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Middletown Forum : Section 8 Mtg. Tonight http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Section 8 Mtg. Tonight Wed, 07 Oct 2026 12:32:45 +0000 Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:13:22 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3144 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : What are we doing to REDUCE the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20785&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20785 Author: angelababy
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Posted: Aug 15 2010 at 10:13pm

What are we doing to REDUCE the number issues Mr. Adkins? As discussed to death, we need those voucher numbers to be less than Hamilton's at 732, not 1500+ as we have now, right? I would also think that since this is a federal program that there are guidelines you would have to follow, that a city would not be able to overwrite the guidelines. mayor and bill becker, Any thing done by persent council is better than past.
]]> Sun, 15 Aug 2010 22:13:22 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20785&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20785 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Mr.Self--I don't believe... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20338&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20338 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 24 2010 at 6:48pm

Mr.Self--I don't believe that Mr.Adkins had anything to do with re-appointing CONSOC or choosing the new inspection team. I believe that prior Commissions initially appointed CONSOC, and our last version of Council re-appointed them(spearheaded by Mr.Schiavone,Mr.Marconi,Mr.Becker and Mr.Armbruster(rip)). And did so against the wishes of Ms.G(Admin). Probably the same with the latest inspection team.

Hopefully you will attend the Monday open forum to air your repeated concerns in a manner that can be eventually answered to the fullest.

I doubt that you will ever recieve direct answers from city admin, so you might find a capable citizen to take this material forward.

jmo

Tears of Rage

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Why must I always be the Thief?

]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 18:48:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20338&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20338 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Until the transfer of Mr Adkins... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20334&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20334 Author: Nelson Self
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Posted: Jul 24 2010 at 1:43pm

Until the transfer of Mr Adkins to the Community Revitalization Department in February 2009, other senior City staff perpetuated and/or ignored subsidized rental housing concerns.

Mr. Adkins is to be commended for attempting to reform the past mistakes and indifference of others.

Relative to other HUD-funded multi-million dollar grants such as CDBG, HOME and NSP-1, some previously noted important unanswered questions remain.

]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:43:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20334&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20334 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Mr Adkins - Are you now telling... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20332&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20332 Author: Nelson Self
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Posted: Jul 24 2010 at 1:26pm

Mr Adkins -

Are you now telling us that HUD - Cleveland Field Office has failed to cite the City of Middletown for having a high rate of HQS non-compliance since the first program administration contract was signed by the City and CONSOC in 1990? Perhaps it would be helpful to hear from Mike LaRiccia or Nancy Petrunak with the HUD - Cleveland Field Office?

]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 13:26:46 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20332&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20332 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Almost 70% of the inspections... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20329&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20329 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 24 2010 at 11:38am

Almost 70% of the inspections have failed this year as we require the landlords to bring their properties back up to standards.

Mr Adkins
If the current 2010 failure rate of Section 8 Housing is 70% that are being performed by TIG what was the failure rate in 2008 & 2009 while CONSOC was performing the Section 8 inspections?

If in fact the City had such little faith in CONSOC's ability then why on earth did the City sign a 3 year contract with them when they were the highest bidder?

]]> Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:38:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20329&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20329 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : SpiderjohnIf HUD rules would permit... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20311&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20311 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 23 2010 at 10:46am

Spiderjohn
If HUD rules would permit maybe we could use the salaries of one inspector and a secretary to give a current Section 8 tenants $500 to help them rent a truck and move out of the area.
However HUD rules state that you can not cause undue hardship on these Section 8 tenants.

]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:46:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20311&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20311 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : SpiderI am well aware of the payroll... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20310&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20310 Author: Pacman
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Posted: Jul 23 2010 at 10:41am

Spider I am well aware of the payroll and benefits consequences of hiring City Inspectors.

"Layoffs? Terminations? Un-employment? Re-assignment?"

All of the above are viable options if no longer needed for inspections.

"So--what happens to these inspectors as their workload decreases when(if) the voucher total drops from 1662 to 445 in less than 2 years?"

Spider who have you been talking to the tooth fairy, I doubt you will see a 75% reduction in 2 years.

]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 10:41:12 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20310&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20310 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : pac--it might be you who is missing... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20308&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20308 Author: spiderjohn
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Posted: Jul 23 2010 at 9:36am

pac--it might be you who is missing the point and direction here.

We are in agreement on the end result, however as a private employer, I look for the most in-expensive long -term method with little to no future obligation.

No real hoopla about inspections.

They must be done effectively and cost effectively.

If we take these programs in-house, we must supply the labor.

Doesn't mean that we can't sub-contract a different team of inspectors.

Still--if these inspectors become city employees, and could possibly be tenured former city employees, it will impact our greatest municipal expense of all--the bennie/retirement system. So--what happens to these inspectors as their workload decreases when(if) the voucher total drops from 1662 to 445 in less than 2 years?

Layoffs? Terminations? Un-employment? Re-assignment?

Probably a ? for Mr.Adkins, if he is still talking to me.

]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:36:39 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20308&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20308 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Folks what is the bottom line... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20306&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20306 Author: Pacman
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Posted: Jul 23 2010 at 8:07am

Folks what is the bottom line here. No one has been more vocal on the Section 8 matter than me for the last 2-3 years. Now that a plan of action has been devised it seems that some of us want to tear apart the plan before it is even implemented. I am just trying to understand what the motivation is here.

HUD may never allow a reduction in vouchers, which personally I think is ludicrous and shortsighted on their part, but that is a possibility that we must deal with.

Parma seems to have come up with a program that they can live with and it appears that Middletown's is based on what they have done and accomplished for themselves. To have 700-800 Vouchers and only 50-60 voucher holders that actually live in the City of Parma is a huge success, if you ask me. A success that I hope Middletown can also duplicate with about a 75% reduction as Mr. Adkins stated.

Now we are squabbling over who does inspections. Who cares who does the inspections as long as they are done correctly and no one group doing them is outrageously higher money wise than the other groups.

The city wants:

Lead Based Paint

HQS

International Property Maintenance Code Inspections

done. Now who can do all of those inspections for the right price and do it right? If it is the City can do it then let the city do it. If it is a combination of the City doing the First inspection and TIG doing the followup inspections so be it.

Personally for me the bottom line is a reduction in the number of Section 8 Voucher Holders in the City of Middletown, which leads also to a reduction in the amount of Poverty in Middletown. If this is what it takes to make this happen than fine with me, lets move ahead. My only concerned in this matter is how long is it going to take to see some measurable results.

So my question is why all this hoopla about inspections?

]]> Fri, 23 Jul 2010 08:07:49 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20306&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20306 Section 8 Mtg. Tonight : Almost 70% of the inspections... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3144&PID=20303&title=section-8-mtg-tonight#20303 Author: Vivian Moon
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Posted: Jul 23 2010 at 4:36am

Almost 70% of the inspections have failed this year as we require the landlords to bring their properties back up to standards.

Mr. Adkins
When Mr. Harrison Joseph presented these numbers to City Counncil over several month period I thought he said this was a bad number because it was maked FAILED when in fact it included, no shows or TIG had not sent in completed paperwork on the property. The problems with the TIG paperwork mess went on for months.

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