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   <title>Council should reflect : wasteful look at the legislation...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=579">TANGO</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 10:16pm<br /><br />wasteful look at the legislation that the admin. brought to the table. its a joke, just an other to get mooore money out of the people. Paul Nagy is right we need more council to look out for the people<DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>GOOD JOB PAUL]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : Memo to Bill,   You couldn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 9:42pm<br /><br />&nbsp;Memo to Bill, <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You couldn't be more wrong!&nbsp; Josh's lectures on representative government are exactly what we need and haven't had for many years. That's why the city got in the mess and stays in the mess its in. There is nothing more practical than representative government. If you don't think so ask Thomas Jeferson and all of our founding fathers and all of our young men and women who have given their lives for that practical principal. Josh continues to stand up for citizens rights instead of&nbsp; special interests and I know that you know that.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; May Josh Laubaugh's tribe increase.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul Nagy</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : It&amp;#039;s hard to say that &amp;#034;council&amp;#034;...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 9:13pm<br /><br />It's hard to say that "council" doesn't have faith in Judy as "council" doesn't seem to be able to agree on much.&nbsp; They can't make up their mind whether the sky is blue or not.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>If I were on council I'd be getting tired of AJ rambling on showing his ignorance every 5 minutes and Josh spouting his ideology.&nbsp; Memo to Josh:&nbsp; this lttle ol' town of ours doesn't need an ideology militant and we don't need your lectures about some concepts you learned in college classes&nbsp;a few years ago.&nbsp; We need a practical approach and practical comments.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : What do you mean Tango, basically...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 8:13pm<br /><br />What do you mean Tango, basically City Council gives their stamp of approval or disapproval to most of what the Admin wants.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>They need to hand out boxing gloves at tonights meeting, just about got out of hand there for a moment.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : Maybe the jounal should reflect...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=579">TANGO</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 7:21pm<br /><br /><P>Maybe the jounal should reflect on some of things that has been brought to council to look at . Sometimes i think that to much of what the&nbsp;admin trys to legislate is of&nbsp; there own agenda without taking into account whats good for&nbsp; the city.&nbsp; I do agee with&nbsp; one thing, if they do not feel they can trust Gilleland and HER staff then replace them. IT maybe cold way to look at it but thats the way you move forward in tuff times</P>]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : http://redtape.msnbc.com/2010/...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=308">accuro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 8:07am<br /><br /><DIV><a href="http://redtape.msnbc.com/2010/10/20-government-workers-with-super-sized-pay.html" target="_blank">http://redtape.msnbc.com/2010/10/20-government-workers-with-super-sized-pay.html</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Ahhhh....:the charmed life of the city double dipper!</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : What the article doesn&amp;#039;t...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2010 at 6:09pm<br /><br />What the article doesn't mention is that many were not on council when city admin like Judy and certainly Kohler were hired.&nbsp; Why should newer&nbsp;council be obligated to give deference to entrenched and ineffective admin?]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : Nelson- didn&amp;#039;t Eddie Richter...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2010 at 5:46pm<br /><br />Nelson- didn't Eddie Richter get relegated to a rear echelon position covering out of town events. He isn't even in the circle of Middletown news coverage anymore is he? And Kevin Aldridge has been AWOL with any relevant news stories lately hasn't he? He's been on TV Middletown as a host of some show hasn't he? Really wasn't a major cog in the Journal hierarchy as to writing about important news. Just fill in stories occasionally, right?]]>
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   <title>Council should reflect : What..happened..to..the..suppo...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2010 at 5:35pm<br /><br /><FONT size=2><strong>What..happened..to..the..supposed..MJ..expose'..on..waste..&amp;..mismanagement..of..HUD..funds?</strong></FONT> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><strong>This..promise..was..made..to.me..over..lunch..by..Ed..Richter..&amp;..Kevin..Aldrich..in..late..January..2009.</strong></FONT></DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2></FONT></strong>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT size=2>Is..the..Middletown..Journal..really..providing..hard-hitting..fair..&amp;..objective..reporting..on..city..hall?</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Mon, 04 Oct 2010 17:35:09 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Council should reflect : Council should reflect on uncomfortable...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3348<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;04&nbsp;2010 at 3:04pm<br /><br /><H1 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in 7.5pt"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 22.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Council should reflect on uncomfortable trend<?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></H1><P =Ms&#111;normal style=": white; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><FONT color=#666666><?: prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:time Minute="32" Hour="13"><SPAN =publishdate2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">1:32 PM</SPAN></SPAN></st1:time><SPAN =publishdate2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></SPAN><st1:date Year="2010" Day="1" M&#111;nth="10"><SPAN =publishdate2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Friday, October 1, 2010</SPAN></SPAN></st1:date><SPAN =publishdate2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> </SPAN></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>While Middletown City Council prepares for its first meeting in October, today is an opportune time to review an unmistakable trend occurring in council chambers: The unwillingness of some members to trust the recommendations of city administrators.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>Let’s get one notion straight before we proceed. We don’t elect City Council members to rubber-stamp every proposal that administrators put before them. We expect there to be healthy, constructive discussion — and even arguments. And we certainly don’t expect every vote to be unanimous.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>However, there must be some middle ground between rubber-stamping and what’s been occurring for the past couple of years. Consider some examples:<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• For two hours on Sept. 21, council debated and agonized over a recommendation from City Manager Judy Gilleland and community revitalization director Doug Adkins to fire the city’s Section 8 program contractor, Consoc Housing Consultants. In the end, council voted 6-1 to end its contract with Consoc, but the drawn-out discussion made clear that some council members had trust issues with the recommendation and with Gilleland and Adkins.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">• Soon after Gilleland arrived in </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> in early 2008, she recommended that the city turn over its Section 8 program to another governmental housing agency altogether, but previous council members ignored her and decided to keep it under the city’s purview.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• Later in 2008, when Gilleland recommended that another company be hired to replace Consoc, that council voted 4-3 to renew its contract with the company — despite concerns about performance — and to again ignore its city manager’s recommendation. Much of the turmoil we saw Sept. 21 could have been avoided if council had followed either of Gilleland’s Section 8 recommendations in 2008.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• A recent recommendation to update the city’s historic district ordinance was greeted with distrust by some council members who suggested administrators were trying to give the city’s historic commission too much power. The update was passed by a 5-2 vote after considerable discussion at two meetings.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• In late 2009, while trying to set a budget for 2010, Gilleland’s recommendation to downsize and reorganize all city departments was undermined when four council members voted at the last minute to delay eliminating four police and fire department jobs.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• Earlier this year, administrators were chagrined after they recommended a downtown land swap — that would have seen the city paying $95,000 for a property that had just sold for $50,000 — and council members correctly balked at the deal.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>• In 2008, Gilleland recommended that council not grant a waiver on utility tap-in fees for the Atrium Family YMCA, but council voted to grant the waiver anyway — by a 5-1 vote.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">• More recently, in late June, Gilleland and other administrators took a very public trip to the woodshed when council was forced to come up with an additional $170,000 to complete the </SPAN><st1:Street><st1:address><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Sutphin Street</SPAN></st1:address></st1:Street><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> repaving project when undetected concrete deterioration was discovered by the contractor, delaying the project’s completion. (The project was to have been completely funded by a federal stimulus grant, and the needed $170,000 had to be diverted from other local accounts.) Some council members expressed concerns about administrators’ competency at the June 29 meeting.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>These examples are not presented in order to judge whether the recommendations and subsequent votes were right or wrong; they’re presented in order to show that council has been unwilling or reluctant at times to follow the recommendations of the administrators they employ.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>That’s not to suggest that council members are obliged to follow all recommendations without question; however, at some point, they must trust and let their staff do its job without interference. As a longtime City Hall observer, we don’t recall the three previous city managers — Ron Olsen, Bill Becker (now a council member) and Steve Husemann — receiving the same level of skeptical treatment and lack of respect that Gilleland has experienced in her 2½ years in Middletown.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia>Take this observation for what it’s worth. It’s neither an endorsement of the city administration’s performance and past recommendations, nor is it a call for a change in personnel. However, the situation is too obvious and uncomfortable to ignore.<o:p></o:p></FONT></FONT></SPAN></P><P =NormalWeb4 style=": white; MARGIN: auto 0in"><FONT size=3><FONT face=Georgia><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Consider it a call for council members to reflect and to consider why they continue to employ administrators with whom they often seem to disagree and second-guess. After the sharp, tense exchanges between council members and administrators at the televised Sept. 21 meeting, it’s a question that is probably on many </SPAN><st1:City><st1:place><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial">Middletown</SPAN></st1:place></st1:City><SPAN style="COLOR: black; mso-bidi-font-family: Arial"> residents’ minds.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></FONT></P><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><o:p><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>&nbsp;</FONT></o:p></P>]]>
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