Middletown Forum : Historic code 1210 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Historic code 1210 Wed, 07 Oct 2026 09:05:53 +0000 Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:34:21 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3274 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Historic code 1210 : 1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=23267&title=historic-code-1210#23267 Author: Storm Ahead
Subject: 3274
Posted: Nov 12 2010 at 9:34am

1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.        ????????

I think their observation glasses got fogged up. There is a mighty fine school building being torn down as I type this!]]> Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:34:21 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=23267&title=historic-code-1210#23267 Historic code 1210 : Mr. Picard: I hate to say "I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=23210&title=historic-code-1210#23210 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3274
Posted: Nov 10 2010 at 4:26pm

Mr. Picard:
I hate to say "I tild you so", but I told you so!!!
Originally posted by Mike_Presta Mike_Presta wrote:

Originally posted by danpicard danpicard wrote:

Mr. Presta:
 
This ordinance only applies to "Historic Districts or Historic Landmarks".  Tell me exactly which section of the ordinance states that it  applies to "any" property in the City.
 
Dan Picard

Mr. Picard:

For one place:

1210.03(e)(1) e) General Powers and Duties. The Historic Commission shall have the following powers and duties, in addition to those otherwise specified:

(1) The Historic Commission shall conduct a continuous survey of all areas, places, structures, works of art, or similar objects in the City which the Commission has reason to believe are or will be eligible for designation as historic sites, landmarks or districts.

My comments (included in my email to ALL council members, dated Thu, September 2, 2010 2:16 am):

 This is entirely to broad and subjective!!! Now “all” areas are included as are “works of art”!! So, are we to assume that all “history buffs” that will be appointed to this commission will also be qualified “art critics”??? Aren’t we getting into some pretty specialized areas here??? And “similar objects”??? What in the world are “similar objects“??? This is a LAW, and here we are, under “powers and duties” giving them control over “works of art and SIMILAR OBJECTS”!!! Isn’t “art” in the eye of the beholder??? This could be ANYTHING!!! This is a TERRIBLE law, and subject to all sorts of abuse!!!

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We will now have this gang at the Historic Commission deciding an issue (the use of “multicolor car hoods from junk yards for siding”) which is clearly in violation of our city's Planning and Zoning Ordinances in an UCC zone, under the guise of "art"!!!
 
Or will we???  We had TWO attorneys vote in favor of this MIS-GUIDED ordinance, which was reviewed and approved by our City Law Director!!!  Make sure that this "gang" follows the letter of the law!!!
 
I hope that the intelligent council members watch this closely!!!
]]> Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:26:43 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=23210&title=historic-code-1210#23210 Historic code 1210 : Normal 0 ... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=22873&title=historic-code-1210#22873 Author: angelababy
Subject: 3274
Posted: Nov 01 2010 at 11:35pm

Thanks so much for the wonderfulinformation you provided us

]]> Mon, 01 Nov 2010 23:35:06 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=22873&title=historic-code-1210#22873 Historic code 1210 : Hey--finally a crazy person at... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21274&title=historic-code-1210#21274 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 9:39am

Hey--finally a crazy person at the podium that has not been associated with MUSA.
That was pretty amazing entertainment--might make a good Councilmember!
Or a plum spot on the Historic Property Repressive Committee.
]]> Sun, 12 Sep 2010 09:39:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21274&title=historic-code-1210#21274 Historic code 1210 : Of course many people saw him.... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21270&title=historic-code-1210#21270 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 6:16am

Of course many people saw him.
 
I am unsure of the point he was trying to make.  He seemed to be equating opposition to Ordinace 1210 to mayhem in the streets and hog-raising in the city and advocacy of abandonment of speed limits. 
 
I suppose if he did not read the ordinance any more carefully than some of the attorneys that hang around city hall did, that would be an easy mistake to make.  After all, many who do not know me at all accuse me of being an art-hater and anti-history zealot.
 
Oh well, ignorance is bliss.
 
I may not agree with what he had to say, but I certainly defend his right to say it.  I actually hope that he speaks more often during Citizens' Comments.  Perhaps next time he will defend some of our city officials specifically and by name!!!
]]> Sun, 12 Sep 2010 06:16:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21270&title=historic-code-1210#21270 Historic code 1210 : I finally had the chance to watch... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21267&title=historic-code-1210#21267 Author: Rhodes
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 12 2010 at 2:54am

I finally had the chance to watch some of last Tuesday's city meeting. I guess it's ok to call someone out in the video since they spoke at a public meeting.

There was a man that spoke as a resident of South Main, he said his is Dan Gawron. Did anyone else see this? Aside from the fact that he came off a little psychotic, did he actually think he was being persuasive? Somebody told me this guy had an old dying tree in his front yard several years ago. There was a large hole in the bottom of it where it was rotting. Instead of doing the proper safe thing and removing the tree, he actually took brick and mortar and filled in the large hole. Surprise, surprise, the tree still died and had to come down. I guess curbside trees are historic too.

These are the people that make fun of us posters on MUSA?]]> Sun, 12 Sep 2010 02:54:05 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21267&title=historic-code-1210#21267 Historic code 1210 : Mr.Picard Thank you for your... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21247&title=historic-code-1210#21247 Author: spiderjohn
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 12:20pm

Mr.Picard
Thank you for your prompt and courteous reply. I hope you stick around to participate in constructive discussion on this site. Maybe you could explain your reasoning for supporting this ordinance and the need to bring the vote immediately last Tuesday.
Also--your thoughts on the Pendleton arrangement and the Main St.Project.
The Main St.Project was approved Tuesday, however I have never really understood what was approved, or what this project is actually going to accomplish.
 
It is a HUGE step for you to come here.
Few do so for long.
I hope that you will be treated with proper respect, and recognized for your willingness to serve.
]]> Fri, 10 Sep 2010 12:20:16 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21247&title=historic-code-1210#21247 Historic code 1210 : Mike Isn't this the same... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21244&title=historic-code-1210#21244 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 10:01am

Mike

Isn't this the same argument of law that we made for the large number of newer homes (infill properties) that were going to be included in the Highlands Historic District?
Didn't Marty assured them that it would NOT have any effect on their property?....hmmmmmm


 

]]> Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:01:23 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21244&title=historic-code-1210#21244 Historic code 1210 : MikeYou are correct. The Middletown... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21243&title=historic-code-1210#21243 Author: Vivian Moon
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:43am

Mike
You are correct.
The Middletown Cemetery was declared historic in February 2006
Historic cemetery law covers these items; buildings, vaults, sculpture, tombstones, fences, water features, trees, plants, and even ground cover.
]]> Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:43:54 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21243&title=historic-code-1210#21243 Historic code 1210 : I won't wait on your reply,... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21242&title=historic-code-1210#21242 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3274
Posted: Sep 10 2010 at 9:38am

I won't wait on your reply, because I doubt that you will have one!!]]> Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:38:14 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3274&PID=21242&title=historic-code-1210#21242