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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : If the plan is to continue to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=452">Dooraghero</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;30&nbsp;2010 at 9:45am<br /><br />If the plan is to continue to levy ever-increasing&nbsp;taxes upon the citizens of Middletown, how is that ever going to work?&nbsp; With 45% of the housing in Middletown labeled as Section 8 and, more than likely, an even larger percentage of citizens receiving some form of government assistance, where is the money going to come from?&nbsp; Sooner or later, the tax paying public and businesses are going to seek a more friendly environment.&nbsp; The myriad of funds derived from the federal and state governments that Middletown seems to utilize in order to stay afloat and, ostensibly, create infrastructure, etc. to attract businesses to the area will one day run out.&nbsp; What then?&nbsp; Somehow, city council is going to have to rethink the role of government and dispense with the mantra heard at most council meetings that ". . . if we don't accept the money some other municipality will grab it."&nbsp;&nbsp; With high taxes and an environment that discourages investment in the city, one could have the best roads and fiber optic system in the state but they will go nowhere and serve no one.&nbsp; What are the city fathers thinking?]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy :   Hermes wrote: Did anyone see...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=190">tomahawk35</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 10:37pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Hermes" alt="Originally posted by Hermes" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Hermes wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P><strong>Did anyone see the article about Ken Dixon ? He is buying a house in <U>West Chester</U> and works in Middeltown but apperently doesn't want to live here nor have his kids go to Middeltown schools according to the article. </P><DIV>Can Middeltown get anymore pathetic ?</DIV></strong></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>Hey, Middletown had one of three requirements that he was looking for- the highway, this is really sad when the city and schools are blowing smoke up everyone's a$$.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 02 May 2010 22:37:57 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy :   Bill wrote:I&amp;#039;m not sure...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=190">tomahawk35</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 10:30pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Bill" alt="Originally posted by Bill" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Bill wrote:</strong><br /><br />I'm not sure how realistic it is to just say we should "outsource" everything.&nbsp; Should we be outsourcing legal, planning and financial decisions to a county than doesn't give two hoots about this town or to some company?&nbsp; Is that even legally possible even if we wanted to?&nbsp; I think we can do with the Health Dept and maybe others (is there an IT Dept?&nbsp; maybe them) <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>I don't think his last point is realitic either -- that we can make any dramatic changes that will significantly entice businesses to move here.&nbsp; <DIV></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>What would be different?,We already have these issues&nbsp; being handle by people that don't give a hoot about&nbsp; this town .</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : Thank you for the reply Mr. Spider....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 3:02pm<br /><br />Thank you for the reply Mr. Spider. I will consider your advice and re-read/re-think the various articles. Might come to the same conclusion, but will try to slow down and consider my replies more carefully. Clear enough? 10/4 Still think that you indicate a "waffling" on certain subjects though. ]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : Hmmm this company you can basically...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 1:58pm<br /><br />Hmmm this company you can basically outsource the operation of your whole city to.&nbsp;&nbsp; They cite Sandy Srings GA as an example where they operate the entire City, everything but Police, Fire and Medical response as that is handled by the County.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.omi.ch2mhill.com/communities/muni.html" target="_blank">http://www.omi.ch2mhill.com/communities/muni.html</A></DIV>]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : MORE CITIES LOOKING TO OUTSOURCE...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 1:35pm<br /><br /><H1 minmax_bound="true">MORE CITIES LOOKING TO OUTSOURCE SERVICES</H1><P minmax_bound="true"><P minmax_bound="true">Hoping to protect union jobs, Hollywood commissioners last year rejected a proposal to privatize garbage collection.</P><P minmax_bound="true">But when residents discovered it meant steeper fees and no bulk pickup, their outcry forced commissioners to reverse course. This year, officials are considering outsourcing police, fire, code enforcement, building and engineering services as well.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Pembroke Pines, once one of the nation's fastest-growing cities, may farm out its Building and Zoning Department because permit fees have dried up in the sputtering housing market. In response, union leaders have pleaded to save jobs by allowing the city to cut pay, benefits or work hours.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Sunrise for nearly 37 years operated the municipal Springtree Golf Club, which will be closed for renovations on June 1. But when the 18-hole course reopens in early 2010, a private contractor will likely take over its management.</P><P minmax_bound="true">As governments grapple with sinking revenues and ballooning budget deficits, the idea of outsourcing is gaining steam.</P><P minmax_bound="true">"It's the wave of the future. You will start to see more and more cities contract out," said Russell Benford, city manager of West Park, which depends on contractors for most of its services. "Now that we're in a budget crisis, obviously everyone is working hard to control expenses. . . . Outsourcing allows you to provide services for less money."</P><P minmax_bound="true">Leaders in Weston and Southwest Ranches, who also rely heavily on contractors, extol the benefits. They say because contractors perform tasks as needed, they are cheaper to use than full-time workers. And contractors' benefits are often less generous than those of their counterparts in the public sector, allowing governments to hold down costs.</P><P minmax_bound="true">However, there are drawbacks. For example, contractor John Canada lost his job as town manager of Southwest Ranches in October 2006 amid accusations of nepotism for hiring his wife and daughter as town employees. And Weston in 2007 found it would save $220,000 annually by hiring six senior managers instead of having them on contract.</P><P minmax_bound="true">"There is a tremendous amount of experimentation with privatization," said Mildred Warner, a professor at Cornell University who has done extensive research on the subject. "In some services and some places, it can yield savings."</P><P minmax_bound="true">Still, she cautions, most local markets lack stiff competition, so private companies' prices creep up over time and erode any initial savings. Also, the quality of services may deteriorate.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Public employee unions argue that ceding control of vital public services will mean less accountability to residents. They say contractors may not be as willing to respond to emergencies. And they worry that when the economy recovers, their cities will be understaffed because it can take time to collect bids and approve contracts.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Yet they acknowledge cities need to slice costs.</P><P minmax_bound="true">The union's recent offer in Pembroke Pines "is unprecedented," said Jim Sugg, the city's chief electrical inspector. "What is government here for if we're going to privatize everything?"</P><P minmax_bound="true">Some outsourcing advocates say generous benefits make in-house workers too costly.</P><P minmax_bound="true">"Some things are out of your control, like pensions and health care," Benford said. "And unions have contracts that you have to renegotiate, so you don't know what will increase through those contracts each time."</P><P minmax_bound="true">Some municipalities have turned to their neighbors for services. Fourteen municipalities from Cooper City to Weston contract with the Broward Sheriff's Office for law enforcement. And contractors have long collected trash in many areas. Hollywood treats wastewater from the eastern part of Pembroke Pines, portions of Miramar and southern Broward County, Dania Beach, Hallandale Beach and Pembroke Park.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Plantation officials say they will consider shifting more responsibility to outside contractors for park maintenance, road paving and street striping. The city already contracts out legal services and air-conditioning maintenance.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Dania Beach officials may consider contracting out services such as code enforcement and management of the Dania Beach Marina as part of the 2009-10 budget. Lauderhill, which contracts out for trash collection and some engineering and architectural services, might consider privatizing other services as well.</P><P minmax_bound="true">"It could possibly be cost-effective if you only need someone to come in once or twice a week rather than have someone here all the time," said Kennie Hobbs, the city's finance director.</P><P minmax_bound="true">Weston City Manager John Flint said with contractors, the city avoids so-called "bumping," where unionized workers with seniority retain their high salaries by displacing workers who earn less.</P><P minmax_bound="true">"I believe our model works great," Flint said. "Having competition instills a sense of loyalty for the contractor to want to continue to perform."</P>]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : All of the above, Vet.   Mr.Nagy&amp;#039;s...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 1:23pm<br /><br />All of the above, Vet. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Mr.Nagy's premise on coming clean by simplifying the finances and making them public(warts and all) is wanted by most.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Concentrating on core responsibilities(Public Safety and infrastructure) at the expense of frills,festivals, pay raises(yes--those by "re-categorization") and breaking away from real estate purchases/development and select private business subsidy.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The out-sourcing is not as simple and the cost-saver that Mr.N implies.</DIV><DIV>And to do so, we must find someone to do it better and of course, for LESS MONEY.</DIV><DIV>Easier said than done imo.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Once again--read 2day's Cincy Enquirer for the latest case of retirement overkill.</DIV><DIV>It ain't the salaries that bone us, but the legacy/retirement costs that are choking the life out of us. No different than the Social Security gorrila waiting for us down the road--only WORSE.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Sorry Vet--after re-reading and re-thinking, I find issue with some parts of the piece. Still--overall it makes good logic.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It would help if Council would work together and quit pointing fingers. Actually--I like the 6-member Council since it now takes a clear majority(4-2 VOTE) to get anything through.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : Nagy&amp;#039;s simplicity, while...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 1:13pm<br /><br /><P>Nagy's simplicity, while reminicent of a Merrill Wood article, probably isn't practical. I doubt there are municipalities out there that outsource much on a grand scale, otherwise we would have heard or read about them.&nbsp; And&nbsp;the blanket blame game doesn't really get much action accomplished because he is painting with too broad of a brush.</P><DIV>While it may feel good for many of the populists/tea partiers on this board to rail about every governmental decision and every city employee or council member as if they just came from Mars, but I tend to think most do care and most are trying to make a bad situation a little better.&nbsp; The tough part about finding solutions is separating the wheat from the chaff -- where the <U>actual</U>&nbsp;waste, incompetence, or fault lies and not constantly engage is hyperbole and exaggeration about "all the crooks" and "all the idiots".&nbsp; That kind of language is what gets you ignored by others as part of&nbsp;the crazy blogosphere.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Letter From Mr.Paul Nagy : What do we basically have now...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 12:20pm<br /><br /><P>What do we basically have now an "outsourced" bunch of City employees who live elsewhere, have no financial ties to the community as far as property or business interests, other than a Paycheck and the best benefits around.</P><DIV>These people make decisions which impact everyone that lives in Middletown and&nbsp;has an investment in Middletown and many times don't agree with the decisions they make.&nbsp; These people determine our Water Rates, the amount we pay for garbage pickup, how much we pay for a ride to the hospital,&nbsp;how much Section 8 we have, which roads will be fixed,&nbsp;etc., etc., etc.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>These people determine what will be done legally and financially in our city and then go home to another place, where their decisions have no impact on them at all.&nbsp; They try to affect the outcome of our elections to benefit themselves financially through their paychecks and benefits, yet most&nbsp;can't vote in the election.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I would say we pretty much have an outsourced work force already, yet we have no say how it was outsourced.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2937<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> May&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 12:05pm<br /><br />Mr. Nagy- "basic, sensible, real".......later-" it is not as convenient, seemless, and the improvement that Mr. Nagy implies or suggests".......... "granted, it all sounds good on paper and in a perfect world". <br /><br />Is it basic, sensible and real or does it have some major flaws, Spider? Do you agree with your original critique of Mr. Nagy's article or does it need some "major repair" work in its content?  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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