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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Public Safety should have been...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=655">angelababy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;09&nbsp;2010 at 9:45pm<br /><br />Public Safety should have been dealt with years ago, rather than let the 3+ % raises continually pile up, especially now when most people are lucky to even get 1%.&nbsp; ]]>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : One slight correction!!! City...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=101">Mike_Presta</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;08&nbsp;2010 at 4:00am<br /><br />One slight correction!!!&nbsp; City employees have NOT been "denied raises"!!!<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Would someone please list the NAMES of all city employees who are making exactly the SAME rate of pay now that they were back when they supposedly had their salaries "frozen" a few years back???</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>ANYONE???</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Pac,  If they only give us lip...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 9:22am<br /><br />Pac,<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; If they only give us lip service this time we will have a financial catastrophe. Since the majority of them don't live in the city they will walk away and leave us to live with and clean up the mess. Let's hope and pray that they will use some integrity and straigthen our mess up <U>now</U>.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thanks for your observations.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pn</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:22:33 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : I have lived here for 7 years...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 9:17am<br /><br />I have lived here for 7 years Paul and all the different City Councils and Admins have done in those 7 years is talk about it.&nbsp; There has been little to no action other than taking the situation out on Non-Union employees by laying them off or denying them any raise or a minimal one, while the Public Safety unions have had free rein of the General Fund for those years.&nbsp; Action needs to be taken and I am not talking about lip service, which is all we get out of most of the Council even today.]]>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Pac,  You&amp;#039;ve got me there....</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 9:12am<br /><br />Pac,<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You've got me there. You are absolutely right. The thing about it is we talked about it just as strong back then but it fell on deaf ears.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; pn</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><FONT size=2><P></P></FONT><FONT size=2></DIV></FONT>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 09:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Paul I agree with most of what...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 8:51am<br /><br />Paul I agree with most of what you say with the exception of one thing. The time to tackle these issues was 5 years ago before we got into the dire straights we are in now.&nbsp; Public Safety should have been dealt with years ago, rather than let the 3+ % raises continually pile up, especially now when most people are lucky to even get 1%.&nbsp; Same with HealthCare and other issues.]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems :   &amp;#034;We are talking trying...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;07&nbsp;2010 at 8:38am<br /><br />&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; "We are talking trying to save significant $$ for a town that has no $$ to waste."</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bill</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Bill, </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You have hit the nail squarely on the head. Saving significant dollars for a town that has no dollars to waste is seriously demonstrated by the conversations at council last Tuesday night. "A 1.1 million dollar deficit talked down to $750,000, a potential 128 million dollars for Epa compliance over a number of years with threatened $1200 a&nbsp;year&nbsp;water and sewer bills, $250,000 to $400,000 for the Verdin deal, 10 to 15 million dollars for the Central State proposal, the police and fire chief saying they can't cut one penny, the enormous costs for public safety, etc.. I'm all for the Central State proposal and I'll tell you why another time. But pretty soon you get to thinking that someday we will run out of money and bonds and public safety and infrastructure repair, etc.. Folks, its time to get serious and do like Bill Becker says, "find another way". Bill Becker in my opinion knows more about the City of Middletown than anyone else I know. Whether he's talking about infrastructure, public safety or what ever, I want to always hear everything he's got to say. Not that I always agree with him.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Please everyone,&nbsp;think through the importance of privatizing and voice your opinion here and at City Council. Its past time.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Thank you.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul Nagy</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sun, 07 Nov 2010 08:38:07 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : It is amazing the lengths that...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=483">Bill</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 1:47pm<br /><br />It is amazing the lengths that public employees, be it teachers unions or city admin, go to in order to avoid losing a few jobs.&nbsp; Remember the teeth-grinding last year when the city had to let a few people go?&nbsp; You'd think Judy herself shot their pet or something. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Who cares if a few people in the water/sewer dept get&nbsp;"downsized."&nbsp; No one cries for us in the private sector when some big employer swats away dozens of jobs like flies at a picnic. </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>We are talking trying to save significant $$ for a town that has no $$ to waste.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 06 Nov 2010 13:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Hello Pac,   I hope you are feeling...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=213">Paul Nagy</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 11:34am<br /><br />Hello Pac, <DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I hope you are feeling better these days.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Many cities that have privatized have been able to have the professional water/sewer operators negotiate the EPA conditions and prices way down. That is the result of their great, efficient expertise in these operations and probably their relationship with the EPA . I'm certain it would cost far less than what we are being told. Also, they have a vested interest to make certain it is cheaper. That , to me, is one of the great reasons I am interested in privatization. At a later date I intend to provide more detailed info and names of cities that have been more than satisfied by privatizing and the positive results of their dealing with both the State and Federal EPA. I'm also convinced that the combined sewer issue would be routine and they would be more efficient in streamlining the process if it is indeed necessary.&nbsp; It is exactly those kind of issues that make privatization more desireable than the city operating the systems.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Thanks for the inquiry.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Paul Nagy</DIV>]]>
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   <title>Privatizing Our Water And Sewer Systems : Mr. Nagy how would Privatizing...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3441<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Nov&nbsp;06&nbsp;2010 at 11:07am<br /><br />Mr. Nagy how would Privatizing the Water &amp; Sewer Dept. affect the Combined Sewer issue and the Hundreds of Millions of dollars the EPA wants for the new system?&nbsp; Would not the Citizens still be on the hook for the Millions needed to fix these issues?]]>
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