelson R. Self
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 11:40am

I recall attending a meeting on Section 8 issues with Miss Judy and my supervisor (Marty Kohler) in early 2008 shortly after she assumed her position as City Manager here.
 
Comments were made by all three of us about the number of Section 8 rental properties that were owned by Limited Liability Corporations (LLC's).
 
We expressed dismay that LLC-owned properties concealed the identities of the actual Section 8 rental owners.
 
They had a further speculative interchange regarding rumors that a couple of City Council members could "potentially" have an ownership interest in the aforementioned LLC-owned Section 8 rental prroperties.
 
If any elected official of the City were such an owner, a HUD Conflict of Interest finding would result.
]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:40:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15878&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15878 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : Hermes as long as you have a City... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15877&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15877 Author: wasteful
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 11:20am

Hermes as long as you have a City which caters to the Section 8 program and just 4155 people, rather than the city as a whole and all of it's residents this problem will only get worse.  Tax paying residents will continue to flee the city.  Businesses will continue to close and leave.  New Businesses will not come as the poverty level will be to high to support.  No disposable income, no retail and entertainment businesses.
 
I for the life of me don't understand the City's stance on this issue and ignoring the other 48000 residents and the city overall.
]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 11:20:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15877&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15877 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : I myself think that anyone that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15876&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15876 Author: LMAO
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 10:59am

I myself think that anyone that is getting welfare or section 8 ought to be drug tested. Also they need to do suprise inspections instead of them sending out notice's that they are going to be there on a certain date.Would crack down on the people that arent suppose to be living in the section 8 housing.]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:59:56 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15876&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15876 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : I think background checks are... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15870&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15870 Author: Hermes
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 9:21am

I think background checks are an excellent idea to be a section 8 landlord. I also believe that a landlord MUST DISCLOSE how many section 8 homes they own. A set of rules or standards should be the norm for section 8 landlords,thats why you end up with the slum-lords,because no one is checking these people out.

Another thing that needs to stop,and in my opinion this is a big problem,section 8 landlords who live out of state,out of county,out of town. It should be a government requirement that they live in the city where they maintain a section 8 rental. To many of these people are sitting back and collecting checks and doing nothing about the deplorable conditions of the tenants & the house. Since they do not live in the city apparently the city lets them slide on housing codes & number of occupants.
 
And lastly,there should be a city ordinance pertaining to the NUMBER OF TIMES that the POLICE respond to a section 8 house,if the number of police responses is,lets say 5,but the police have been called to that particular residence 10 times then that landlord should evict the tenants or lose his section 8 status and the city confiscate the house.
 
The real problem is not that Middeltown has to many section 8's,the problem is mainly the absentee landlords. They live else where and do not have to look at the house or hear about it so they don't care as long as they are getting a check. And I know for a fact that many of these landlords never,ever visit the home they are renting as section 8.
 
Put a stop to sheriff sales of low priced homes,more and stricter regulations on landlords and I'll guarantee you'll see a difference. But as long as people with money continue to buy up houses at sheriff sales & the rules and regulations governing section 8 and the landlords continue to be slack you'll have a problem.]]> Thu, 21 Jan 2010 09:21:41 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15870&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15870 SECTION 8: City Staff Exaggerations ?? : While I am all for personal freedoms,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2560&PID=15864&title=section-8-city-staff-exaggerations#15864 Author: randy
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Posted: Jan 21 2010 at 7:48am

While I am all for personal freedoms, I am ok with background checks on landlords and in fact was surprised that this wasn't already happening. There are close to 500 landlords that have thrown their hat in the section 8 ring. I can name one that has some of the worse houses in Middletown and I know for a fact that he has had some troubles in the past.
 
I guess my point is this, If I landlord has been arrested for drugs in the past, he might be more willing to allow drugs in his section 8 home.
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