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   <title>Sorg Mansion : Way to connect the pieces. I would...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=655">angelababy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Aug&nbsp;31&nbsp;2010 at 9:51pm<br /><br />Way to connect the pieces.&nbsp; I would love to see inside this place.&nbsp;&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : Well getting all the druggies...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">viper771</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2010 at 10:45pm<br /><br />Well getting all the druggies out of the Sorg is a start. You won't hear me complain about that :)]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : The Mansion and lot appear to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=387">TudorBrown</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;24&nbsp;2010 at 12:59pm<br /><br />The Mansion and lot appear to be vacant now.&nbsp; No more cars parked outside, everything looks like it has been locked up.&nbsp; "No Trespassing" signs on all the entrances.<br><br><a href="http://img266.imageshack.us/i/sorggates.jpg/" target="_blank"><img src="http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/286/sorggates.jpg" border="0" /></a><br><br>Uploaded with <a href="http://imageshack.us" target="_blank">ImageShack.us</a><br>]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : I would give anyone support as...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=637">Rhodes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;23&nbsp;2010 at 4:46pm<br /><br />I would give anyone support as well, but this situation is like giving an ant encouragement that he really can move that rubber tree plant.<br /><br />I just read on the Sorg Mansion Facebook page that the buyer is promoting the Sorg Mansion on Martha Stewart Weddings' Facebook page.  Does this mean the Sorg Mansion will be a wedding hall?  Not that original of an idea and it seems to me that Middletown already has many wedding party rooms.  Manchester Hotel, BeauVerre, many historic churches, American Legion, K of C Hall, and of course the dirty VFW.  I didn't realize there was that much wedding business in the Middletown area to support another venue.<br /><br />So this is the big exciting news that's supposed to bring people to downtown Middletown?]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : That what I figure as well.. It...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">viper771</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;23&nbsp;2010 at 4:27pm<br /><br />That what I figure as well.. It is a Middletown landmark and has been since it went up. I'd give support to anyone trying it fix up the older part of Middletown :)]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : When I looked at the Sorg Mansion...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=455">mihousenut</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;23&nbsp;2010 at 9:10am<br /><br />When I looked at the Sorg Mansion to purchase, with the intent of&nbsp;restoring the property, and starting and running a bed and breakfast(I currently have a b&amp;b right now)&nbsp; I could not find a plausible way to do that.&nbsp; To make it&nbsp;profitable, with some type of end escape when retiring that &nbsp;have enough&nbsp;value in the business to get out of it what is required to make it an Inn in the first place.&nbsp; Public monies, there are none, well, a facade&nbsp;grant from the city, which is a drop in the bucket, but otherwise, nothing is available, historic restoration tax credits are almost nonexistant, with the smallest project ever&nbsp;approved being $800,000, most tax credits were for 5 million and up, so little help to the&nbsp;small people.&nbsp; So I walked away....<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Anyone with the means to do the Sorg, kudos to them, you should applaud them and offer support, even if just an atta-boy, as this mansion needs&nbsp;alot of&nbsp;tlc...... this&nbsp;coming from someone who went over the place with a fine toothed comb.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : Just like welfare is meant to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=637">Rhodes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;22&nbsp;2010 at 6:24pm<br /><br />Just like welfare is meant to help those in need, not a way to live off the government, I say the same thing for grants.  Anyone using grant money for their "wish list" is abusing what grants are meant to do.  It doesn't make it illegal to find loopholes or loose language in a program, but it doesn't make it right to take advantage of poorly written rules when it comes to the public's tax dollars.  Just like it isn't right to abuse the welfare program and turn it into a way of life.<br /><br />I don't know what the plans are for the Sorg Mansion.  The buyer posting on here hasn't said much except that we should wait for a press release.  I noticed he's been called out for being a part-time waiter and he's yet to deny that.  I personally do not care what he does for a living, but it is odd that it's been for sale for over a year and nobody of any great business expertise has found a way to make it a profitable venture, but this part-time waiter has.<br /><br />I think Sorg Opera has been in foreclosure a few times now since it was bought from the Finkelmans.  Each time they manage to pull it out, but it appears they are on thin ice financially.  I see the same fate for Sorg Mansion.]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion : I oppose Grants in principal,...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=303">lrisner</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;22&nbsp;2010 at 4:41pm<br /><br />I oppose Grants in principal, but as long as it is the Law I blame no one for using them.<br><br>We need to change the Law!<br>]]>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion :   spiderjohn wrote:Amen Rhodes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 12:08pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by spiderjohn" alt="Originally posted by spiderjohn" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>spiderjohn wrote:</strong><br /><br />Amen Rhodes <DIV>Grant funding should go to the best-intentioned "in need" situations, not to the convenient self-serving"want" situations. Hopefully the home wo't be sold to this individual. Haven't we learned enough from the failed Sorg Opera House property transfer?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Grant funding is hardly "free money" as many think.</DIV><DIV>As far as tax payers are concerned, the well is bone dry. The IS NO REAL MONEY.</DIV><DIV>We must use what is available very wisely, and make sure that it goes to the most needy and productive.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>IMO the Sorg Mansion is probably not worth the restoration expense.</DIV><DIV>However if someone can pull it off on their own dime, it would be very interesting.</DIV></td></tr></table> Spider, <DIV>So, you like <strong>Grant,</strong> but why are you against <strong>Lee?</strong> If&nbsp;it is okay&nbsp;for me to&nbsp;drive an old&nbsp;Licoln on <strong>Rhodes</strong> that's OK, but if I can apply for a loan using just a little mistaken info and get my hands on a Mercedes you and the old retired lady at WalMart <strong><EM>should</EM></strong> have&nbsp;to tote&nbsp;the rest of&nbsp;my note for a new Mercedes for my to drive on <strong>Laynes, </strong>shouldn't you<strong>? <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" />&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="C&#111;nfused" /></strong></DIV><DIV><strong></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong>It is to free!&nbsp; </strong>I shouldn't have to pay! I didn't do it. Nobody saw me do it. You can't prove I did it.<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley26.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Pinch" />&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley13.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Disapprove" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It is, too,&nbsp;free if I don't pay for it&nbsp; "THEY" pay for it and then it's free!&nbsp; You know, THEY, THEY!!!&nbsp; THEY have all kinds of money, so why should I pay for anything? <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley29.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Wacko" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jun 2010 12:08:25 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Sorg Mansion :   viper771 wrote: I would like...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 2959<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;21&nbsp;2010 at 11:53am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by viper771" alt="Originally posted by viper771" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>viper771 wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>I would like to get my house on the historic register one day after I finish restoring it. I don't see anything wrong with applying for a historic house grant. I would do it too. A lot of people do it. It has been done for quite a while. </P><DIV>I think more money comes out of our taxes paying for illegal immigrants than saving old houses.</DIV></td></tr></table> <SPAN lang=EN><P>Viper,</P><P>I can sincerely state that: “If <B><I>YOU</B></I> want to get <B><I>YOUR</B></I> house on the historic register one day after <B><I>YOU</B></I> finish restoring it, I don't see anything wrong with that either!!!” In fact, I would applaud your effort and would be happy to offer my humble assistance to the best of my ability. (Some people familiar with the facts, in this nation and in other nations, do seem to believe that I have some knowledge of construction methods, techniques, and problem solving.) I probably even have some tools that I would be willing to loan to you, if I can remember who I have last loaned them to, and am able to retrieve them.</P><P>There was a time, not too long ago, that I might even have donated materials, or offered an interest-free (or very low-interest) loan. Unfortunately, the last few years have been as financially hurtful to me as to so many others in our nation, so I am no longer willing to offer financial assistance in cases of “want” rather than “need”.</P><P>As to some other things you mentioned, I guess we must all follow our own conscience. There are many things that “a lot of people” choose to do. Some, I also choose to do, while others, I choose not do. Being “legal” does not always make something “right”, nor does being “illegal” make it “wrong”, at least in <B><I>my</B></I> view. Consider things like slavery, which was once legal in this country; the 70 mph interstate speed limit, which was legal one day, illegal the very next, and then legal again after another arbitrary date, all on the very same stretches of highways in some states.</P><P>I have similar views on “a lot of people do it” and “it has been done for quite a while”, also. Once again, consider slavery, speed limits, nuclear power plants, lead-containing paint, the death penalty, stem cell research, etc. These are all things that not only “a lot of people do” or “a lot of people have done for quite a while” but also may or may not be legal depending upon location on the earth, point in history (or in the future), or present regime of government.</P><P>Lastly, I have no idea what illegal immigrants have to do with any of this, but we probably agree in principle. Yes, I also think that “…more money comes out of our taxes paying for illegal immigrants than saving old houses.” I also believe that our tax money should not be used for either. Immigrants should come to America legally. Houses, both old and new, should be built, purchased, and maintained by their owners! If the “owner” happens to be a “foundation” and that foundation does its own fundraising, so be it!</P><P>However, I am also nearly positive that more money comes out of our taxes paying for space exploration than saving old houses. In both cases, we are NOT comparing apples-to-apples, so whether or not I am “for” or “against” the first, has nothing to do with whether I am “for” or “against” the second.</P><P>Here’s a hypothetical question:</P><P>“Is Bill Gates’ house any less historic than Paul Sorg’s? If not, why not?” “If so, then why aren’t we using tax money to maintain the Gates Mansion?”</P><P>So, at least in my view:</P><P>Mt. Vernon? Absolutely! </P><P>Monticello? Of course!</P><P>Mike Presta’s house? <B><I>H*ll no!!! NEVER!!! NO WAY!!!</P></B></I><P>Bill Gates Shack? NOPE!</P><P>Sorg Mansion? Sorry!</P><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>Those are my views!</SPAN>]]>
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