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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;12&nbsp;2010 at 11:07am<br /><br />Storm- your daddy was a very observant, intelligent person who hit the nail on the head with his take on what's happened in this town. He is right. The good leaders who really cared for this town died off/retired and left and the new wanna-be/no ties to the city/could care less about the city airheads, void of any common sense at all, became firmly entrenched in running this town into the ground. Hence, we see what we see today. ]]>
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   <title>The next big thing! :   Voice of Reason wrote:  In...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=656">Storm Ahead</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;12&nbsp;2010 at 9:25am<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Voice of Reason" alt="Originally posted by Voice of Reason" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Voice of Reason wrote:</strong><br /><br /><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In closing, I will say I am skeptical of things like this, that some dunce(s) on city council will be duped by some "investor" with grand plans for some enterprise in Middletown, <strong>but in this case there seems to have been some<FONT color=#ff0000 size=3><EM><U> vetting </U></EM></FONT>and there is something of a proven track record of success</strong>.&nbsp; Again, time will tell.&nbsp; </DIV></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV><P><FONT size=2>To <I>vet</I> was originally a </FONT><a href="/wiki/Horse-racing" target="_blank"><FONT color=#0645ad size=2>horse-racing</FONT></A><FONT size=2> term, referring to the requirement that a horse be checked for health and soundness by a </FONT><a href="/wiki/Veterinarian" target="_blank"><FONT color=#0645ad size=2>veterinarian</FONT></A><FONT size=2> before being allowed to race. Thus, it has taken the general meaning "to check."</FONT></P><P><FONT size=3><FONT size=2>It is a figurative contraction of veterinarian which originated in the mid-17th century. The colloquial abbreviation dates to the 1860s; the verb form of the word, meaning "to treat an animal," came a few decades later—according to the Oxford English Dictionary the earliest known usage is 1891—and was applied primarily in a horse-racing context. ("He vetted the stallion before the race," "You should vet that horse before he races," etc.) By the early 1900s, vet had begun to be used as a synonym for evaluate, especially in the context of searching for flaws.</FONT> </FONT><a href="#cite_note-0" target="_blank"><FONT color=#0645ad><FONT size=3><SUP><SPAN>&#091;</SPAN>1<SPAN>&#093;</SPAN></SUP></FONT></FONT></A><SUP>&nbsp;</SUP>Wikipedia</P><DIV><FONT size=4><SUP>I think we'd be better off if we let our veterinarians do our <FONT color=#ff0000>vetting</FONT>. My daddy says it's been the same old group in Middletown forever, and as the good ones died off, they were replaced by elite wanna-bes, who have served their own egos and pocket-books. Look at their track record. They hand-picked their boys and gurls for commissions and councils. Daddy&nbsp;says the requirement was that they look good and do as they were told. There are no Verity's left in Middletown. </SUP></FONT></DIV><DIV><SUP><FONT size=4></FONT></SUP>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=4><strong>All I know is I want the local schools to give my children a solid education! Vet that!</strong></FONT></DIV></DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 09:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>The next big thing! : VOR- I&amp;#039;d like to respond...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;11&nbsp;2010 at 7:27am<br /><br />VOR- I'd like to respond to some of your observations concerning Middletown. <br /><br />The most recent property evaluation by the county auditor revealed a drop in my property value of approx. 20% in the last 5 years. Not close to 50% as you say acclaro has cited. Perhaps there are properties in Midd. that have dropped in value by that much. Don't know.<br /><br />You accurately mention the fact that the Sorgs and AK's won't be coming back. Not coming back to any town. Steel and paper have gone to China. They occupy the leader position in these disciplines and have for 10+ years. Black Clawson, a paper machine manufacturer to the paper companies saw the US market dry up in early 2000's. Now, their main customers are the Chinese, who are building new papermills. I worked for Black Clawson back then and know first hand how the customer base vanished in the US for them. I would like to see Robinette and his Econ. Dev. Department go after some communications companies. How about some fiber optics, corporate research and development centers, corporate warehousing operations, software manufacturers, electronics manufacturing, anything lighter than steel or paper. The emphasis for the Midd. city government should be to provide job opportunities to its residents. It has failed miserably in the last 30 years to supplant the loss of paper and steel in this town. Not only have they not kept pace with the companies closing or moving elsewhere, it appears they haven't even given it much effort at all. JMO<br /><br />There are many good ideas interspersed within these pages. It will take some searches as they are not concentrated in one area. As expected, the locations of these town-improving ideas are tied to the topic of interest. Pick a topic and you will usually find some solutions attached somewhere in these posts. <br /><br />Most of us probably realize that to entice a potential employer here, concessions must be made. We must practically give away the land, give tax breaks for years in advance, wine and dine them and basically kiss their behind to overcome the competition. I just wonder how often this has occured in the last 30 years. From what I have seen over the last 30 years, its always the "other towns" that have lured the new employer to town with no indication that the Middletown gov. people were even aware they were in the area to look, much less being in the running to land them. I question Robinette's Econ. Dev. department's effort compared to the surrounding area's econ. dev. Midd. just doesn't seem to be as aggresive in its pursuit of new employment and seems content to keep it "business as usual" around here. JMO<br /><br />I would have felt a little more "giddy" if the new kid on the block was an electronic manufacturer rather than an arts center to locate here. I see much more potential in the electronics manufacturer producing viable opportunitites and money flow to this town than I do anything an arts center could provide. Coffee shops? Surrounding restaurants? They pay little (with little to no benefits package) compared to a decent manufacturing job. I don't understand why council and the city leaders don't want to provide decent job opportunities to the citizens of this community? No effort at all on their part to even try as if jobs, money flow, payroll/corporate taxes aren't important revenue for the city.  <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley5.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> Too much concentration on fed money revenue from handout programs than to do it the right way with revenue from company/worker taxes. Apparently easier to get revenue by soliciting gov. funds taking on gov. programs no one else wants for their cities than to make an effort to attract jobs like most other towns do. ]]>
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   <title>The next big thing! : And Acclaro, to your other points...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=697">Voice of Reason</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;10&nbsp;2010 at 10:06pm<br /><br />And Acclaro, to your other points about the airport and golf course--if the city kept these or sold these, it wouldn't make a great deal of difference to the well-being of the city.&nbsp; So to me, they can keep them (at some cost to the budget, no doubt, but a small portion of the budget) or sell them.&nbsp; Whatever.&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As far as the schools go--I agree with you here, a school district's performance has a major impact on where a family decides to make a home.&nbsp; But what control does city council have over that?&nbsp; I have my problems with Middletown city schools to be sure, but that is a whole other issue unto itself.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Also, to VietVet's question about cutting city employees in general, in addition to firefighters--this was an oversight on my part.&nbsp; It would be my idea to apply the same principle to city bureaucrats as the police/fire employees:&nbsp;employ fewer, but well-compensated employees and you'll get the most bang for your buck.&nbsp; The total city payroll can and ought to go down.&nbsp; There is nothing wrong with having well-compensated city employees that add value to the city's services, but of course there is something wrong with having too many well-compensated city employees.&nbsp;&nbsp;I will agree with anyone who says that cuts ought to be made to the city bureaucracy, it's just a matter of where and how much, exactly.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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   <title>The next big thing! : Acclaro,  You cite 50% reduction...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=697">Voice of Reason</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;10&nbsp;2010 at 9:59pm<br /><br />Acclaro,<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>You cite 50% reduction in home property values around Middletown--what is your source on this?&nbsp; I still maintain that home values have dropped substantially all over the country and that Middletown is likely in the middle of the pack with regard to this fact.&nbsp; See Stockton, CA, for instance.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I neglect to mention the problems with the city have been around for decades--what are you talking about?!?&nbsp; Did you read what I posted here?&nbsp; Didn't I offer up the point that many of the problems that Middletown has been facing were decades in the making, and that it isn't appropriate to blame the current council for all the problems facing Middletown?&nbsp; Re-read my previous two posts in this topic if you don't believe me--this point is right there in front of you. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As far as your low/no tax argument--I seem to recall reading an article in the Journal (so taken with a grain of salt, of course) that Middletown's income tax rate is 1.75% or 1.50%, which is less than some local areas but more than others--I believe that Dayton and Moraine were at 2.00%, Franklin and Miamisburg may have been at 1.50% or 1.25% or so (and Franklin was voting to raise theirs). &nbsp;I simply don't believe the fact that 25 basis points makes a difference on where to locate a business.&nbsp; The labor base has much more to do with this, and Mason and West Chester's higher proportion of college graduates greatly enhances their attractiveness to employers.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And if you want some basic city services like police, fire, road re-paving, etc., some nominal income tax <strong><EM>can</EM></strong> be somewhat in terms of improving the infrastructure.&nbsp; And I say that with the firm belief that it is government's job to keep taxes competitively low across the board.&nbsp; And I will press the point further--what tax rates exactly are you comparing?&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>And I don't believe that I said there were no ideas on this forum--but please point them out to me, as I am relatively new and I will admit to being unaware of these ideas.&nbsp; Where are these good ideas for improving Middletown?&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As far as some other items go, like locking up the Cincy State deal, everyone who reads this let me be clear--I am not sure of any details about it other than what I've read in the paper and on this forum.&nbsp; But it should be very obvious to everyone that opportunities like this don't come along very often, if ever again, really, so the city must be aggressive in closing the deal.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Here's another piece of "news" for all of you--the city must compete with other cities to land deals like this, and offering incentives and tax breaks, loans, grants, etc., are part of the battle being waged with other cities.&nbsp; So if you oppose this deal, please tell me--how exactly will it happen that any other potentially large deals will come our way again?&nbsp; What company or institution today would be so close to establishing a major presence in Middletown as Cincinnati State?&nbsp; America's days aggressive growth in manufacturing industries (the way that Middletown grew up as a city) are behind us and a new service-based and information-based economy is behind us.&nbsp; I am very much a pro-manufacturing sort of person, since manufacturing companies tend to pay well and greatly support a local economy, but the reality is that there will be no more Armcos or Sorg Papers setting up shop in MIddletown any time soon, if ever again.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Those of you who oppose this deal are simply&nbsp;standing on the sidelines waiting for&nbsp;something magical to happen that just won't.&nbsp; The city must take risks, it must be willing to compete for jobs and do what is necessary to land deals like this, because I assure you there won't be another one like it for quite a while.&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;08&nbsp;2010 at 4:09am<br /><br />Thank you, Vet and Paul.<DIV>Yes, I have been out of town consulting with Leonardo about our city's troubles, and I am happy to report that I will be back shortly with a brilliant new plan to cure all of our ills.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Please be patient.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 6:51am<br /><br />Thank you, Vet. Mike Presta is out of town but I've talked to him twice and he is up on everything and will be rarin' to go as soon as he gets back.<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pn</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=114">VietVet</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 6:29am<br /><br />Dead Man- Mr. Nagy posted that Mr. Presta was out of town.]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=606">Dead man walkin'</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 10:17pm<br /><br />Where's Mike Presta been and why hasn't he commented on any of the events of the past week or so?&nbsp; Not a word on the budget crises, or the sewer/EPA, or the Cincy st. matter.&nbsp;&nbsp;Don't tell me&nbsp;that some city big shot offered him enough for his house to shut im up, and he sold out the regular citizens of Middletown.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>They say that everyone has their price, so was&nbsp;his the 1998 cost of his house? </DIV><DIV>Sad.&nbsp; I wouldnt have believed it.</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=314">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3406<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;05&nbsp;2010 at 10:30am<br /><br />It was my understanding that the old Bank One building has a major mold issue.&nbsp; If this is the case who would be resposible for the clean up?&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>I completely agree this is a bailout for the the Thatcher family, would be nice if they would help&nbsp;bail out some of the homes in foreclosure before they get to the point of no return.&nbsp; It is really hurting the property values in Middletown.&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV>]]>
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