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   <title>good for middletown : Mr. Self, it would be inappropriate...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 12:22pm<br /><br />Mr. Self, it would be inappropriate to make any recommendations to you, as I have absolutely no knowledge of any facts, and a faint understanding associated with the circumstances you have spoken. Therefore, it is you which must choose your course of action as spider indicated. If you feel you were retaliated, then you should do what you think is appropriate. I simply don't know what your are allegations to be.&nbsp;I suggest martindale.com., go to labor or litigation attormeys, and then put in either Dayton or Cincinnati. I know for labor matters/histle blower---Freking and Best (Randy Freking) is the best in Ohio, Cincinnati. Your facts are your facts, your potential case your case, but the abundance of information you provide while insightful, I don't believe to be advancing your situation. At least John Edwards aid will make a few $ Mm off his book deal and taking the fall for him. I wish you well in your decision and what is right based upon the facts you have.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>good for middletown : Thanks so much and please send...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 10:19am<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>Thanks so much and please send me the list of attorneys who might handle such a legal matter on a contingency basis.</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Last May, thanks to the assistance&nbsp;of Paul Nagy,&nbsp;a Cincinnati-based attorney was found.&nbsp;&nbsp;I spent $1,000 for the initial investigation.&nbsp; </strong></FONT><FONT size=2><strong>Three months later I was advised that I'd need to pay $8,000+ more if he were to pursue this legal matter.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong></strong></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Sad to say, only two&nbsp;members of the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee were willing to speak on my behalf.&nbsp;&nbsp;One key Committee member informed me that a very, very high-ranking City staff member had contacted their spouse's boss and that his/her job could be affected.&nbsp; Another member of the Committee, someone who once advocated requesting a HUD audit, developed amnesia and his since been rewarded politically for his indifference to me.&nbsp; Then,&nbsp;there were three City Council members who were told much about HUD mess.&nbsp; Despite their original assurances, they all turned their respective backs on me. And last, there were Community Development Division who were well aware of the problem projects and mismanagement of funds.&nbsp; They had a gag order placed on them by senior City staff.&nbsp; In particular, Now former City employee Skip Batten provided me, the&nbsp;Consolidated Planning Committee and the Three City Council Amigos with written proof of these matters.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>So much for the past.&nbsp; It is possible to change the direction of policies and programs to bring about positive change.&nbsp; I do wish the best for&nbsp;Middletown and all of its'</FONT></strong>&nbsp;<strong><FONT size=2>citizens.</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 10:19:10 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>good for middletown : Mr.Self--from the little bit that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 9:34am<br /><br />Mr.Self--from the little bit that I know you, it seems as if you are a sensible intelligent likeable and clearly expressive person. The data/info that you have posted has been eye-opening and informative to everyone, while not being refuted by anyone. Unfortunately no one other than yourself can bring that knowledge/documentation forward in a way that could be presented for investigation/confrontation and correction of the situation(s).<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Intimidation&nbsp;can be&nbsp;real and imagined. Seems we have seen both just from reading this forum. Seems that you have the facts on your side, which is one extremely powerful ally. Don't know your medical/mental/legal status with everyone, however if the situation allows, it HAS to be YOU who brings these issues forward in another forum, being the MJ, TVM televised forums(what about the up-coming town hall ward 1 meeting?). If you are up to the presentation(which could be organized into several consecutive presentations), I would think that the crowd would be full of support for any positive effort to bring corrective action to our city situation.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The landscape downtown IS changing, and WILL continue to change in a positive direction. Our new Councilmembers are showing signs of becoming more determined instead of backing down, and may well be joined by a couple of existing Councilmembers, leaving a weakened minority representing the old way.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The tide is beginning to tur, my online friends, and don't be surprised if a few KEY Admin faces begin to support the new way of thinking. Don't give up or slow down. Ramp it up as best you can, being creatively positive and innovative with ideas for change/solutions.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The citizens of this city WILL prevail with sensibility and constructive thinking.</DIV><DIV>It will be strong like the wind and water--nothing can stop the flow.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Feb 2010 09:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>good for middletown : Mr. Self, I suggested if you feel...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 8:04am<br /><br />Mr. Self, I suggested if you feel illegal activity has taken place, inform the proper autorities. If you feel the environment caused your stress, litigate, as there are many good contingency attorneys around. As for the information, and promises, you are one of many that has been mishandled and abused by the city and council giving lip service to issues before backing down. The first two courses of action have teeth, the writing about HUD and failures may be cathartic for you, but no one at city hall really cares. That's my point. There is no reason to leave Middletown because of those who recruited you and then made your life apparently quite difficult. But, why continue to be on the sidelines watching te trainwreck and the constant whines of levies and poverty---the damage has been done, the concrete is setting.&nbsp;I have lived in many enormously fine cities, by far, Middletown is the worse. Surrounding residents in other cities know this, you might as well also.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>good for middletown : Greatadvice, Acclaro! Glad to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 7:04am<br /><br /><P><strong><FONT size=2>Great&nbsp;advice, Acclaro!&nbsp; Glad to know there's another insightful&nbsp;soul in additon to&nbsp;Miss Vivian, Mike Presta, Viet Vet, Wasteful,&nbsp;etc. who encourage&nbsp;me to move on and start life anew elsewhere.&nbsp; Thank you!</FONT></strong></P><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>If anything,&nbsp;I've tried to provide an inside view of the goings-on at One Donham Plaza plus release&nbsp;volumes of documented evidence on the arrogrance/incompetence of some past and present City staff.&nbsp; Sadly, their legacy is (and will be)&nbsp;mismanagement plus waste&nbsp;of large sums of&nbsp;HUD funds over this past decade.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>It's up to MiddletownUSA participants and other rightully concerned citizens to use these and other disturbing facts&nbsp;(hopefully) in helping to bring this once-prosperous City back to a reasonable level of prosperity!</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <title>good for middletown : Hey Vet, I suggest we keep this...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 12:17am<br /><br />Hey Vet, I suggest we keep this real simple, instead of a tit for tat on how much Mulligan and becker got from AK and The Atrium (about $50 Kk), vs AJ Smith from Obama and others. That is a moot point and has not bearing on the topic at hand. You took the initiative: lets see if the two young men respond, get a funds dedicated to the infrastructure fund, or continue to let $ millions be wasted elsewhere. If they do nothing, then they have their priorities horribly wrong and we all know council is incapable of making the most rudimentary of decisions.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So, Vet what's the next priority? Again, don't put your faith in investing in time to develop and replae council. Some argued months ago certain members should be removed as well as employees, Mr. Kohler comes to mind. I recall Mr. Mulligan basically stating go pound sand, "ain't happening on my watch."&nbsp;So why waste the time?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Should some be removed for unethical dealing? I don't think that would yield anything do you, and there would be no basis for it.&nbsp; Therefore, what priorities can be altered? Well, you'd say section 8. I'd argue by contract and obligation accordibgly, little can be done to impact numbers. And is that really a core function of city hall, I think not, and acknowledged as such by city council at their retreat.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Now lets talk public safety. Apparently, money allocated for safety and employees was spent elsewhere---is that a correct assumption? If so, how is that investigated, and should it be? Probably so.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Infrastructure. Well, if the golden boys on council due their due diligence the ordinance will be changed back 20 years, or we'll know other motives serve council's agenda than common sense actions.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Should the tax levy be defeated in a few years, rolled back to 1.75? No doubt in my mind, what is anyone getting now? Not much service which city hall assures all is aware. And the school levy, should it be renewed? Debateable, and probably no, asI doubt&nbsp;anyone could point to anything that the levy would bring about possitively in increasing resident interest or property values. All the realtors of course, will cry how the city will plunge, but it couldn't&nbsp;get any worse, any thinking mind would agree on that.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As for organization, I think it begins with what objectives are laid forth. Don't harness people for the sake of harness, set some basic objectives. Form a concensus&nbsp;most functions non essential will be outsourced. How about the golf course---would that attract a few thousand voters? Probably. Roll back the tax---another no brainer, there's 7,000 votes there.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What's missing? Streets? Potholes? Dog playgrounds? $50kk- $100 KK on consultants that have contributed noting? Pick 3-4 top of mind issues, and you;ll ave 10,000 strong that will drwarf MMF.&nbsp;Then, taking back the city begins. During the good days you refer, Armco made that happen. Today, its all man and woman for themselve. This is a start and it bypasses city council and government who will never be on board or think of the big picture. They care about survival to retirement, not what Middletown becomes in 10 years. Recall the selling point on the 2.25% levey was paving streets in two generations. In six months, the ship begins to raise, and begin its descent to the depths of the sea.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>A memo to Nelson Self: Mr. Self, no one in the city of Middletown is worth nor has the ability to ruin one's life in spite of their efforts. Tey aren't wort the time. But them behind you. If you have claims, file them, Otherwise, do some HUD consultanting and realize you moed into a mess which has been around for years. Its not worth impacting your health further to seek the truth when those wo should seek it, and incabale of confronting it, and won't. You could write a dissertation, have it published, but it will not alter the mindset of those you work. They care about one thing---survival. Forward thinking, doing what's right, being fair and equitable to all, is simply the least of their collective concerns. You see, they think they know, more tan you, I, and 49700 residents.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>good for middletown :   VietVet wrote: &amp;#034;Also,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=143">Marianne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 12:25pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br />"Also, you seem to be ascribing agency (explain your meaning of the word- agency)  and intentionality (is that a real word?) where I don't think it's warranted". What???? Please talk in layman's English for us mere mortals. Anyone can use a Roget's.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Vet, you're arguing that individuals in the community a. have the ability to do something, and b. are willfully doing something.  <br /><br />I don't use a thesaurus for my posts.  <br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />You don't see the claim that some people in this city are trying to destroy it? Trust me, Marianne, when you have experienced the climate of this town in the good times, as I have, and compare it with the condition it is in now, you would come to the conclusion that the town is being destroyed. Were you around here in the 50's and 60's? If not, you wouldn't be able to understand my comparison.</td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry, I don't buy the "If you haven't lived here for 50 years, you don't understand" argument.  No, I haven't lived here for 50 years, but I really don't believe a small group of individuals is actively trying to "destroy" the town.  Would make for a good Stephen King novel, perhaps (Middletown as The Dome?).  <br /><br />Honestly, that thinking - ascribing the current situation in Middletown to a rogue group of wealthy insiders with ill-will for the rest of us ordinary folks - seems to simply a complex problem.  Good for blogs, not good for real change.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by VietVet" alt="Originally posted by VietVet" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>VietVet wrote:</strong><br /><br />Marianne.... the people who organized, were elected and enacted an agenda needed to do so to target a small percentage of targeted voters in their corner of the town to get elected. You don't need large numbers to get elected in this town due to apathy in the voting process with Midd. citizens. IMO, it would be much harder to organize the much larger community-wide voter block needed to outnumber the "club" candidate votes. To defeat the entire "club" sponsored candidates, one would need to register (and assure they went to the polls), a sizable group of eligible city residents. I don't believe that you could motivate the number of people in this town to vote the "regulars" out of office due to the apathy. Another important aspect to consider is that if they are sponsored by the MMF'ers, they are set up with the signs, the pamphlet printing and distribution, the financing, and the networking to support their campaigns, whereas the candidates outside the MMF network must struggle to match them. No conspiracy nor mysticism here. This scenario actually occurs each election.</td></tr></table> <br /><br />Vet, I agree with you here: if you want to have someone elected through The Ward system, you need only get a small percentage of people to the polls.  If anything, it seems like that fact would make it easier for you and people who share your views to organize, get out the vote, and get someone elected who represents your perspective. <br /><br />Look at the spending in the last election.  Divide the amount raised/spent by the number of votes earned.  I believe that AJ Smith's campaign probably spent the most "per vote". (I'd need to check my math though, so I apologize if I have this wrong).&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Are you including his campaign in your MMFer category?  I wouldn't think so. <br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>good for middletown : Joshua, A.J., Viet Vet, Mike,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 10:45am<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>Joshua, A.J., Viet Vet, Mike, Pacman, Miss Vivian, Wasteful, Hermes, Etc. -</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Did you know that the City of Middletown established&nbsp;a&nbsp;HUD Housing Rehabilitation Revolving Loan Fund (HRRLF)&nbsp;a couple of decades ago?</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>When I left City employment one year ago the HRLLF had a little over $1,500,000 in performing loans in the portfolio.&nbsp; And, there was over $500,000 in cash.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>According to former City employee Skip Batten, about $500,000 in non-performing HRRLF loans were written off in 2002 or 2003 by John Lyons and Marty Kohler,&nbsp; Additionally, $300,000 of additional non-performing HRRLF loans were written off in the fall of 2006 by Mr. Batten and Pam Banks.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>When I assumed my former position with the City there were a number of problems to be addressed.&nbsp; There was&nbsp;the "FHA Dollar Homes" fiasco, the still unfinished Maple Park New Housing Development, the unproductive Down Payment/Closing Cost Assistance Program handled by&nbsp;a non-profit&nbsp;vendor prior to 2007, etc.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>In 2008 a loan servicing/collection policy was established by me&nbsp;to stop the financial bleeding of the HRRLF.&nbsp;Non-existent&nbsp;Housing Rehabilitation Program Guidelines &amp; Procedures were developed by me plus the now-defunct HUD Consolidated Planning Committee and distributed to senior City staff plus City Council Housing Sub-Committee members in June of 2008.&nbsp; Sadly, they were not acted upon as of the date of my departure.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>So much HUD money has been lost and squandered over the years.&nbsp; Sadly, mismanagement and waste doesn't seem to evoke much of any outcry from very many Middletonians?&nbsp; And, those past and present City staff have never been held accountable.&nbsp; That doesn't speak well for Middletown in my humble opinion!</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>good for middletown : acclaro- You are right. THIS council/school...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 9:57am<br /><br />acclaro- You are right. THIS council/school board are not the answer nor solution. Question.... policies, ordinances, procedures, laws, levies, job creation, school policies, school levies, superintendent hirings Section 8 levels, whatever you wish to discuss, comes from either the Council, the School Board, the city manager, the law director, the Planning Director, the Econ. Dev. Director or someone in the city building. My contention is...... if you replace the current "wrong path" (ie- who the citizens are angry with and want replaced) people on Council and the School Board and replace them with the "correct path" (ie- people who are more "in-line" with the people's wishes, who have the prosperity of the town as their agenda and who will start making competent decisions concerning this town) it will be a starting point (not the total solution) on making this a better place. Through the new stock of council/school board, we need to request that they remove some people in the city building starting with the city manager and we remove some on the school board and replace with active people. If you don't change the people and the current mentality, it doesn't have a prayers chance in he-- of changing. Why can't we have constructive solutions as you call them if we get the right combination of people in Council/School Board? The people are too apathetic to demand a change. We few that care enough to follow the town leader's antics are going to have to overcome the beast that feeds this city with poor leadership. We will have to encourage people with the correct ideas and direction to run and will have to outnumber the beast's candidates at the polls. Hard task. <br /><br />Alright.... let's push back on some long festering issues. AJ/Josh (Anita?), please check for us, what happened in the 80's when the city said they needed money for the general fund and ask us voters to ok taking the money from the street fund and place it in the general fund. Find out why the voter was never asked by city hall to put the money back in the street fund and why it remains in the general fund today. If still in the general fund, could you two start the precedings to place before the voters a ballot to vote to put it back in the street fund after more than 20 years? Any other monies that were diverted over the years and were never replaced Mike? AJ/ Josh- how about sitting down with Russ Carolus and have him explain to you all the money manipulations over the years with all the funds, paying special attention to all the funds that are feeding the GENERAL FUND.... ie the black hole where monies from dedicated funds (street repairs) go to get lost and become unaccounted for. Can you tell them about the general fund Mike? ]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2624<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 9:57pm<br /><br />Vet, if you'll indulge me, I think there is a circuitous circle that continues constantly, an infiinity circle, that never ends, that never accomplishes. I mean that in no disrespect, and perhaps you are correct as am I, that the apathy is so overwheming in Middletown no one cares, or its filled with such a high population of aging population, why rock the boat.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>City council and the school board are not the answer nor solution. They never have been.&nbsp;As&nbsp;others stated, the wisdom which came from the&nbsp;council at the recent retreat was&nbsp;text book 101 in urban development, aka, public safety, infrastructure. Stating the obvious is an overstatement.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What about someone pushing the ordinance back...question and request &nbsp;to the young bucks&nbsp;whom are new to council, the one that's allowed funds to be diverted 20 years? That would seem to be a no brainer to&nbsp;most, but it never progresses, never is mentioned. Of all considerations, that is one that is deserving of emergency legislation.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Why is the city spending money dedicated to safety elsewhere? Who cares if 4 positions aren't filled, if it is not impacting safety. The .25% increase was never about safety, but about protecting an income stream, it slowed the hemorrage from AK executive management bolting.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Economic development and the Master Plan?&nbsp;Neither exist or are pursued. Neyer leads the way on development with a wrecking ball runnig a close #2. The master plan is just works of aspiration at such a high level it wouldn't pass in an intro 101 marketing&nbsp;class at MUM.&nbsp; There are problems, and there are solutions. What is visible is the enormity of the problems, What is lacking are constructive solutions. They won't come from city hall. They won't come from city council. They won't come from the school board. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Oh well, in another 3 months, the Bash kicks off, and we all can get drunk listening to the&nbsp;entertainment and&nbsp;at least for a day, have some relief from the nightmare of being trapped in this city. If anyone has a good exit strategy, please contact me immediately..&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;. &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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