Middletown Forum : Is It time For A Recall? http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ This is an XML content feed of; Middletown Forum : City Council : Is It time For A Recall? Wed, 07 Oct 2026 13:20:50 +0000 Tue, 02 Nov 2010 11:53:08 +0000 http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Web Wiz Forums 10.12 360 www.middletownusa.com/forum/RSS_post_feed.asp?TID=3394 Middletown Forum http://middletownusa.com/images/blog-logo.jpg http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/ Is It time For A Recall? : Did you get the paperwork for... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22891&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22891 Author: VietVet
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Posted: Nov 02 2010 at 11:53am

Did you get the paperwork for the recall? If so, when/where do we meet to write the petition requirements, pass out the list of registered voters and start walking to get signatures? Or, are we waiting until after the next local election?]]> Tue, 02 Nov 2010 11:53:08 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22891&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22891 Is It time For A Recall? : I would also agree with Wasteful... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22838&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22838 Author: angelababy
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 31 2010 at 10:46pm

I would also agree with Wasteful to do a referendum if it is possible on the Commission and Boards issue.   Kind of lets send a message that we are tired of not being listened to, except when it is convenient for Council and Admin as it was with the Pendleton issue. ]]> Sun, 31 Oct 2010 22:46:45 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22838&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22838 Is It time For A Recall? : Randy- where do we stand on the... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22779&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22779 Author: VietVet
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 29 2010 at 6:59am

Randy- where do we stand on the recall effort? You had contacted the Board Of Elections and talked to McGary. Did she set you up with the details and paperwork needed? OR.......has everyone decided that this is not the right time to push this with elections coming up? Sounds like Mike has some potential folks to consider and we have Spider offering his services. We need more "MUSA" thinking folks to step up.

If the recall/petition route is decided, let me know. I'll take some around in the 3rd Ward as time allows. Need about 1500 signatures as I see it. Any other folks out there that could take some petitions around for registered voter signatures in all sections of the city?

Status??]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:59:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22779&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22779 Is It time For A Recall? : Voice of Reason wrote:... I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22778&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22778 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 29 2010 at 6:00am

Originally posted by Voice of Reason Voice of Reason wrote:

... I trust you'll understand that I know of no others currently willing/able to serve that would necessarily be better in elected office than the current council.  After all, it's usually very difficult to know how a person will perform in elected office until they are elected to said office. ...
"...some men achieve greatness, some men have greatness thrust upon them.”
 
I know several good people who have never considered political office of any kind.  They are intelligent, have clear, logical minds, have no financial interests in the city (other than their homes), but are civic-minded and have only the good of the community at heart.  They are recently retired.  Some have taken part-time work to stay busy.
 
I doubt that ANY of these folks would, left to their own devices, ever consider running for public office.  They are just too unassuming!!!  But who lnows how they might react if approached by a group and asked to step up and serve their community for a couple of years.
 
These are likely just the type of folks that we need at a time like this, and they likely would serve out the recall term and not run for re-election, so their decisions would be for the common good and not political.
]]> Fri, 29 Oct 2010 06:00:17 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22778&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22778 Is It time For A Recall? : The 8424 is not the total number... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22737&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22737 Author: angelababy
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 28 2010 at 1:22am

The 8424 is not the total number of Registered voters in Middletown, it is the Number of Registered voters in Middletown who actually voted in the last election.  ]]> Thu, 28 Oct 2010 01:22:19 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22737&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22737 Is It time For A Recall? : Mike, I am not convinced that... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22692&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22692 Author: Voice of Reason
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 26 2010 at 9:09pm

Mike,
I am not convinced that recall is futile, nor am I convinced recall is the right way to proceed at this time.  That's why I am content to wait for election day next year--I am unswayed either way at this point.  I was pressing for alternative candidates, because, as I tried to say earlier, I try to always be open to new ideas in order to test my current views. 
 
If someone had pulled forth an "aha" candidate that I thought would be an excellent addition to council then I would be much more inclined to sway towards recall.  As it is, nothing much of substance was offered to me so I remain content to wait until next year to voice my opinions.  What you call "agitating" I call getting to the heart of the matter--that is, who would replace the current crop if a recall took place. 
 
As you seem to be a clear thinking and logical person yourself (unlike some on the forum), I trust you'll understand that I know of no others currently willing/able to serve that would necessarily be better in elected office than the current council.  After all, it's usually very difficult to know how a person will perform in elected office until they are elected to said office.  I agree with you that the best government available should be everyone's goal, and by pressing for alternatives to the current council memebers I think I was aiming for exactly that goal. 
]]> Tue, 26 Oct 2010 21:09:32 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22692&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22692 Is It time For A Recall? : VOR: Just a couple of gentle... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22679&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22679 Author: Mike_Presta
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 26 2010 at 5:51am

VOR:

Just a couple of gentle suggestion:

If you are convinced that the recall effort is futile, then let the advocates of same be. Why agitate??? No skin off your nose (unless you have some other agenda).

On the other hand, unless you are convinced that we have the absolute best citizen legislators available perhaps you know of possible candidates that may be willing to come forward in what others see as their “hour of need” and can somehow put them in touch with those seeing the need for a recall. After all, shouldn’t the best government available be everyone’s goal???

]]> Tue, 26 Oct 2010 05:51:57 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22679&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22679 Is It time For A Recall? : Pacman,I never advocated recall... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22668&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22668 Author: Voice of Reason
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 25 2010 at 10:00pm

Pacman, I never advocated recall in the first place--I simply said recall proceedings should wait until other viable candidates are identified. 
 
Thus, I will be on my ass, waiting for the next election day, since ultimately I feel that recall is not warranted at this time, and the next round of elections will serve our purposes just right. 
 
I challenged you to give some names, not for my personal gain, but rather because it is very reasonable to have, as I have said, alternative ideas in place before firing the current lot.  This is prudent in many circumstances, politics and otherwise. 
 
As far as listening to others, you are wrong again--I constantly listen to alternative ideas and conclusions.  I have my basic principles--limited, responsible government; low taxes; free market approach wherever possilb, etc.--and my policy views flow from these basic principles. 
 
I am always willing to listen to alternative viewpoints and it is always good to dissect them and understand their assumptions. 
 
I am always willing to test my own policy views against other views, since in doing so I will either 1) come to the conclusion that I am wrong and I will therefore correct my view or 2) I will re-affirm my own viewpoint if I find unsound reasoning in the alternative viewpoint or principles that support the other idea that I don't agree with. 
 
This is why I was pressing for names and my approach to the recall procedure--I was not in favor of recall but I wanted to consider other viewpoints and alternative candidates. 
]]> Mon, 25 Oct 2010 22:00:36 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22668&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22668 Is It time For A Recall? : Give it a rest VOR, you want to... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22666&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22666 Author: Pacman
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 25 2010 at 9:49pm

Give it a rest VOR, you want to use your approach then get off your ass and do it.  I have clearly stated how I feel about the issue and when the info on how a Recall is to be attempted, if at all, and a meeting decided on I will be there.  You go on and be a one man band and do your thing.  You refuse to listen to anyone other than yourself....and that is your problem not mine.  It is not solely my place to just spout out names to make you happy without 1) consulting others in Middletown and 2) without consulting the prospective people to run as a replacement to see if they are even interested.
 
Also I don't shoot from the hip on matters such as this.  If a group of Middletown Citizens decides that it is prudent to move forward with a recall of one or more current Council Members, then all necessary steps will be taken to attempt a recall including finding suitable replacements, prior to the petition being filed.
 
As far as Obama goes I wasn't naive enough to buy all the crap he was dishing out and while I was no fan of John McCain he was the lesser of two evils in my mind.
]]> Mon, 25 Oct 2010 21:49:02 +0000 http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22666&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22666 Is It time For A Recall? : Pacman, you are delusional. I... http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3394&PID=22664&title=is-it-time-for-a-recall#22664 Author: Voice of Reason
Subject: 3394
Posted: Oct 25 2010 at 9:02pm

Pacman, you are delusional.  I am advocating the measured, considered approach--I am in favor of having alternative plans in place for replacing coucil members before any recall movement would begin. 
 
This is the exact opposite of how you characterize my approach, as "shoot from the hip."  Shooting from the hip is saying "No" to an idea or person without any alternative idea, which is exactly what you are advocating by pushing a recall without any clear alternative candidates.  This is an example of "shoot from the hip" and hope for the best if ever there was. 
 
Here's an example that you could probably understand--a lot of people wanted "anybody but Bush" and so they voted for Obama.  Many of these people now are considerably regretting that decision and are about to reverse course and will vote for Republicans next week.  They, like you, "shot from the hip" and voted for Obama, mostly just to get rid of Bush, without fully understanding what the man was like. 
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