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   <title>Council retreats and goals : MikeHaven&#226;&#8364;&#8482;t you been paying...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;08&nbsp;2010 at 9:21am<br /><br /><P style="MARGIN: 5pt 0.75pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-ansi-: EN"><FONT size=3>Mike<BR>Haven’t you been paying attention? <BR>City Council clearly stated that "they were asleep at the wheel".<BR>Doesn’t that answer all the question that you might have about Section 8 over the past 10 years? <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></FONT></SPAN></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN lang=EN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'; mso-ansi-: EN"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></P><P><BR><BR>&nbsp;</P>]]>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals :   Bill wrote:Pac,  I agree with...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 8:15am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Bill" alt="Originally posted by Bill" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Bill wrote:</strong><br /><br />Pac, <DIV>I agree with you..we all agree.&nbsp; What I'm asking for is <FONT color=#ff0000><strong>what&nbsp;possible&nbsp;legitimate reason</strong> </FONT>could there&nbsp;be for continuing status quo, <strong><FONT color=#ff0000>other than administration fees</FONT></strong>.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm just looking to try to view this problem from the city and council's&nbsp;side, just for sh*ts and giggles.</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Bill there is no legitimate reason to destroy a city in this manner, for Administrative fees.&nbsp; Not one other city in Ohio has done what Middletown has and continues to do as far as Section 8 is concerned.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals : Middletown Journal  March 12,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=434">Nelson R. Self</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 10:53pm<br /><br /><FONT color=#0000ff size=3><EM><strong>Middletown Journal</strong></EM></FONT> <DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=3><strong>March 12, 2009</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>by Eddie Richter</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><P><strong><FONT size=2>Doug Adkins, interim community revitalization director, said a firm plan with a clear criteria on demolition should be ready <FONT color=#ff0000>within 90 days</FONT>.</FONT></strong></P><P><strong><FONT size=2>"This will be data-driven, <FONT color=#ff0000>not by wards</FONT>, to where things aren't good at all," he said. "We want the best plan for the city of Middletown."</P><DIV></DIV>Doug, we are still waiting for your data-driven demoliton&nbsp;<FONT color=#ff0000>"firm plan."</FONT></FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 10:11pm<br /><br />Perhaps the fault is mine for not taking the time to explain in a manner that could be clearly understood??? <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>From my 12:46 pm post (the originaal post in this thread):</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><DIV><FONT size=2>Section 8??? Sorry, folks!!! We can sit here until the cows come home and <I>CALL</I> it a “top priority”, but <FONT color=#ff0000>until we investigate <B>how</B> and <B>why </B>it “went wrong”, <B><I>NOTHING is going to change</B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000>!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, <B><I>HOW CAN WE FIX IT???</B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000> </FONT>After all, haven’t we already resolved to “reduce vouchers by at least 10% per year with no result??? After all, haven’t we already heard that: <B><I>“There is no compelling reason to change!” … </B></FONT></I><FONT size=2>not even spending an <B><I>extra ONE HALF MILLION DOLLARS!!! </B></FONT></I><FONT size=2>Besides, we have our Middletown Public Housing Authority overseeing the program now, with City Council watching over them!!! <B><I>What could possibly go wrong with a set-up like that???</I></B></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV><strong><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>If it was&nbsp;"good ol' boys, inside profiteers, secret societies, and seances at Kohler's house"; or if it was something in the water, a mind control trick by the Bilderbergs, a communist plot, George W. Bush or Barack Obama; or if it was a result of past Bengals' drafts, the Reds' farm program, the lack of a local hockey program, a glitch in&nbsp;Title IX sports legislation,&nbsp;or the demise of the Cincinnati Royals; or if it was acid rain, global cooling, global warming, greenhouse gasses or iron-poor blood; or if it was the Catholics, the Jews, the Muslims, the Hindus, or the Baptists;&nbsp;or if it was a favor for a friend, an improperly supervised city employee, an overworked supervisor, a rogue employee or a bad contractor;&nbsp; or if it was a misdemeanor, a felony, misfeasance, malfeasance, non-feasance, or a simple mistake...no matter WHAT it was...<FONT color=#ff0000>until we investigate <B>how</B> and <B>why </B>it “went wrong”, <B><I>NOTHING is going to change</B></FONT></I><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000>!!! If we do NOT know what is the matter, <B><I>HOW CAN WE FIX IT???</B></FONT></FONT></I><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000>&nbsp;<FONT color=#000000> </FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#000000></FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><FONT size=2><FONT color=#ff0000><FONT color=#000000>Just as&nbsp;importantly, how will we stop it from happening </FONT></FONT><FONT color=#000000>again??? </FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>And it ought to be apparent to everyone by now, that we do <strong><EM>NOT know WHAT it was, nor HOW&nbsp; nor WHY it "went wrong"!!!&nbsp; So how, pray tell, can we fix it???</EM></strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><EM><FONT size=2></FONT></EM></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2>Anyone???</FONT></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 22:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals : Pac,  I agree with you..we all...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 8:09pm<br /><br />Pac, <DIV>I agree with you..we all agree.&nbsp; What I'm asking for is what&nbsp;possible&nbsp;legitimate reason could there&nbsp;be for continuing status quo, other than administration fees.&nbsp;&nbsp;I'm just looking to try to view this problem from the city and council's&nbsp;side, just for sh*ts and giggles.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 20:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals : So your premise Bill is to continue...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 6:59pm<br /><br />So your premise Bill is to continue on with excessive Section 8, a high poverty rate, poor schools, rising crime and hope that 5 Industrial Businesses are going to come in here and hire say 400 people&nbsp;each and bring our unemployment rate down to about 4.3% with high paying jobs and benefits. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So playing devils advocate:</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Where are you going to find these 5 businesses?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Where are you going to put these plants?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>How many tax breaks and special deals are we going to have to give?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Why would these industries move to Middletown when there are far more fertile grounds close by?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>When looking at the issues that Middletown faces you will attract the Tech jobs along I-75 but most of those people will live elsewhere along I-75 not in Middletown.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Bill all of the main issues lead to one single issue in Middletown a socioeconomic imbalance.&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>High Poverty</DIV><DIV>Excessive Section 8</DIV><DIV>Poor performing schools</DIV><DIV>Crime</DIV><DIV>Retail and Service businesses closing or leaving town.</DIV><DIV>A city which spends an inordinate amount of time and money dealing with the above &nbsp;issues while the rest of the city suffers.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Bill you have to take a stand and make some hard decisions and move forward.&nbsp; Are the problems going to go away in the blink of an eye no, but if you do not start somewhere and take the steps needed to bring back the Middle Class to Middletown, this city is doomed and you might as well tear down the signs now and bury it, as we are all just wasting our money, time and effort on a City that will never survive by just sitting and hoping something is going to come along.&nbsp; If you don't change your ways you are destine for&nbsp;continued failure.&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals : Putting aside all the accusations...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 6:42pm<br /><br /><P>Putting aside all the accusations of good ol' boys, inside profiteers, secret societies, and seances at Kohler's house, what are some legitimate reasons for maintaining the Section 8 status&nbsp;quol?&nbsp;Just playing devil's advocate. &nbsp;I started wondering if one thought is what good is it to run a few hundred Section 8&nbsp;folks out of town -- where are we then?&nbsp;You would still have an overabundance of poor housing stock, still have low income renters taking their place, etc.&nbsp; Without jobs and other reasons for people of middle income and up to move here, are we left in the same place?&nbsp; Could it be a legimate thought that a drastic reduction in Section 8 will do nothing to improve the town and the City might as well work on getting some industries in here and worry about Section later?&nbsp; <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 6:41pm<br /><br /><P ="articleline"><FONT size=4>Does Section 8 help or hurt city?</FONT></P><H2 ="articleSubline">In the past 10 years, residents using the program have more than doubled.</H2><DIV id=cxArticleText><SPAN ="credit"><SPAN ="credit">By Ed Richter, Staff Writer </SPAN></SPAN><DIV id=cxArticleText><SPAN ="publishdate">1:02 AM Sunday, July 19, 2009 </SPAN><P><P>MIDDLETOWN — While the term “Section 8” may evoke different ideas in the minds of Middletonians, it is a public program meant to provide rent subsidies for low- to moderate-income families to live in safe, decent and clean housing.</P><P>Its roots date back to the federal laws enacted during the Great Depression, and now Section 8 also includes programs that provide housing assistance to the elderly and disabled in public and private complexes and rental houses.</P><P>Jim Cunningham of the Cincinnati office of the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, said the “tenant-based program allows people to rent on the open market. The tenant pays 30 to 40 percent of the rent.”</P><P>Cunningham said tenants pay their portion to the landlord while the housing authority pays the difference in the rent for units that must meet HUD housing quality standards.</P><P>According to HUD regulations, there is no limit on how long a person may keep a voucher, so long as the income limits — no more than 50 percent of the median income for the county or city — are not exceeded.</P><P>Also, the vouchers are portable and can be used anywhere in the United States.</P><P>HUD spends more than $16.8 billion annually on the housing choice program that nationally assists more than 1.4 million households.</P><P><B>Growth of Section 8</B></P><P>The 1,662 housing choice vouchers assigned to the Middletown Public Housing Authority represent about 7 percent of the city’s households.</P><P>As of Wednesday, July 15, there were 1,576 active vouchers in use, according to the city’s Community Revitalization Department.</P><P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4><strong><U>While it has been proposed to reduce the number of vouchers to about 800 through attrition, Middletown City Council has not moved forward with the proposal.</U></strong></FONT></P><P>“I believe that the Section 8 program is a good program that benefits people in need,” said City Manager Judy Gilleland. “We need to ensure that Middletown residents have access to affordable housing, and Section 8 vouchers help to that end.”</P><P>Middletown, along with Parma, are the only two municipally run public housing agencies in Ohio. Throughout the rest of the state, public housing is overseen by county or multicounty housing authorities.</P><P><B>Lucrative leases</B></P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>In its 2009 budget, the city projected to receive more than $11.75 million in federal funding for the Section 8 voucher program.</FONT></strong></P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>The number of vouchers in Middletown has more than doubled from 767 in 2000 to 1,662 in 2009. In federal funding, that has grown from $2.47 million in 2000 that is pumped into the city’s economy.</FONT></strong></P><P><FONT color=#ff0000><strong>The program is big business for local landlords, with some owning as many as 20 to more than 40 rental units.</strong></FONT></P><P><B>Housing ‘imbalance’</B></P><P>In 2008, Gilleland proposed transferring the 30-year-old program to the Butler Metropolitan Housing Authority because the city was not equipped to administer the complex program.</P><P><FONT color=#ff0000><strong>She also cited the imbalance of Section 8 housing vouchers in Middletown compared to Butler County, which has just under 1,000.</strong></FONT></P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Middletown holds more than 50 percent of the housing choice vouchers in Butler County, yet the city only represents about 15 percent of the county’s population. The city’s poverty rate also nearly doubled the past eight years from 12 to 22 percent.</FONT></strong></P><P>She said the city in the past acquired vouchers “without a conscious conversation with Council.”</P><P><FONT color=#ff0000><strong>City staff in 2000, 2001, 2002 and 2003 wrote letters of support in applications seeking an additional 790 vouchers. The applications were prepared by CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus, which has managed the program for the past 19 years. Council gave its approval as part of its annual consolidated plan sent to HUD.</strong></FONT></P><P>Although City Council capped the number of vouchers at 1,554, HUD also converted 108 site-based units to the housing choice program, which increased the total to its current level at 1,662 vouchers.</P><P><B>Addressing issues</B></P><P>“The city of Middletown has experienced issues with Section 8 housing,” Gilleland said. “The city wasn’t doing its due diligence with housing inspections and criminal activity among the residents of Section 8 residents.”</P><P>In May, City Council ratified a new three-year contract with CONSOC, and both are now working on updating the administrative plan and policies to ensure there is quality housing and to curtail criminal activity, Gilleland said. Some tenants involved in criminal activity already have lost vouchers.</P><P>“We’ve tightened up the provisions ... and we’re confident that there will be major improvements in the Section 8 program in the very near future,” she said. “In fact, we’ve seen some positive changes already.”</P><P></P></DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 5:50pm<br /><br /><H2><a href="/o/c&#111;ntent/shared-gen/blogs/dayt&#111;n/middletownnews/entries/2009/03/09/secti&#111;n_8_negotiati&#111;ns_proceed.html" target="_blank"><U><FONT size=5>Section 8 negotiations proceeding</FONT></U></A></H2><P =byline>By <a href="&amp;#9;/o/c&#111;ntent/shared-gen/blogs/dayt&#111;n/middletownnews/entries/2009/03/09/secti&#111;n_8_negotiati&#111;ns_proceed.html#postcomment" target="_blank"><U>Ed Richter </U></A>| Monday, March 9, 2009, 12:15 PM </P><P>Middletown city officials are continuing its contract negotiations with CONSOC Housing Consultants of Columbus who was selected to continue as the Section 8 housing choice vouchers administrator.</P><P>In her weekly update to City Council, City Manager Judy Gilleland said the city has ” been making very good progress with CONSOC on the new contract. We have agreement on most of the procedural items; we are still negotiating the CONSOC fee.”</P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Gilleland said her “intention was to have a fixed fee for the contract thus not providing an incentive for CONSOC to increase the number of vouchers. After conversations with CONSOC, we are willing to consider a fee based upon the number of vouchers.</FONT></strong></P><A name=jump></A><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>While the city is willing to consider a fee based on the number of vouchers, Gilleland said the city is also including language in the proposed contract to reduce the number of vouchers by 10 percent a year until there is a total of 800 vouchers from the current 1,662 vouchers.</FONT></strong></P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Gilleland said, “the reduction would only be through attrition - as voucher holders left the program, their voucher would be given back to HUD (the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development).”</FONT></strong></P><P><strong><FONT color=#ff0000>She said HUD could reassign those vouchers to Butler or Warren County, but also said the city is more concerned about ensuring our program is under control. While this language of intent to reduce is included in the contract, Council will need to also discuss as the Housing Authority while reviewing the Administrative Plan, she said.</FONT></strong></P><P>So what do you think? Do you think this is the best way to reduce the number of Section 8 housing choice vouchers? If not, how would you resolve this issue?</P>]]>
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   <title>Council retreats and goals : Last sentence of the article....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2645<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Feb&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 5:07pm<br /><br />Last sentence of the article. " So we invite Forbes to come and take a look at our town in a few years. We think they'll find a different Middletown than the one this week's list predicts". <br /><br />This was written and the prediction was made December 13, 2008. It is now February 6, 2010. In 9 months, it will have been a "few years". <br /><br />Do you think anything will have changed by December 2010, with Section 8, it's voucher numbers or the town as a whole for that matter for Forbes not to repeat the statement that Middletown is one of the  fastest dying cities?<br /><br />No new jobs to make a difference. No new residents moving in. Businesses leaving. Section 8 still way above the targeted 800 and way more than the 1000 for the rest of Butler County. Council not making an effort to reduce it. Still going with the lower income theme. Folks looking for a reason to leave. It ain't a pretty scene.<br /><br />No..... no new improvements here. ]]>
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