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   <title>It&#039;s Starting already with ObamaCare :   Bill wrote: The exaggerations...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 9:02pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Bill" alt="Originally posted by Bill" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Bill wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>The exaggerations continue.....the border policy under Obama is actually heightened compared to before.&nbsp; More guards, more surveillance, more dollars.&nbsp; I'm not saying he's responsible for all of that but to say it's more relaxed than under Bush is just incorrect.</P></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Don't tell that to Arizona, Obama might sue them again.&nbsp; You can not deny the border states are taking a beating under both Obama and&nbsp;Bush.&nbsp; The Immigration problem will not be solved until the border is secured.&nbsp; Non of the Presidents have tackled this problem in the last 25 years other than to give it lip service.&nbsp; Obama has basically halted the construction of the fence and there are claims he refuses to secure the border until there is an Immigration policy, read that as amnesty.&nbsp; Would make better sense to secure the southern border then deal with the Illegal immigrants within the USA.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Yup deportations are up under Obama.&nbsp; Whether his policies or the faltering economy are responsible for any possible decline in illegals entering the country is up for grabs.&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>It&#039;s Starting already with ObamaCare : New Rules Coming for Payments...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=313">Bocephus</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 7:58pm<br /><br /><!--  ARTICLE START  -->New Rules Coming for Payments Out of Health Savings Accounts<DIV id=article-secti&#111;n ="hnews hentry item" sizset="0" sizcache="231" jQuery1287187065751="110"><DIV><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="67">Under the new health care law, consumers using workplace pre-tax health savings accounts will soon need a doctor's note to pay for Tylenol and an estimated 15,000 other over-the-counter drugs.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="68">Starting Jan. 1, employees who use flexible spending accounts (FSAs), health saving accounts (HSAs), or health reimbursement arrangements (HRAs) to pay for common medications such as pain relievers, cold medicines, antacids and allergy medications will need prescriptions. The new rules don't apply to insulin.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="69">The new rules will also prohibit the use of FSA or HRA debit cards provided by administrative plans for over-the-counter purchases, because the IRS says there's no way to prove the drugs were prescribed.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="70">The IRS says any money removed from HSA accounts to pay for medical expenses bought without a prescription will be included as taxable income and subject to an additional tax of 20 percent.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="71">Robert Zirkelbach, a spokesman for America's Health Insurance Plans, the industry lobby that voiced support for the overhaul but has been accused by some of the law's proponents of trying to undermine it, said the law creates "unintended consequences."</P><DIV><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="72">"It creates unnecessary hassles for consumers and provides the wrong kind of incentives," Zirkelbach said, adding that the changes could make it more difficult for consumers to get medicines they need at costs they can afford. &nbsp;</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="73">"This change could have the unintended consequence of increasing health care costs," he said. It might provide an incentive for consumers to go back on more expensive medications when over-the-counter medicine works just fine."</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="74">More than 10 million consumers use HSAs, according to a survey done in January by AHIP. That's up from 8 million in 2009 and 6.1 million in 2008.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="75">According to an analysis by benefits administrator Aon Hewitt of more than 220 employers covering more than 6 million workers, 20 percent of employees, or 1.2 million, contributed to an FSA in 2010. Of those workers, the average annual contribution is $1,441.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" sizset="11" sizcache="231" jQuery1287187065751="76">FSAs and HSAs allow workers to reduce their taxable income to pay for qualified <a href="#" target="_blank"><FONT style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; static: " color=blue><FONT face=""><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; relative: " ="k">health </SPAN><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: arial, sans-serif; COLOR: blue; FONT-SIZE: 14px; FONT-WEIGHT: 400; relative: " ="k">care</SPAN></FONT></FONT></A> or child care expenses. Anyone with a high-deductible medical insurance plan can obtain an HSA. The IRS defined a high-deductible plan in 2010 as $1,200 a year for individuals and $2,400 for families.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="77">FSAs, which were first authorized by Congress in 1978, are only available through employers who offer the plans. But FSAs face another new rule under the Affordable Care Act -- a limit on the pre-tax contributions to $2,500, starting Jan. 1, 2013. There is currently no limit on how much an employee can contribute to FSAs, although employers can impose one.</P><P style="FONT-SIZE: 14px" jQuery1287187065751="78">Lawmakers imposed the cap to help pay for provisions that will expand coverage starting in 2014. The cap is expected to raise $13 billion for other government-provided health care services offered between 2013 and 2019.</P><DIV><a href="http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/15/new-health-care-rules-require-doctors-note-pay-otc-drugs-fsas/" target="_blank">http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/15/new-health-care-rules-require-doctors-note-pay-otc-drugs-fsas/</A>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 3:25pm<br /><br /><P>The exaggerations continue.....the border policy under Obama is actually heightened compared to before.&nbsp; More guards, more surveillance, more dollars.&nbsp; I'm not saying he's responsible for all of that but to say it's more relaxed than under Bush is just incorrect.</P>]]>
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   <title>It&#039;s Starting already with ObamaCare : Didn&amp;#039;t Bush veto the Schip...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 12:24pm<br /><br />Didn't Bush veto the Schip bill because he wanted more of the working poor to be covered at $41k or less in income&nbsp;and the Dems wanted the income limits to be $62K.&nbsp; Then the States were given the power to decide who was covered and they were allowing families living at 250-400% of the FPL to be covered.&nbsp; Hmmmmmmmm. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The Federal Poverty level in 2007 for a family of 4 was $20650.00 so that means a family making about $83000.00 in some states could qualify for SChip.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:24:51 +0000</pubDate>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 12:05pm<br /><br />Funny how you liberals seem to pretend the last two years never happened or ignore the last two years altogether much&nbsp;of the time.&nbsp; I think you Libs live in a time warp or something....zooming around to which ever time span fits your liberal message.&nbsp; I guess nothing has happened in the last 2 years.&nbsp; I guess&nbsp;ObamaCare, Cap &amp; Tax attempt,&nbsp;Ignoring Immigration to the detriment of the states particularly in the south, etc. was all in our imagination....quick someone wake me up....I'm having a nightmare.&nbsp;<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Since you want to compare $1,000,000.00 items I will take 150% on $1,000,000.00 in sales of those .69 tacos and you can have the 2% on the $1,000,000.00 Health care Policy.<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big%20smile" /></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <title>It&#039;s Starting already with ObamaCare : Gee Wasteful wasn&amp;#039;t it our...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=281">rngrmed</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 10:24am<br /><br />Gee Wasteful wasn't it our esteemed President Bush in office during this time that said he would veto any legislation proposed oh Healthcare?&nbsp; Wasn't it Bush that vetoed the SCHIPs that would have provided healthcare for children that live in poverty?&nbsp; <DIV></DIV>I think it was during this time that Mitt Romney (Republican) proposed the same ideas in this healthcare bill.&nbsp; <DIV>And as far as insurance companies raising their premimums...they look for any excuse under the sun to raise their premiums.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>And don't tell me about profit margins of an insurance is only 2% compared to Taco Bell's 150% on a taco.&nbsp; Compare 2% $1,000,000 and 150% on&nbsp;a 0.69 cent taco.&nbsp; Which one will you take?&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <title>It&#039;s Starting already with ObamaCare : Gee Bill it seems to me that Congress...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;15&nbsp;2010 at 2:29am<br /><br />Gee Bill it seems to me that Congress has been controlled by the Democrats for the last 6 years.&nbsp;&nbsp; Also the fact that we finally have a bill. I think it is mostly how the Bill was created in secret and rushed through and&nbsp;against the majorities wishes.&nbsp; We now have Obamacare and will find out&nbsp;all of it's little surprises as we go along, unfortunately.&nbsp;]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 9:15pm<br /><br /><P>Conservatives often criticized Clinton for 9/11 because he didn't do anything about Bin Laden.&nbsp; The same argument could be used in health care.&nbsp; Why hasn't the GOP done a darn thing about the healthcare mess in the last...oh...forever?&nbsp; You wait around until a Democrat finally gets into office and then act shocked, SHOCKED, that legislation would finally come along on the topic.</P>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 7:53pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by wasteful" alt="Originally posted by wasteful" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>wasteful wrote:</strong><br /><br /><H1 ="entry-title">Regence Blue Shield customers notified of skyrocketing rates </H1><P ="fn">by CHRIS INGALLS / KING 5 News</P><SPAN ="source-org vcard"><P ="org fn">NWCN.com</P></SPAN><SPAN id=dateInfo><P title=2010-10-12t05:23:53z ="published dtstamp">Posted on October 12, 2010 at 5:23 PM</P></SPAN><DIV id=fbRecommend><?: prefix = fb /><FB:LIKE width="130" =" fb_edge_widget_with_comment fb__widget" layout="_count" show_faces="false"><SPAN></SPAN></FB:LIKE></DIV><DIV ="entry-"><DIV id=inset></DIV><P><P>Ralph Nilssen's five beautiful kids are about to get more expensive. Regence Blue Shield sent him a letter saying rates are going up - way up.</P><P>Regence put the blame - at least in part - on the new and controversial health care law.</P><P>"Obama care went into effect and my rates went through the roof," said Nilssen.</P><P>In the letter, Regence told Nilssen his $532 monthly premium could nearly triple next year.</P><P>"I just sat back and said you've got to be kidding me," he said.</P><P>"If they're angry and confused - it's easy to understand," said Washington Insurance Commissioner Mike Kreidler, who has fielded more than 100 angry calls since Regence mailed its letter two weeks ago.</P><P>Kreidler says the letter makes it appear that healthcare reform is to blame, when in truth Regence has made a huge policy change that makes premiums for children much more expensive.</P><P>"It has absolutely nothing to do with health care reform.&nbsp; It has a great deal to do with how Regence is rescheduling its business and it would have happened with or without heath care reform," said Kreidler.</P><P><FONT color=#ff0000 size=4><strong><U>Nilssen's current plan, where he pays one rate regardless of the number of children, is being cancelled by Regence. Now he'll have to pay a premium for each child.</U></strong></FONT></P><P>A Regence spokesperson would not appear on camera, but points out that rates for people without children could go down under these new policies.</P><P>More about&nbsp;those rates. They&nbsp;are not set in stone.</P><P>The insurance commissioner isn't sure why Regence mailed them out because they haven't been approved by the insurance commissioner, as required by law.&nbsp;And Kreidler says they won't be until he sees proof that these big premium increases are justified.<BR></P></DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><strong><FONT color=#0000ff size=4>It is about time insurance companies wised up to this Family plan screw job.&nbsp; When a family of 3 pays the same as a family of 7 something is wrong with the system.</FONT></strong></DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3373<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Oct&nbsp;14&nbsp;2010 at 7:50pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by rngrmed" alt="Originally posted by rngrmed" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>rngrmed wrote:</strong><br /><br /><DIV>I think some of these lawsuits are no more than some hot head republican trying to make a name for themselves or trying to bring down the democrat party.&nbsp; How about we talk about solutions???</DIV><DIV>Why shouldn't a person be required to have health insurance?&nbsp;</td></tr></table></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>rng, you are cracking me up with your comment above.&nbsp; The Republican Party had little to do with the current Democratic mess and downfall, except the fact they didn't roll over and play dead for Obama.&nbsp; Obama did just fine on his own bringing down the Democratic party&nbsp;with of course&nbsp;quite a bit of help from Reid and&nbsp;Pelosi.&nbsp; Keep up the good work Obama, Reid and Pelosi what a team.&nbsp;<img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley20.gif" height="17" width="23" border="0" alt="Thumbs%20Up" /></DIV>]]>
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