Middletown Forum : City Council Agenda For Tuesday http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : City Council Agenda For Tuesday Wed, 07 Oct 2026 07:05:42 +0000 Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:34:46 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=2741 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Mike_Presta wrote: So…as... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17317&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17317 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 11 2010 at 1:34pm

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

So…as explained during tonight‘s council meeting:

$500,000+ gets transferred FROM the General Fund INTO the Auto & Gas Tax Fund, to cover the costs of mowing parks and other areas outside of road or street right-of-ways (ROWs). This is done to save the cash-strapped General Fund some money. Then $345,000 is paid OUT OF the Auto & Gas Tax Fund to mow ALL of the grass. Can anyone explain to me:

1. How this saves the General Fund money???

2. Why there is not an EXTRA $500,000 in the Auto & Gas Tax Fund for street paving (or for alley paving in historic districts)???

Anyone???

Someone should have questioned this earlier!]]> Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:34:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17317&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17317 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Mike_Presta wrote: Can anyone... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17316&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17316 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 11 2010 at 1:32pm

Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Can anyone explain why the following Resolution (R2010-05) is necessary tonight???  Exactly what does it do???  Do all council members understand this???  If not, will they vote for it anyway???
 
 
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED by the City Council of the City of Middletown,

Butler/Warren Counties, Ohio that:

Section 1

The sums are hereby appropriated from the Transit Fund of the City to accounts of the City for the purposes therein described as follows:

FROM: Unappropriated TRANSIT FUND (Fund #530)                       $446,480

TO: Accounts of 530                                                                               446,480

______________________________________________________________________________

TOTAL TRANSIT FUND                                                                  $ 446,480

Someone should have questioned this earlier!!!]]> Thu, 11 Mar 2010 13:32:29 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17316&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17316 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Ohio has the 4tf highest fuel... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17094&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17094 Author: acclaro
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 03 2010 at 2:29pm

Ohio has the 4tf highest fuel tax in the country (another reason to leave this state behind). It does appear that the funds are to be used for bridges, streets, and infrastructure. My question would be Nick, where and what evidence do you have of this violation?
 
http://www.lbo.state.oh.us/fiscal/publications/biennial/ohiofacts/NOV2006/OhiosTransportation.pdf
 
 
]]> Wed, 03 Mar 2010 14:29:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17094&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17094 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Nick- and just who would one report... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17089&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17089 Author: VietVet
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 03 2010 at 11:50am

Nick- and just who would one report this alleged misappropriation of funds by the city for the last 20+ years to? Why do you think it hasn't been reported long before now and do any of you think it would be worth the time and effort to report this? Would the agency, I assume in Columbus, be interested in hearing any of this or not? OR, is this done all the time by towns across Ohio and it ain't no big deal even though it's a violation of the law?    ]]> Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:50:52 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17089&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17089 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Also my understanding is that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17087&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17087 Author: Nick_Kidd
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 03 2010 at 11:23am

Also my understanding is that money may be added to this fund, but it still can only be used for the intended purpose. This fund can not be used as a slush fund and spent for things other than the way the state requires.]]> Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:23:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17087&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17087 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Acclaro, the Auto & GasFund... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17085&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17085 Author: Nick_Kidd
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 03 2010 at 11:09am

Acclaro, the Auto & Gas Fund was NOT part of  the 1987 change that allowed the INCOME TAX STREET FUND to be used elsewhere. The Auto & Gas Fund comes back to Middletown from the state from the license plate fees and gasoline taxes. The state requires that this money be used for three street related items. This fund is between $3 and $4 million dollars per year.
     1. Electronic (traffic signals-streets only) but this money has been used for signal at the airport and many other uses. If you remember a few years ago several signals were removed because there was no money for repairs.
      2. Street repair (where has this money gone the last 25 years)
      3. Grounds (this is for the shoulders of roads and medians only.) This money is used to mow the airport and all the parks and all other city owned property. The rest of this money just disappears.
   As you can see, misappropriation of these funds is and has been the normal from our city building for twenty + years.
]]> Wed, 03 Mar 2010 11:09:37 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17085&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17085 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : Acclaro It's time to stand... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17078&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17078 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 03 2010 at 6:03am

Acclaro

It's time to stand up & clean up these accounts in the City.
Auto & Gas Tax - should be used for street repair only.
Water & Sewer Fund - To seperate the water and sewer lines.
We can not let the City continue this money shell game.
]]> Wed, 03 Mar 2010 06:03:09 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17078&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17078 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : I understood from one poser the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17073&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17073 Author: acclaro
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 02 2010 at 10:21pm

I understood from one poser the Auto and Gas Tax Fund was to be used for street repair.
 
I can only offer the following comment: For a year I've said the city ordinance that allowed monies to be altered 21 years ago from street repair needed to be moved back into its previously dedicated status. Not one counccil person in that time, nor present, as ever mentioned such a commonsense and rudimentary action. I really don't know what the new council members are doing. To your point Mike, it would seem if the ordinance was put back in place, and the Auto and Gas Tax Fund used, if I understand it to have been stated, that;s a start to reversing 20 years of damage. Evidently, this approach must be much too complicated, as no one has acted upon it. Maybe a ? for ASJ at her meeting. 
]]> Tue, 02 Mar 2010 22:21:20 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17073&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17073 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : So…as explained during tonight‘s... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17070&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17070 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 02 2010 at 9:18pm

So…as explained during tonight‘s council meeting:

$500,000+ gets transferred FROM the General Fund INTO the Auto & Gas Tax Fund, to cover the costs of mowing parks and other areas outside of road or street right-of-ways (ROWs). This is done to save the cash-strapped General Fund some money. Then $345,000 is paid OUT OF the Auto & Gas Tax Fund to mow ALL of the grass. Can anyone explain to me:

1. How this saves the General Fund money???

2. Why there is not an EXTRA $500,000 in the Auto & Gas Tax Fund for street paving (or for alley paving in historic districts)???

Anyone???

]]> Tue, 02 Mar 2010 21:18:15 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17070&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17070 City Council Agenda For Tuesday : But it says "from the Transit... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2741&PID=17066&title=city-council-agenda-for-tuesday#17066 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 2741
Posted: Mar 02 2010 at 8:39pm

But it says "from the Transit Fund of the City [#530] to accounts of the City [account 530]" !!
 
How can one "transfer" money out of and into the same account???
 
Go to the bank and try to deposit a check into the same account from which it is drawn!!!
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