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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping :   Nelson...Himself wrote:Than...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 4:04pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Nelson...Himself" alt="Originally posted by Nelson...Himself" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Nelson...Himself wrote:</strong><br /><br />Thanks..so..much..for..your..posts..Miss..Vivian..and..Mike. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The..Community..Revitalization..Department..is..spending..$97,000+..for..one..house..in..Ward..2.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This..purchase/rehab/resale..project..is..located...not..real..far..from..the..Sonny..Hill..Community..Center.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In..talking..with..local..real..estate..professionals..they're..astounded..by..the..$97,000+..expenditure.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4>Didn't..a..certain..City..department..head..say..that..it..was..OK..to..lose..up..to..$75,000..on..house..projects?</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Judging..by..the..list..of..properties..acquired..and..undergoing..rehab..it..seems..that..money..is..no..object.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What..a..City..as..VietVet..would..say.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The..4th..floor..of..Municipal..Building..has..some..vermin..blowing..our..tax..dollars..says..Miss..Vivian.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Let's..hope..that..the..current..U.S...Congress..doesn't..approve..more..Federal.."<strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Schtimulus..Moolah."</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It..wasn't..long..ago..that..a..senior..City..staff..<FONT color=#ff0000><strong>"expert"</strong></FONT>..hoped..to..get..$19,000,000..more..in..NSP..funds.</DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><strong><FONT size=3>Nelson, read your quoted meesage above written less than 1 hr. ago, you brought it up not me.</FONT></strong> ]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping :     Pacman,   I..re-read...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 3:53pm<br /><br /><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>Pacman, <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I..re-read..your.."cut..&amp;..paste"..post..of..the..2/2010.City..Council's..Housing..Sub-Committee..meeting.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I..thank..you..once..again..for..providing..the..comments..reportedly..made..by..Mr...Adkins.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Did..he..ever..tell..you..who..at..HUD..informed..him..that..it..was..OK..to..lose..up..to..$75,000/project?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Since..you..brought..up..this..topic..we'd..like..to..know..more..Pacman.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Please..inform..us??</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : No Nelson that was HUD that said...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 3:27pm<br /><br />No Nelson that was HUD that said that not you buddy Adkins.<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big%20smile" />]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : Thanks..so..much..for..your..p...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=675">Nelson...Himself</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 3:11pm<br /><br />Thanks..so..much..for..your..posts..Miss..Vivian..and..Mike. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The..Community..Revitalization..Department..is..spending..$97,000+..for..one..house..in..Ward..2.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>This..purchase/rehab/resale..project..is..located...not..real..far..from..the..Sonny..Hill..Community..Center.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In..talking..with..local..real..estate..professionals..they're..astounded..by..the..$97,000+..expenditure.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Didn't..a..certain..City..department..head..say..that..it..was..OK..to..lose..up..to..$75,000..on..house..projects?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Judging..by..the..list..of..properties..acquired..and..undergoing..rehab..it..seems..that..money..is..no..object.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What..a..City..as..VietVet..would..say.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The..4th..floor..of..Municipal..Building..has..some..vermin..blowing..our..tax..dollars..says..Miss..Vivian.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Let's..hope..that..the..current..U.S...Congress..doesn't..approve..more..Federal.."<strong><FONT color=#ff0000>Schtimulus..Moolah."</FONT></strong></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>It..wasn't..long..ago..that..a..senior..City..staff..<FONT color=#ff0000><strong>"expert"</strong></FONT>..hoped..to..get..$19,000,000..more..in..NSP..funds.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping :  Folks, you seem to be missing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 2:48pm<br /><br /><SPAN lang=EN><P>Folks, you seem to be missing a key statement in The Journal story. (A statement that also backs up a lot of what I have been opining here in this forum.):</P><FONT face=Georgia><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>“In a recent report of neighborhoods targeted for improvements sent to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, Sherman was not listed — omitted in favor of neighborhoods at risk of slipping into the problems it already faces, Adkins said.”</P></BLOCKQUOTE></FONT><FONT face=Arial><P>My interpretation of this bit of “government-speak”???</P><BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px" dir=ltr><P>“Now that we’ve got the federal bucks to improve these poor, crime-ridden neighborhoods--the hell with those poor folk!!! We’ll use the money in our cronies’ neighborhoods.”</P></BLOCKQUOTE><P>Now, does anyone remember which neighborhoods were at (or very near) the top of the list in that report??? Well, I don’t want you to take my word for it, so you’ll have to look it up for yourselves, but here are a couple of hints:</P><P>The neighborhood at the very top of the list is “In a Historic District” and has the lowest “Vacant Housing” rate (4.00%) of any neighborhood on the list.</P><P>Another neighborhood very near the top of the list includes Bull Run Arboretum and has the second lowest “Vacant Housing” rate (4.04%) of any neighborhood on the list.</P><P>The list can be found here: </FONT></SPAN><a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3223" target="_blank"><U><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff face=Arial><SPAN lang=EN>http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3223</U></FONT></FONT></SPAN></A><FONT face=Arial><SPAN lang=EN> </P><P>Draw your own conclusions.</P></FONT></SPAN>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : &amp;#034;I would also think you could...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 11:39am<br /><br /><FONT color=#cc0033>"&nbsp;I would also think you could not be kicked off a program till you are found guilty.&nbsp; Are you not presumed innocent till found guilty."<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#000000>I don't know how it got turned around,probably lost in translation in some supreme court ruling,but to me it's&nbsp;always been "guilty until proven innocent". If you were innocent until proven guilty then you would not have to prove your innocence.&nbsp;Trying going to court and saying your innocent until proven guilty,it doesn't work. </FONT></strong></DIV></FONT>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : BobbieYou hit the nail on the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=115">Vivian Moon</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 10:55am<br /><br /><P =Ms&#111;normal style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt"><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><FONT size=3>Bobbie<BR>You hit the nail on the head of this problem.<BR>Blaming CONSOC for the Section 8 problem and crime is a joke.<BR>Mr. Adkins is not giving one dime of CDBG money to the areas that need it most for the next five years. <BR>Here is link to the posts that should go with this article.<BR></FONT></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: red"><a href="http://middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3223" target="_blank"><U><FONT face="Times New Roman" color=#800080 size=2>http://middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3223</FONT></U></A><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"><BR style="mso-special-character: line-break"></SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Comic Sans MS'"><?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : I am so much not a fan of the...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=314">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 8:18am<br /><br /><P>I am so much not a fan of the Midd Journal.&nbsp; It seems like everytime I read an article - it always leaves me with more questions.&nbsp; I read this article, again the city placing blame on Consoc - however only 10% are the problem makers.&nbsp; One would think that some of the calls probably did not result in arrests - so not necessarily should be kicked off the program.&nbsp; A breakdown of the calls should be provided.&nbsp; I would also think you could not be kicked off a program till you are found guilty.&nbsp; Are you not presumed innocent till found guilty.&nbsp; </P><P>I will be the first to say that 10% is 10% to many when they are getting free money - free to them, costly to me.&nbsp;&nbsp;What is the average for some of the&nbsp;other agencies&nbsp;that run Sec&nbsp;8, such Butler Metropolitan?&nbsp; Where all&nbsp;of the Section 8 homes that they were&nbsp;called on ran by Consoc, or are some&nbsp;of them Butler Met.&nbsp;&nbsp;If they are not, getting rid of Consoc will not eleviate the problem.&nbsp; </P><DIV>More disturbing in this article is the 2 hour turn time for an officer to arrive, and the attitude.&nbsp; They mention the drug intervention program.&nbsp; Seems like I remember a young man that failed in that program was recently killed.&nbsp; I would like to know the statistics on that program - how many come in and how many are kicked out.&nbsp; Yet they say this has helped decrease crime.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>What do you say Middletown Journal - why don't you start telling the whole story and not just what makes the city look perfect.&nbsp; Things can never get better unless you state and fix the issues.&nbsp; Denial of problems, does not make them go away.</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : Start doing drug testing for people...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=250">viper771</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 12:09am<br /><br /><P>Start doing drug testing for people on Section 8.. and see a lower number of people on the program. If I had to do random drug testing to be in the army, people who are getting money from the govt should have to do a drug test. Not everyone on Section 8 is taking advantage of it. Some people really need it.&nbsp;But, I see a lot of people on it that shouldn't be.</P><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>It shouldn't take 2 hrs for the cops to come when the police station is a few minutes away. Also, a lot of these "run down areas" could look a lot better if people took some pride in cleaing up their area and being responsible for themselves. I am so tired of picking up trash in my front yard from lazy ass people throwing trash out of their cars, or just tossing it on my yard as they walk by.]]>
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   <title>Crimes citywide dropping : So thats where all the dealers...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=295">Hermes</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3362<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;10&nbsp;2010 at 2:01pm<br /><br /><strong>So thats where all the dealers and hookers moved to ! When you run them out of one neighborhood they just go to another. <DIV></DIV>&nbsp;<DIV></DIV>Cops don't want to have to deal with dealers &amp; hookers they might be armed ! I think it's a union rule when a call comes in about drug dealing &amp; hookers you have to wait an hour before you respond...it gives them time to change corners or hide.</strong>]]>
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