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   <title>June 1 meeting :  I said that I would &#226;&#8364;&#339;comment...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;09&nbsp;2010 at 10:49am<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P>I said that I would “comment further” on this, and here it is:</P><P>I’ve pondered this situation a lot, and tried to look at it from every viewpoint that I can imagine. I have been of two minds on my response from the start, and continue to be of two minds on the matter.</P><P>Can I put myself in Mr. Walkin’s situation? I’m not sure, but I certainly believe that I can. On the other hand, how sure can he be that he can put himself into mine, when sometimes I, myself,&nbsp;am unsure of my own situation? For those reasons, I have decided not to “engage” him in an adversarial manner, but I will try to address the points that he has raised. I will try my best to do this without being confrontational. This is not because I fear confrontation--I think that those of you who have come to know me realize that I do not--but because not only do I really believe that I can understand his position, but also I believe that there is nothing to be gained from he and I engaging in some sort of open warfare when we both appear to have the same goals in mind and be like-minded in much of our thinking.</P><P>Am I “to blame” if or when I do not study the semi-monthly city council workbook for errors, omissions, or possible attempts to “slip one (or more) over” on the public? I think not! I do admit that I try my best to do this, and I realize that there may even be some individuals who have come to depend it. However, it is the responsibility of <B><I>every</B></I> good citizen to stay to as fully informed of civic affairs as possible. I even realize that I have more time for such things than most, but there are still occasions when I do have priorities that prevent me from doing so, just as others do. My attempts to be of help do NOT, at least in my view, make it my job. There are times when I just cannot perform this review in the timeframe allowed, especially on occasions such as the Friday before Memorial day, when the workbook was NOT put on-line as soon as is the norm. I know it was not--I checked for it several times that Friday, since I knew I had some other plans and I also was (and still am) having cable problems. I can't really say when the workbook hit the city's website, but I am fairly certain that it was AFTER Friday.</P><P>As far as my not having applied for the vacant First Ward council seat, well, we can play “should’ve, could’ve, would’ve…” all year:</P><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>It should’ve only been for seven months instead of a year and seven months…</P><DIV>If we could’ve had a “real” legal opinion or two…</DIV><P>If they would’ve let us know sooner that Gary Barge had withdrawn…</P></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Well, it isn’t, and we couldn’t, and they didn’t…and it’s too late now unless we sue the b*st*rds,&nbsp;but who has the money to do that? (Especially when they’d probably just use our money to pay the new councilman’s law firm to represent the City and drive us even farther towards bankruptcy!) Besides, I’ve already admitted I made a mistake, so somebody shoot me, if it will make you feel better. (But then I will NEVER be able to go over the workbook!!!)</P><B><P>Side note: I won’t be going over the workbook <I>THIS</I> weekend, either!! (I’m not “pouting” or anything silly like that. I just have some other things that I must do. If/when I get them finished, I’ll go over the workbook--at least I’ll try, <I><U>but no promises!!! </P></B></I></U><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>&#091;For ease in typing, I have intended the masculine to include both genders throughout the above discourse. Suffice it to say that I mean no disrespect to any of the ladies (or to females who may not be ladies) who may read it. I do NOT claim an advanced degree in journalism, or in English composition, nor any special expertise in spelling or in political correctness.&#093;</P></BLOCKQUOTE></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : Hermes says.........Mike - Yeah...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 1:22pm<br /><br />Hermes says.........Mike - Yeah you could have thrown your hat,shirt and pants into the foray but I'm betting council would have never even given you a thought. Same with the rest of us, they are picking who they want not who we want. <br /><br /><br />Hey Hermes! I'm a tad bit frustrated by this info. Here, all along, I thought I had impressed them and they liked me. I know I've always been fond of them. Are you saying that NONE of us had a shot at winning their favor for this position?  Are you suggesting this was a done deal, no matter what we did to impress them? Are you suggesting that this Tom Allen fellow is but a mere puppet for them to sway the balance of power in favor of Mulligan's Raiders?<br /><br />I don't know bud.......that sounds awfully "distrusting" to me.  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> ]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting :   randy wrote:I am still in shock...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 11:03am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by randy" alt="Originally posted by randy" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>randy wrote:</strong><br /><br />I am still in shock over this choice. I just dont see how this was the best candidate. I am so sick of Middletown, and the way its leaders deal with us. I have had enough.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Randy why are you shocked ? If anyone would have known that council would pick "their" man it would be you. Your more on top of it than I'll ever be and I wasn't shocked I expected it. I understand your anger cause I'm angered as well as everyone should be, but if we don't get some legislation and or law (and I'm not sure which this falls under) changed this crap is going to continue every time a seat becomes vacant.</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>&nbsp;</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>IMO a special election should have been held when it was discovered that Armbruster could no longer hold his seat due to his health. I firmly believe that his health was <U>mis-represented</U> in order to prolong the <U>preparation</U> of his replacement. I don't believe for a second that Armbruster&nbsp;passed away&nbsp;so unexpectedly. (with all due respect to his family)</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Without a doubt council has known all along who they would be picking because I can't believe they would have waited and made a choice in just 2-3 weeks or whatever.</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 11:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>June 1 meeting :   wannaknow wrote:From what I...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 10:48am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by wannaknow" alt="Originally posted by wannaknow" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>wannaknow wrote:</strong><br /><br />From what I read&nbsp;of the esteemed Mr. Presta's post&nbsp;it appears that they got&nbsp;another "&nbsp;yes man"&nbsp; in office. Takes care of that 3 to 3 split and&nbsp;should speed things along. What happened to Gary Barge? I live in and have my business in Ward 1,&nbsp;fondly referred to&nbsp;as&nbsp;"the ghetto", so of course I was hoping&nbsp;there would be some change with a new council member.&nbsp;&nbsp;Mr. Barge seemed genuinely concerned for the people in this ward and had a grasp on what was needed. I hope Mr. Allen will venture this way and see that this ward is the worst neglected area in Middletown. Why are there no&nbsp;notices to mow the high grass and clean up the property in this ward? The city is concentrating on a park for dogs while the park FOR KIDS by my house is pathetic. I am hopeful he will be different and care a little bit.</td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Just curious but are you that naive ? Tom Allen has been hand picked from the tree, he will do what they want him to do. Bottom line.</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : Well lets see.....you have sitting...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 10:43am<br /><br /><strong>Well lets see.....you have sitting council members "selecting" a replacement member.....so what did everyone expect ? That these sitting members would pick someone who would be for "the citizens &amp; be an outstanding representative"? Sorry folks but none of you are that naive.<DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV></DIV>When Clyde picked Bonnie he wasn't looking for an "out-standing &amp; honest" girlfriend and cohort. Same with council. I haven't a clue who this Tom Allen is or why he stepped to the plate, was he a "chosen one" and prep'd by council ? Hhhhmmmm..........<DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV></DIV>I think it's time council lost some of it's powers. How did we ever get to the point that council could pick and choose whom ever they want versus who the people want ? I think this is a dirty piece of legislation or law that needs to be struck down.<DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV></DIV>Mike - Yeah you could have thrown your hat,shirt and pants into the foray but I'm betting council would have never even given you a thought. Same with the rest of us, they are picking who they want not who we want. </strong>]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : Randy, you have done so much good...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=625">High Speed Rail??</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 10:14am<br /><br />Randy, you have done so much good on our behalf.&nbsp; Your efforts are appreciated.&nbsp; Hang in there.&nbsp; We need you.]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : I am still in shock over this...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=216">randy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 9:34am<br /><br />I am still in shock over this choice. I just dont see how this was the best candidate. I am so sick of Middletown, and the way its leaders deal with us. I have had enough. ]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : From what I readof the esteemed...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=235">wannaknow</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 8:32am<br /><br />From what I read&nbsp;of the esteemed Mr. Presta's post&nbsp;it appears that they got&nbsp;another "&nbsp;yes man"&nbsp; in office. Takes care of that 3 to 3 split and&nbsp;should speed things along. What happened to Gary Barge? I live in and have my business in Ward 1,&nbsp;fondly referred to&nbsp;as&nbsp;"the ghetto", so of course I was hoping&nbsp;there would be some change with a new council member.&nbsp;&nbsp;Mr. Barge seemed genuinely concerned for the people in this ward and had a grasp on what was needed. I hope Mr. Allen will venture this way and see that this ward is the worst neglected area in Middletown. Why are there no&nbsp;notices to mow the high grass and clean up the property in this ward? The city is concentrating on a park for dogs while the park FOR KIDS by my house is pathetic. I am hopeful he will be different and care a little bit.]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : Wewould be so much better off...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=625">High Speed Rail??</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;03&nbsp;2010 at 6:56am<br /><br />We&nbsp;would be so much better off if we had more concerned citizens like Mike Presta, Nick Kidd, Gary Barge, Paul Nagy, Vivian Moon, Viet Vet, Pacman, Hermes, Spider John, Randy Lewis, etc. ]]>
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   <title>June 1 meeting : I am not sure whether to thank...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3021<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Jun&nbsp;02&nbsp;2010 at 11:12pm<br /><br />I am not sure whether to thank you, or to curse you, sir.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>You blame me???</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Perhaps I should stop and think a bit&nbsp;before I comment further...but comment further I shall!!!</DIV>]]>
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