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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member :   spiderjohn wrote:  The retail/restaurant/professional...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=128">swohio75</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;19&nbsp;2010 at 2:15pm<br /><br /> <table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by spiderjohn" alt="Originally posted by spiderjohn" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>spiderjohn wrote:</strong><br /><br /><br /><div> The retail/restaurant/professional void has become a serious "quality of life" issue to those still choosing to reside here.</div><br /></td></tr></table> <br /><br /> <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley32.gif" border="0" align="middle" /> <br /><br />bingo]]>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : Wasteful, I am not certain I understand...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;18&nbsp;2010 at 10:21am<br /><br />Wasteful, I am not certain I understand your premise/ hypothesis. Are you saying it is less of a problem to take $1.1 Mm in expenditures for PACand Cincinnati State, and the estimated $15 Mm for renovation fees, over the hole that is a crater, which is $120 Mm for neglected infrastructure? Perhaps AJ Smith and others, could have gotten $120 Mm in Obama's&nbsp;"stimulus" funds for sewers and streets. The figures you are using are also dated, that was anout 3 years ago. Oil and other natural products going into asphalpt has risen significantly on the spot market, and i'd project the new estimates are &gt; $165 Mm and rising.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>So, you are&nbsp;suggesting the street and sewer lack of oversight and preventive maintenance has caused a $150 Mm&nbsp;problem, therefore greater than a $16.1 Mm ependiture than the buildings and renovations? Okay, I'll conced that point.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Memo to Vivian Moon: use the cities own figures for lack of maintenance for streets and infrastruture which reflects the city hasn't maintained its own infrasrructure, which the voters did approve in the late 1980's, but they do have an obligation under the Ohio statute to maintain the cemetary. Better be pulling up some case law on that ordinanceas well. "Reasonble" has a distinct interpetation- an escape clause which puts your effort on a very slippery slope, and Mr. Wills.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>In summary, its a mad city; its a made world.&nbsp;I state the lack of anyone putting pressure on the city to rescind the ordinance allowing the city to spend money on themselves, including salaries, is what destroyed Middletown, as well as fool-hardy decision making wasteful, HUD, others, just part of that problem called ineffective leadership and lack of vision.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N3N1MlvVc4</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 10:21:04 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : acclaro, when you are talking...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=358">wasteful</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;18&nbsp;2010 at 9:42am<br /><br />acclaro, when you are talking about&nbsp;the fact that the city is in need of over $100 million&nbsp;just for road repairs etc and another $15-21 Million just to tear down the dilapitated homes, I would say PAC is the least of the cities problems. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Much of Middletown's problems can be tied back to HUD and their programs and the Cities lack of understanding what they have done to this town with little regard for the outcome.&nbsp; Now we can all be Politically correct and deny the problems but they are there and it appears that they are not going to be resolved anytime soon.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Personally I'll take a $1.1 Million, including the building,&nbsp;PAC problem over a $120 million infrastructure&nbsp;problem any day of the week.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Sat, 18 Dec 2010 09:42:08 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : NSP is the least of the problems...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=334">acclaro</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 6:17pm<br /><br />NSP is the least of the problems in Middletown. Funds drying up. Desperate "hail mary's" on PAC, Cincinnati State, others. Moving day for CS&amp; H. I'm sending out my SOS.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV><a href="http://youtu.be/6zXwaqJgRV8" target="_blank">http://youtu.be/6zXwaqJgRV8</A></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 18:17:13 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : Bobbie I have read the NSP info...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 5:22pm<br /><br />Bobbie I have read the NSP info on the city Web site a number of times&nbsp;and I am well aware of what it is.&nbsp; I agree it is a waste of funds in Middletown with only $2.144 Million.&nbsp; Why the plan has been changed I don't know.&nbsp; But the current plan has been approved by HUD and follows HUD guidelines.&nbsp; The fact that the city went in a different direction than Nelson wanted is immaterial and their prerogative since he is no longer employed by the City. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Personally I think they should have taken the money and torn down about 300-400 homes, they would have gotten a bigger bang for the buck but that is a nono with HUD.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The way HUD operates,&nbsp;their funds come with&nbsp;far to many&nbsp;strings attached.&nbsp; I am no fan of taking these small amounts from HUD period.&nbsp; This city needs in the 10's of Millions of dollars now not over the next 25 years.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>That being said I have no problem with the city buying middle income housing and selling them to families that make 120% of the Median income for the area.&nbsp; I much prefer that than buying 50 houses and selling them to families making 50% of median income.&nbsp; Who is more likely to make a go of it a family making $80-85,000.00 or one making $30,000.00.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Just exactly what has happened to the last programs that the city instituted selling the homes cheaply.&nbsp; The $1.00 program etc.&nbsp;&nbsp;Are any of the original buyers in those homes still?&nbsp;&nbsp;Have any of those homes gone into foreclosure?&nbsp; Have any been abandoned?</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>The current plan buys both types of homes and not just homes for low income families, I see no issue with that when HUD is basically pulling the strings.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 17:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member :      Ok Bobbie explain NSP...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=314">Bobbie</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 4:19pm<br /><br />&#091;. <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>&#091;/QUOTE&#093; <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Ok Bobbie explain NSP and tell us how it is being wasted in Middletown currently.&nbsp; Spare us the $2.144 is going to save the Real Estate Market as we are all smart enough to know that isn't going to happen.</DIV>&#091;/QUOTE&#093; <DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Sorry Pacman - missed that you had asked me this question.&nbsp; NSP - Neighborhood Stabilization Program - to help communities that have been severly damaged from Foreclosure.&nbsp; That is your brief definition.&nbsp; I have never said the 2.144 million would save Middletown, as a matter of fact I was never a fan of the program.&nbsp; But 11 homes will never stabilize the community - only jobs will - and that is&nbsp;a recovery that will take time.&nbsp; The city has not followed what their plan was - which is a big waste of money.&nbsp; Nor did they take into consideration any suggestions (from Mr Self or anyone else) on how these funds could better provide for the community within the quidelines for what the money could be spent on.</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>As a matter of fact is it not a waste of money to have a plan approved - then pay a consultant to draft another plan.&nbsp; You know, the one they are not following - but paid for.&nbsp; </DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 16:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member :   Eleven wrote: It alsotakes...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=14">Pacman</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 3:33pm<br /><br /><table width="99%"><tr><td class="BBquote"><img src="forum_images/quote_box.png" title="Originally posted by Eleven" alt="Originally posted by Eleven" style="vertical-align: text-bottom;" /> <strong>Eleven wrote:</strong><br /><br /><P>&nbsp;It also&nbsp;takes a&nbsp;little backbone&nbsp;to say somethings to peoples faces and not from behind a computer screen.</P></td></tr></table> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>Yes, Eleven for some it may take a backbone, but for others in this city it depends on what you have to lose.&nbsp; Just ask ole Spider about his experience with many of the people in town who think everything is wonderful and what has happened to him and he has lived here all of his life and is a far bigger business person in this town than I am.&nbsp; I have been warned over and over to be leary of ever identifying myself in Public.<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><DIV>Eleven, that is a mighty strange first or last name, are you by chance looking for a backbone.</DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 15:33:17 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : Sorry to interrupt but back to...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=627">Eleven</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 2:21pm<br /><br /><P>Sorry to interrupt but back to thread topic..</P><DIV>Very sorry to hear that she will not be posting here anymore. Yes, it takes a thick skin to be a politician. But you know what? It also&nbsp;takes a&nbsp;little backbone&nbsp;to say somethings to peoples faces and not from behind a computer screen.</DIV><DIV>ASJ- while I was disappointed in your involvement and lack of involvement in the "Union City Council Meeting" I want you to know I am satisfied in most of your actions. Please keep asking questions and bringing things to light for the public. A lot of residents do support you. Thank you for your service </DIV>]]>
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   <pubDate>Fri, 17 Dec 2010 14:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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   <title>Conversation With a Council Member : Problem is Spider.....most of...</title>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=488">What A City</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 7:31am<br /><br />Problem is Spider.....most of the people in that huge crowd listening to the Youngbloods, wanting harmony and peace among people. all grew up, went into corporate America management, city, state and federal governments, politics and other "people screwing" capacities after college, and became what they once distrusted/ despised. &nbsp;Most of the "radical, protesting, anti-government, don't trust anyone over 30" crowd of the sixties ended up just like the ones they once hated. In the end, this song had no long lasting effect on the generation it was suppose to apply to.&nbsp; The friends I had in the 60's all went off to college, got a degree, went to work for the man, obtained some type of authority position and became the power-hungry , suburb living, country clubbing , BMW driving snots they once threw rocks at. All of the defiance left after this time period. Now, we have sheep who follow like some of the posters here, who believe Gilleland's crew telling them everything is alright in the world. <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV>Their politics changed also. They went from liberal, protesting anti- government radicals to conservative party line thinking and now abhor the people who are like them before they got "conservative religion" <img src="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/smileys/smiley4.gif" height="17" width="17" border="0" alt="Big%20smile" />&nbsp;JMO</DIV>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<strong>Author:</strong> <a href="http://www.middletownusa.com/forum/member_profile.asp?PF=18">spiderjohn</a><br /><strong>Subject:</strong> 3535<br /><strong>Posted:</strong> Dec&nbsp;17&nbsp;2010 at 7:06am<br /><br /><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WybIhLJjlTY" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WybIhLJjlTY</A> <DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV><DIV></DIV>&nbsp; <DIV><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qLqh8ilxM&amp;feature=related" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0qLqh8ilxM&amp;feature=related</A></DIV>]]>
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