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   <title>City and Problematic properties :   acclaro wrote:The city is needing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;09&nbsp;2010 at 7:29am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by acclaro" alt="Originally posted by acclaro" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>acclaro wrote:</strong><br /><br />The city is needing to tear down many buildings which are dangerous and unsightly.</td></tr></table> I am shocked, shocked I tell you, that you would even suggest such a thing!!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Didn't you read the "Downtown Assessment Resource Team" (DART) Report???&nbsp; Allow me to quote from that report<strong>:</strong></DIV><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><DIV><FONT size=3>"<FONT face=TimesNewRoman>Tearing the old buildings down, just continues a cycle of decay. Rehabilitating –rejuvenates."</FONT></FONT></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE><DIV dir=ltr>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Marianne, I am well aware of the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;08&nbsp;2010 at 10:56am<br /><br />Marianne, I am well aware of the status of former Dean Cowan, currently on "interim assignment" as the MUM liasson to Middletown and community affairs and such.&nbsp;Isn't that akin to Animal House's "double secret probation"? &nbsp;Or does that give her a year to decide if she wants to teach microbiology or interview elsewhere?&nbsp;]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties :   acclaro wrote:associated or...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=143">Marianne</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;08&nbsp;2010 at 10:16am<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by acclaro" alt="Originally posted by acclaro" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>acclaro wrote:</strong><br /><br />associated or public service entities. Why do you think there is such an allegiance between the city and Dean Cowan, because they are in the protected public sector.</div></td></tr></table> <br />Dr. Cowan is no longer Dean, acclaro.  Dr. Jeanne Hey has been interim Dean of MUM since last year.  ]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Why would the city even consider...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 3:06pm<br /><br /><strong>Why would the city even consider down-sizing when the scam they are running works so well ? As long as the <U>DC money tree</U> keeps growing &amp; shedding those <U>free </U>dollars the city will continue to <U>pick the green fruit</U> until the tree is dead and no longer produces. You don't see the good citizens of Middeltown marching on city hall and making demands so the system keeps running.<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV>It's amazing to me that the city can pick and choose who they want to force the issue with on housing code enforcement. I always thought an ordinance applied to everyone but not in this town. The city can knock on my door and suggest/demand that I repair something but yet right across the street an absentee landlord runs what appears to be a half-way house violating every code ever written and the city doesn't say a word. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Go ahead Middeltown....make my day. <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley7.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Angry" /></DIV></strong>]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Bill if you are a small business...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 10:34am<br /><br />Bill if you are a small business and your payroll is about 54% of your gross revenues&nbsp;you are in serious&nbsp;trouble and failure&nbsp;is coming your way.&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Mr. Self, I understand your logic...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 10:09am<br /><br />Mr. Self, I understand your logic and knowledge and it is commendable what you have shared.&nbsp;I use a saying often, sometimes people can't see the forest for the trees (caught in the details, not the big picture), or can't see the trees for the forest (tactical details seen but not the big picture).<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What intelligent and organized citizens need to grasp is as follows. Middletown's main employer is 1) AKS, Atirum,&nbsp;MCSD, MUM, and the city of Middletown. Of those five entities, and there are a few smaller ones (Akers Packaging etc), three out of five&nbsp;are union associated or public service entities. Why do you think there is such an allegiance between the city and Dean Cowan, because they are in the protected public sector.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Your point is symbolic of the bigger problem, spiderjohn calls it the feeding the beast, at city hall. So while the HUD issues are real, and problematic, and obviously, monies are taken to just keep people on payroll, that is why city hall is such a problem. There is no down-sizing, no attempt to get efficient, its all those entitled people awaiting retirement and taking $100 Kk worth of vacation and overtime pay with them. Look at Bill Becker. Police Chief behind many controversail issues, taping privileged phone calls of those in jail and attorneys. Man on watch when much of section 8 spike started. Goes from mid $80 pay range thanks to his friends at city council to $102,000. for a increase in retirement. Contributions as city manager, in my opinion, few. Then gets a gig as a Warreny Cty Township interim city manager, sets him up nicely for next gig, emergency response.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This is why Middletown is doomed, and its too late to alter its course. The beast at city hall is too large. What you keep exposing is a few trees (thank you) for the forest of large ineffective local government, filled with cronyism, excuses, and feeble attempts to justify its furture direction. Don't you just love that slogan! &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Bill -   Twenty-six of my 38years...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=565">NRS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 8:06am<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>Bill -</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Twenty-six of my 38&nbsp;years of work history involve HUD-funded programs.&nbsp; The amount of capital allocated for personnel costs here <FONT color=#ff0000>exceeds</FONT> anything that I've ever seen.&nbsp; And, salary ranges/fringe benefit packages are among the very best in the country.&nbsp; So, yes, <FONT color=#ff0000>$0.50 of every dollar </FONT>is spent on staffing.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong></strong></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>Of course, this percentage rose greatly when <FONT color=#ff0000>Housing Code Enforcement </FONT>personnel were transferred five years ago from the public safety area&nbsp;and first paid with HUD funds.&nbsp; Three years ago two of three <FONT color=#ff0000>Nuisance Abatement&nbsp;</FONT>(tall weeds/grass and&nbsp;trash containment) personnel were also transferred and now paid with HUD funds.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2>Interesting??</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000 size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : is it that unusual for salaries...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 6:35am<br /><br />is it that unusual for salaries to make up over 50% of the budget?&nbsp; I think that is true for most service businesses...but is what Adkins doing a service!?&nbsp; haha.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Mar 2010 06:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : Acclaro -   At the second City...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=565">NRS</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 1:51am<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>Acclaro -</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>At the second City Council meeting last month it was Doug Adkins who presented his proposed <FONT color=#0000ff>FY 2010 CDBG budget.&nbsp;</FONT> He noted that <FONT color=#ff0000>$130,000+</FONT> was for Program Administration, <FONT color=#ff0000>$17,000 </FONT>was for Housing Rehab (program delivery -- salaries/fringe benefits), and <FONT color=#ff0000>$221,000 </FONT>was for Housing Code Enforcement (mostly program delivery -- salaries/fringe benefits).&nbsp; If you add the above totals, it comes out to <FONT color=#ff0000>more than 50% of the $685,000 </FONT>that the City will receive this year from HUD via the CDBG Program.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>To answer another question, CDBG funds plus the HOME Program as well as the Neighborhood Stabilization Program are <FONT color=#ff0000>Federal grants.</FONT>&nbsp; They are not repayable <FONT color=#ff0000>unless</FONT> the City fails to comply with HUD rules and regulations.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>In any event, all of it comes from the pockets of taxpayers.&nbsp; <FONT color=#ff0000>It is not free money.</FONT></FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <title>City and Problematic properties : The city is needing to tear down...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2770<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Mar&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 9:41pm<br /><br />The city is needing to tear down many buildings which are dangerous and unsightly. That doesn't mean I agree with the funding nor understand how it is used, although apparently Mr. Self has the figures which refelect about 1/2 of one portion went to salaries and benefits. I still don't have an answer as to who pays that money back---Middletown, state, or its just a big gift from the next generation or two?<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Middletown's problems are so deep and wide, it will be impossible to dig itself out of the whole. The first step is the cleanup, the demolishment of decay downtown and elsewhere. I truly believe the city made such a fuss over the building at the cemetary because while they have the wrecking ball, just destroy it all. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Secondly, the city thinks its going to brownfield as much as they can of downtown. They then hope they can attract business that wants to build&nbsp;or reclaim the area, but that will never happen.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As usual, the city leader shot themselves in the foot. That campaign when they said it would take &gt;50 plus years to do the streets was such a duration and lengthy period,&nbsp;no one will have serious interest in Middletown for 60-100 years. The damage has been done folks, its simply too late to save.&nbsp;Think of the oxymoron: city builds bike path, but 50 years to repair roads by its own admission. City closes city historic pool, while going bananas in naming a historic area by the hospital, and thinks it will be great for dogs. So, brownfields, a dog playground, and bike paths, compensate for an inability to repair roads until 50 years, or a half century passes!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>There was an article two days ago about Youngstown Ohio. About trying to turn the corner. The pictures were bad, but I don't think even Youngstown, one of the most deplete areas in Ohio, is as ruin down as Middletown.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Its over folks, the fat lady has sung in Middletown. Its best days are not going forward, in spite of the&nbsp;cleanup and brownfielding. Step 2 is building on the land. It won't ever happen.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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