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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : Jag: I also try to read the workbook...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 10:37am<br /><br />Jag:<DIV>I also try to read the workbook before the meeting, and always have it open on my coputer monitor while I watch the meeting.&nbsp; The problem is that not everything in the packets is in the workbooks.&nbsp; Also, for emergency legislation, often NO information is in the workbook.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Back in '99 and the early 2000s (when I used to attend nearly every meeting), the workbook was never on line, nor were coppies available for the public at the meetings.&nbsp; At nearly every meeting I would arrive prepared to speak on one subject, but without warning, they would inevitably throw an emergency or two into the agenda at the last minute that I felt was more important to address.&nbsp; Therefore, I often had to make my comments "off the cuff"!!!</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : Wasteful:  I don&amp;#039;t think...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 10:28am<br /><br />Wasteful: <DIV>I don't think I expressed an opinion on the merits (or lack thereof) of the library levy.&nbsp; I certainly intended to address voting:&nbsp;" 'NO' on the library levy issue on February 16, <U><strong><EM><FONT color=#ff0000 size=3>SOLELY</FONT></EM></strong> due to the fact that it will come before council on an emergency basis.</U>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : I get the same &amp;#034;workbook&amp;#034;...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=484">jag123</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 8:34am<br /><br />I get the same "workbook" that council receives on the city website. I read all the legislation before Tuesday nights. I like knowing what is going on before an emergency vote.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 08:34:18 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : And Mike if you believe thatlike...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 7:45am<br /><br />And Mike if you believe that&nbsp;like any other public and private organization in this time of economic downturn the library should cut back as everyone has had to do and not raise taxes?&nbsp; Simply because it is the Library why should they not cut back as everyone has had to do?&nbsp; If that means cut&nbsp; personnel so be it, if that means cutting programs so be it. We must all do with what we have currently, the Library is no different. <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This idea of raising taxes at every turn is out of hand.&nbsp; No wonder everyone is fed up with the&nbsp;Ohio way of life, it is a constant levy for this or for that.&nbsp; Rather than raise revenues through growing the city and local economy it is bring in more poverty and raise the taxes of those that have not&nbsp;&nbsp;fled the city.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 07:45:39 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : Then again, back on the first...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 5:45am<br /><br />Then again, back on the first hand:<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Shouldn't Mr. Picard now be abstaining from both the discussion AND the vote on this issue.&nbsp; He obviously has an "interest" in this issue as he has "urged trustees to go for the 0.75-mill levy instead of a 0.7-mill version" as reported by The Middletown Journal on January 28, in his role as "liaison to the board".</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Once again this illustrates why the practice of council members serving on the various boards and commissions, in any capacity whatsoever, is an inherent CONFLICT OF INTEREST and is therefore&nbsp;ILLEGAL!!!</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:45:45 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : On the other hand:  It would...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 5:31am<br /><br />On the other hand:<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It would be smart of Mr. Smith&nbsp;or Mr. Laubach to "pick their battles," and I would urge them to do so.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The object of the "emrgency/non-emergency" protocol is to assure that BOTH the council AND the people have a chance to become informed&nbsp;about, and address their representatives on the issues at hand, yet still allow legislation to be passed in a timely manner under extraordinary circumstances.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In my opinion, it would be a mistake, <strong>both <EM>ethically</EM> and <EM>politically</EM></strong>, to vote "NO" on the library levy issue on February 16, <strong><EM><FONT color=#ff0000>SOLELY</FONT></EM></strong> due to the fact that it will come before council on an emergency basis.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This issue has been well-publicized.&nbsp; It is no secret.&nbsp; No one is trying to "sneak" it in.&nbsp; There is a "deadline" by which it must be passed in order to be submitted to the Board of Elections.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yes, I have stated that "poor planning on the part of others does NOT justify emergency action on the part of council."&nbsp; And yes, this <strong><EM>should</EM></strong> apply to the Library board.&nbsp; However, at least the <EM><strong>spirit,</strong></EM> if not the letter, of the "emergency/non-emergency" protocol has been satisfied.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There is more likely to be support when it is really needed if the "Not an emergency = NO" vote is reserved for when it is truly necessary!!!</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 05:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. :   danpicard wrote:...The two...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 4:59am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by danpicard" alt="Originally posted by danpicard" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>danpicard wrote:</strong><br /><br />...The two members who voted against the emergency <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>would have been directly responsible for this loss</strong> </FONT>and yet I didn't hear either of them <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>offer to reimburse the City for the loss which they would have caused.</FONT></strong> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Each council member <FONT color=#0000ff><strong>has a duty to the citizens of this City to do their job and to be prepared. ...</strong> <FONT color=#000000>Each member </FONT><strong>must be aware that their actions may have very serious consequences and they must be prepared.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Dan Picard</DIV></td></tr></table> Mr. Picard: Can we take it from your words highlighted in <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>red</FONT></strong> above, that <strong><EM>YOU</EM></strong> will be "<FONT color=#ff0000><strong>offer</strong><FONT color=#000000>ing</FONT><strong> to reimburse the"</strong><FONT color=#333333> taxpayers "</FONT><strong>for any losses caused" </strong><FONT color=#000000>by</FONT><strong> </strong></FONT><FONT color=#000000>any </FONT>of <strong><EM>YOUR </EM></strong>votes during your term on council???&nbsp; If so, that is very kind of you!!!&nbsp; Please allow me to be the first to thank you.&nbsp; If not, please do not require of your colleagues that which you, yourself,&nbsp;are not willing to offer. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In fact, if the library passes a 0.75 mill levy, as you<strong> "URGED"</strong>&nbsp;(according to <EM>The Journal</EM>) instead of the 0.70 mill levy that they wanted, will you be offering to reimburse the citizenry for the additional $215,300+ per year in taxes&nbsp;which <strong><EM>you <FONT color=#000000>alone, in your role as a council member</FONT></EM></strong>,&nbsp;will have caused?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Next, regarding your words above highlighted in<strong><FONT color=#0000ff> </FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>blue</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff>:</FONT></strong>&nbsp; May I remind you that each member of the City staff also <FONT color=#0000ff><strong>"has a duty to the citizens of this City to do their job and to be prepared."&nbsp; </strong></FONT><FONT color=#000000>And that each member of staff&nbsp;"</FONT><FONT color=#0000ff><strong>must be aware that their actions may have very serious consequences and they must prepare"</strong> </FONT><FONT color=#000000>necessary reports, legislation, and resolutions in a timely manner (unless they are true emergencies) in order for council to consider and vote upon them in a non-emergency manner.</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : when a senior staff member admits...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=429">transplant</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;29&nbsp;2010 at 6:08pm<br /><br />when a senior staff member admits at a commission meeting that there will be no impact to the city if the legislation is not an emergency and it passes as an emergency anyway = a big trust issue.&nbsp; if staff/commission want to propose a charter change, that's fine but if not, lets keep emergency legislation to actual emergencies!]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 18:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : A couple of months after Ginger...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;29&nbsp;2010 at 5:05pm<br /><br /><strong><FONT size=2>A couple of months after Ginger Smith had reluctantly transferred to be the&nbsp;Community Revitalization Director, I was told by Kyle Fuchs that the City had sold one of the few rehabilitated FHA Dollar Homes on Logan.&nbsp; He also noted that the buyer was not "bank qualified" and that the City would carry a 20-year mortgage.&nbsp;&nbsp; This matter was reported by me last Spring and never one word was ever asked by the City Council.&nbsp; As my Ward 3 CIty Councilman, how does this HUD-funded matter strike you?&nbsp; Should the City be in the residential lending business?</FONT></strong>]]>
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   <title>Is It Just Me.. : Is the city also providing the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=314">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2603<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jan&nbsp;29&nbsp;2010 at 4:54pm<br /><br />Is the city also providing the financing for this property as well?<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>The sad part is no one believes that everything that shows up as emergency should fall into that category.&nbsp; It has been abused.&nbsp; Council has lost respect from many people for this reason.&nbsp; The Schivione incident put the icing on the cake.&nbsp; You have to get us to start believing in this system.&nbsp; Take a step back on this and ask yourself - will there be an effect to the city if we do not make the decision today.&nbsp; If the answer is no - then it is not an emergency.<DIV>If my kids are sick - I do not call 911, I call there doctor.&nbsp; If it is life or death I call 911.&nbsp; But if everyone called 911 when they had a headache - then no one would get the help they needed.&nbsp; Right now the council is making everything urgent - and we are not getting any better.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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